Rules of Scamming?

[Frankie]

Option 1
Keep scamming legal.

-Any scam involving the following will be reversed:

• Using exploits/glitches to scam
• Using rights (or lying about them) in a business to scam
• Using rights (or lying about them) in a gang to scam
• Using an ET/FAQ tag to scam

Anything else is fair game.
*This list can be modified at any time needed
*Scamming admins will be legal

Option 2 (as stated by Tig)
Make scamming illegal.

*When reporting a scam, we will not be able to guarantee your items/money back. We can promise that a reasonable amount of effort will be made to retrieve your stolen possessions. This is because once your items/money are in someone else's hands, they have the ability to do anything with it. It can get to the point where there are so many different trades that need to be reversed and nothing can be done about it.

Anyone caught scamming will be given a minimum of an hour jail time, no matter if the items/money are returned or not. If they receive multiple jail sentences for scamming, they will then be given a 7 day ban. Further infractions involving scamming can and will result in higher ban time.

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Please vote wisely. Although making scamming illegal sounds like a good plan, we have to be real here. Things can get extremely complicated and we just can not do anything about it. I don't want people voting option 2 without knowing the full plan.

[xAzerothx]

****ing stupid giving scammed staff members their items back but not the players. The reason Era's so successful......

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Frankie

-Any scam involving the following will be reversed:

• Scamming an admin

That's got be the biggest piece of **** rule I've ever heard. The argument for scamming to remain legal on Era is that people get scammed because they're stupid. That includes Admins, it's their own fault they got scammed.

[Frankie]

It's a privilege of being an admin. It's not stupid at all.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Frankie

It's a privilege of being an admin. It's not stupid at all.

So being staff makes up for you being idiot? Wow, that's a great privilege alright. Or, a better idea: Why hire admins stupid enough to get scammed?

[Frankie]

It's not so much that they are stupid enough to get scammed. Admins know that if they are scammed they can get the scam reversed. I'm sure if we made it legal to scam admins, none of us would be getting scammed :P Don't insult our intelligence, thanks.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Don't insult our intelligence, thanks.

I will, because that's the case for scamming: Stupid people deserve to get scammed.

If the admins can turn around and reverse a scam on themselves, why can't they go out and do the same for other players?

[xAzerothx]

Originally Posted by kia345

I will, because that's the case for scamming: Stupid people deserve to get scammed.

If the admins can turn around and reverse a scam on themselves, why can't they go out and do the same for other players?

This. ^

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by kia345

why can't they go out and do the same for other players?

that's pretty much what option 2 is saying. I made this poll willing to change the rules. I can argue both sides, that's the thing.

if you don't agree with option 1, then don't vote for it.

[Frankie]

okay. changed it. if scamming is going to be legal, scamming admins will be fair game. the other points though I think we can agree is reasonable.

[knightfire35]

I would say leave it how it is, you don't want to make players mad for the sake of a few people. The way I see it, if you get scammed it's your fault. I personally have not been scammed.

[Nataxo]

i think Era will lose popularity if scamming gets illegal...

[Frankie]

it's an effort to make the community a bit better.

[xAzerothx]

I'm ok with scamming being legal but staff should not get special treatment because they're ignornant.

[kia345]

It should be either completely illegal, even on staff, or completely legal. Don't blur the line at admins.