Forest Council

[ReBorn_Spirit]

The start of the Forest Council. A busy day it was, the Reine, Lasaria, asking her Royal Advisor, Dayaa, and another member, Axen, to go to a secluded building. It was an undisclosed building, which wouldn't be disturbed by others. Dayaa and Axen were uncertain of the days fate. All that could be done was wait for Lasaria's next words.

The first matter of business was Axen's promotion. Axen was the new Paladin of Forest! Forest only has one Paladin at a time, the Paladin of Forest leads the entire Human Religion faction. This was quite a promotion, though well deserved. Lasaria then notified Dayaa that they would be members of the new Council. The Council is made up of the single leader of each class, in addition to the Vyr Tylor (Royal Advisor). This was the beginning of the First meeting of The Council.

The second matter of business, was to pick the new leader of the Human Defenders. To all three council members, there was one obvious choice. Mydia, who had recently rejoined the Forest from Samurai, and had all the necessary leadership experience. She had also proven her desire to help the Forest when she gave up her position of Empress of Samurai just to join. Mydia was then summoned and notified of the news, the Council was beginning to grow.

Lasaria then notified the Council that the rest of the Council would be decided upon before the end of the new week, and told them of only a few things that would be in planning for the near future. There is a lot ahead of the Forest, and it all looks positive!

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

The start of the Forest Council. A busy day it was, the Reine, Lasaria, asking her Royal Advisor, Dayaa, and another member, Axen, to go to a secluded building. It was an undisclosed building, which wouldn't be disturbed by others. Dayaa and Axen were uncertain of the days fate. All that could be done was wait for Lasaria's next words.

The first matter of business was Axen's promotion. Axen was the new Paladin of Forest! Forest only has one Paladin at a time, the Paladin of Forest leads the entire Human Religion faction. This was quite a promotion, though well deserved. Lasaria then notified Dayaa that they would be members of the new Council. The Council is made up of the single leader of each class, in addition to the Vyr Tylor (Royal Advisor). This was the beginning of the First meeting of The Council.

The second matter of business, was to pick the new leader of the Human Defenders. To all three council members, there was one obvious choice. Mydia, who had recently rejoined the Forest from Samurai, and had all the necessary leadership experience. She had also proven her desire to help the Forest when she gave up her position of Empress of Samurai just to join. Mydia was then summoned and notified of the news, the Council was beginning to grow.

Lasaria then notified the Council that the rest of the Council would be decided upon before the end of the new week, and told them of only a few things that would be in planning for the near future. There is a lot ahead of the Forest, and it all looks positive!

...The Title of Paladin was not meant to pass hands; not even to one such as Axen.

Edit: "Single Leader in each class". I expect Kyden to be on this council then, too.

[AlaricoMontario]

Hmm.. I may stay on then... seeing as Forest is finally making progress (No offense meant, at ALL)

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

Hmm.. I may stay on then... seeing as Forest is finally making progress (No offense meant, at ALL)

I wouldn't call this progress, per se. The council is just the people who were ALREADY in power saying that they're in power, ne?

[StrykerTFFD]

I'll wait to see who is "chosen" to either laugh, cry, or nod in agreement.

[Zurkiba]

Technically the Human nation shouldn't be under the jurisdiction of the Elf nation o.o

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Technically the Human nation shouldn't be under the jurisdiction of the Elf nation o.o

Going by your maps, this would be true.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Going by your maps, this would be true.

It's the government in general...
Each race is it's own nation, unless annexed by another. There are countless races within the Forest who have one vote in the Racial Council. The current Forest is Elf only because we tried to different races but there weren't enough people. So we decided to localise it all.

However, it would be entirely logical that the elf nation took the human nation over after the Astri incident. There wouldn't be a need to trust humans, however they were forgiven for their past misdeeds as the Forest holds no grudges.

As for the Paladin Rank - The Paladins were the leaders of the human communities. It started off with two Paladins- Discharge and Excalibur. They brought human settlers to the Forest and were accepted. However it's been about 100 years since then, so things change.

[AlaricoMontario]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I wouldn't call this progress, per se. The council is just the people who were ALREADY in power saying that they're in power, ne?

i wo uld call it progress, considering that instead of continuing ceaseless rambling worthy of Ents ((I washed LoTR last night :P)), they have taken action.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

i wo uld call it progress, considering that instead of continuing ceaseless rambling worthy of Ents ((I washed LoTR last night :P)), they have taken action.

Wow, that was incoherent. And they haven't taken action. They've given someone a slightly incorrect promotion (right person, wrong rank) and basically said that the people in power are in power. Big whoop.

[AlaricoMontario]

Yes, I do agree they need to allow some lower ranks in, however you cannot deny that it is not progress. And if I recall you are the one who left Lasaria in power, after telling Kyden he would take the throne, so huffing and puffing really isn't your place I do not believe.

And Kyden does all he can for the Magi.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

Yes, I do agree they need to allow some lower ranks in, however you cannot deny that it is not progress. And if I recall you are the one who left Lasaria in power, after telling Kyden he would take the throne, so huffing and puffing really isn't your place I do not believe.

And Kyden does all he can for the Magi.

Uncalled for.

And I'm one to say this isn't progress either. Unless the Council Members are as Gryffon said, people already in power, then we're going to see some very strange promotions coming up, which is always a bad thing.

I am a bit disturbed about Mydia...but I won't go into that.

[Xeph0ria]

Kyden is, of course, part of this council. Coincidentally, he was not online during the meeting, and was unfortunately (and surely accidentally) left out of the story.

As for the "wrong rank," what would you suggest? Axen is/was a member of Human Religion.

As for Kyden being "promised the throne," I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is true, it's bogus. I had been the 2nd in charge of the kingdom for way too long, and DO know what I'm doing, I also apologize for it taking so long.

However, it is not the people "already in power saying they're in power." There are many nations that do not currently have leaders, and it is the council's first duty to select who those new leaders will be (well, obviously, i'll be involved in deciding who gets the ranks too). And even if it WAS people in power saying they're in power, at least now there is some sort of organization to it that ensures people are 1. doing what they need to be doing within their nations, and 2. talking about what is happening/what will happen, making joint decisions with each other and myself.

This brings up the topic of Mydia. I was holding off on promoting a leader for the Human Defenders, I was going to wait and watch longer, but when I brought it up with Axen, he agreed with me that Mydia was the best choice for the rank. This meant something to me because Axen has always been one of the most critical people about my promotions and my decisions, alongside Kyden (though I rarely see Kyden on at the same time as myself, not that I doubt he's active). Mydia has definately proven her ability to lead, and has pledged herself to hold regular training sessions, both in groups, and with members, individually. EDIT: ((Though Axen DID warn me that people would misinterpret the promotion and believe it to be for the wrong reasons and fall into a group mentality rather than think it through and think about her leadership successes.))

Of course though, regardless of the decision I would have made, most of the same people would have backed me up and most of the same people would have been against it, it's how it always goes. Not everyone is blind, but most are.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

As for the "wrong rank," what would you suggest? Axen is/was a member of Human Religion.

Ah, but the Paladin was not the leader of Religion. There never WAS a head. Why would an order of Priests take their commands from a heathen Shaman, as the GUI leads us to believe? Forest, IC, dosen't have a nice chart that says "You are here" socially. The fact that the Paladin was at the top of the branch of Human Religion reflects only that they were the most respected Religious figure, not actually the head of religion. If your aim was to give Axen the rank of "Head of Religion", you gave him the incorrect rank. A new rank should have been established. Que sera.

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

As for Kyden being "promised the throne," I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is true, it's bogus. I had been the 2nd in charge of the kingdom for way too long, and DO know what I'm doing, I also apologize for it taking so long.

Kyden was never promised the throne, this is actually a gross misinterpretation of the facts. I'll be perfectly honest, now. When I was ready to leave, I came to the choice between either you, or Kyden. The only thing that swayed the scale so much in your favor WAS your time. I believed, and believe, that Kyden was a superior Roleplayer. However, I felt sympathy for how you had been snubbed by Chris, and in a moment of weakness I left the Kingdom to you. Since then, I've been quite vocal: I wish I had given it to Kyden. Forest's tradition of quality has been sullied, our members are largely inferior with no way to learn proper roleplaying. Dayaa, who despite being a wonderful person, was given power and rank far above her station in Roleplaying talent. Members were terrified, briefly, into activity; the Advisor believed that being on tag and not Rping was superior to being off tag and not Rping.

Tell me, what did you think when Chris chose me, whose Character was not only a mere halfling, but had only been a citizen of the Forest, to lead instead of you. What, Lasaria, do you think made him breech etiqute and logic by doing so? What does this tell you? I remember your initial reaction. You assailed me on PMs, asking above all if you would still have power. I should have known then what I know now. I should have left it to Kyden, I shouldn't have given it to you. As it stands now, Forest has degraded past an acceptable level, a level that would balance quality with quantity.

Que sera. Live and learn. The fact remains that Kyden was once concerned about your activity, rallied concerned citizens, and was branded a traitor. I can only assume a similar fate awaits me now. But it is only through critisism that we learn, and only through prunning bad branches that the tree can grow strong.

[xAndrewx]

Lasaria, how about you promote the kingdom members who have been in Forest for a long time?
Mydia joined just a few days ago and she is allready incharge of the defense. I've seen alot of hard working Forest members yet, they're not being promoted. Why?
((No offence to Mydia.))

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Lasaria, how about you promote the kingdom members who have been in Forest for a long time?
Mydia joined just a few days ago and she is allready incharge of the defense. I've seen alot of hard working Forest members yet, they're not being promoted. Why?
((No offence to Mydia.))

That's one of my reasons for being disturbed.
Have a cookie.

[ReBorn_Spirit]

I dont see why she should have to promote an inactive member, alot of these people she DID actually promote are one alot.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

I dont see why she should have to promote an inactive member, alot of these people she DID actually promote are one alot.

They're on alot, sure. But do they help the kingdom?
I see people like 'Mikuz' on tag all day, he interacts with other kingdom members and he doesn't get promoted. If you would give them a chance
to help you inside the kingdom, I'm sure they would. You can't just promote
a friend for the sake of
'Hey, you're my friend, You're now a leader of Forest!'.

[Xeph0ria]

Many people can be very hard workers and not be ready for a leadership position. Mydia is ready for a leadership position, and this was unanimously agreed upon among dayaa, axen, and myself. Now, I'm not saying anyone who was not promoted is not ready for a promotion, but if you read the original thread, you will see that other promotions are, in fact, coming. I suggest you wait until those promotions are done before you say nobody else is being promoted. Back to Mydia, I will stand till death defending the fact that she is the best choice of people currently in Human defenders as the leader for that faction. Do you have somebody else in mind that you believe to be better? If so, say their name and defend your point. I AM open minded (which does not mean I do whatever people tell me, but it means I listen to what people say and take what they say into serious consideration). Otherwise, quit complaining.

[AlaricoMontario]

I remember when we met at a Ravelyn's house on Crescent Isle... we had atleast 10 people in there fully supporting Kyden, who were dis-satisfied with Las's reign.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

I remember when we met at a Ravelyn's house on Crescent Isle... we had atleast 10 people in there fully supporting Kyden, who were dis-satisfied with Las's reign.

Fully supporting Kyden...are you drunk?
I remember a very different situation.

[Xeph0ria]

It is very unfortunate that people are going into this without an open mind, and rather are going into it with the "group mentality." Gryffon, your post has virtually no backing, other than the fact that I HAVE been a little more inactive than I should have been, which is now being remedied. But whatever.

And anyway, I don't promote based on friendship, I promote based on who I believe can do the job best. Like I said before, I promoted Axen, who has oftentimes come out and openly disagreed with me. I'm not saying Axen can't be my friend, but my promotions are not based on friendship,they are based on trust.

As for Kyden, yes, at one time I labeled him as a traitor, when he was trying to overthrow me. However, you may notice that he is still part of the kingdom. I can tell you for a fact that if someone had done the same thing to you, Gryffon, that person would have been out of the kingdom immediately. Wait, Becan did, and Becan was gone immediately. You can say the situation was different, but it was virtually identical. Kyden was doing it because he felt it was the right thing to do. Becan did it because he felt it was the right thing to do. However, I spoke to Kyden and forgave him, and he knows I have an open mind about things and if he has any suggestions, I listen. But I'm done arguing, it's time to let this play out and see what happens and let the actions speak louder than the arguments.

[Luigi1]

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

Becan did it because he felt it was the right thing to do.

Do you even know Becan's thinking? He wants power. If he thought it was the right thing to do, he wouldn't threaten people into signing his petition. He threw in some persuasive faults of you and Gryffon to try to back his overthrow, but they were merely to persuade and not to actually try to correct those problems. He stated some very good (and very obvious) things that he would do for the Forest, but they were to try to cloud his true mission -- to gain power. This isn't an assumption based on that one action. I've spent a lot of time talking with him, he definately seems like the power hungry type.

[ReBorn_Spirit]

I really don't see why we are argueing with the Queen of Forest, She is in charge here. Its just her word against ours really, can only get so far before she just ignores it. I would agree with Lasaria, some of our friends can't always be the best person for the job. If Axen makes mistakes we will see that and deal with it accordingly. For now, he is probably the best person for what he is doing, I say we give him a chance atleast.

And what does Becan have to do with all this??

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

I really don't see why we are argueing with the Queen of Forest, She is in charge here. Its just her word against ours really, can only get so far before she just ignores it.

If we can't disagree with the Queen, why have the Council?

[ReBorn_Spirit]

Because the Queen wants the council to give her new idea's and suggestions.

[Luigi1]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

And what does Becan have to do with all this??

Lasaria compared Kyden's overthrow plan to Becan's and said they were the same. In the sense that they were overthrows, yes, but the reasons of both situations are not the same.

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

I really don't see why we are argueing with the Queen of Forest, She is in charge here. Its just her word against ours really, can only get so far before she just ignores it.

Just because she has the highest rank doesn't mean her word is always right.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

However, I spoke to Kyden and forgave him,

You can't forgive me, I did nothing wrong.

and he knows I have an open mind about things and if he has any suggestions, I listen.

Open mind? Or just in one ear and out the other?

But I'm done arguing, it's time to let this play out and see what happens and let the actions speak louder than the arguments.

Let it play out? In the months you've had you've done nothing except recruit members, promote some people, and had people collect tree seeds.

[AlaricoMontario]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

You can't forgive me, I did nothing wrong.


Open mind? Or just in one ear and out the other?


Let it play out? In the months you've had you've done nothing except recruit members, promote some people, and had people collect tree seeds.

I can vouch for the make us get tree seeds thing xD

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

I can vouch for the make us get tree seeds thing xD

Back when I led Forest, I refused to leave the island so my diet consisted of worms and treeseeds

[AlaricoMontario]

She definitely could fix some things.. such as unlocking buildings. About half of Forest has the doors shut, i dont know if this means there is no level INSIDE, or if it is merely locked. Either way, it needs fixing.

[Xeph0ria]

I know I am not always right, and I never claimed to be always right. And my only point in the overthrows was that both people believed it was something they needed to do, so in their minds what they were doing was not being a traitor. However, any time someone unsuccessfully attempts to overthrow someone, it is looked at as being a traitor. Had either of the two been successful, they would have been looked upon as 'heroes'

As for pruning bad branches...I prefer to look upon it a different way. If I had taken that approach, I would have believed Kyden to be a bad branch, or a threat to myself. However, what I'm looking for is not power...instead, it is the ability to do what I believe needs to be done to keep forest going and rebuild it. It can NOT be said that Forest was not in a state of decay before I held the throne. Forest was virtually dead when chris gave it to Gryffon, and besides a few stories, some rank changing, and the beginning of a story that I am going to continue...not a whole lot really WAS done before I got it. Maybe had you had more time, you could have obtained the goal you were trying for, I don't know, and I'm not trying to discredit what you did at all, but just know that I am here for the betterment of the Forest...Nothing else.

I'm not saying either one had any good reasons or bad reasons or whatever, I'm not even reading into the specific situations very much, I was only trying to demonstrate that

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

I know I am not always right, and I never claimed to be always right. And my only point in the overthrows was that both people believed it was something they needed to do, so in their minds what they were doing was not being a traitor. However, any time someone unsuccessfully attempts to overthrow someone, it is looked at as being a traitor. Had either of the two been successful, they would have been looked upon as 'heroes'

As for pruning bad branches...I prefer to look upon it a different way. If I had taken that approach, I would have believed Kyden to be a bad branch, or a threat to myself. However, what I'm looking for is not power...instead, it is the ability to do what I believe needs to be done to keep forest going and rebuild it. It can NOT be said that Forest was not in a state of decay before I held the throne. Forest was virtually dead when chris gave it to Gryffon, and besides a few stories, some rank changing, and the beginning of a story that I am going to continue...not a whole lot really WAS done before I got it. Maybe had you had more time, you could have obtained the goal you were trying for, I don't know, and I'm not trying to discredit what you did at all, but just know that I am here for the betterment of the Forest...Nothing else.

I'm not saying either one had any good reasons or bad reasons or whatever, I'm not even reading into the specific situations very much, I was only trying to demonstrate that

Lasaria: My posts have no backing? Becan was the same as Kyden? You NEVER said these things when I was the Reis; you never said "Let's keep Becan around." There's a vast difference between overthrowing an inneffective leader and questing for personal power.

Dayaa: Oh my, the Queen of Forest has spoken? Then surely all our woes must be in vain! For none of us have the wisdom to rival
a leader of Forest.

All: I hope you can all see what this farce really is; not true activity but feigned interest to support a bad regime. IC, there is no comparisson between a simple monarch, and an elven sage empowered by the Sap of Turns. If Kyden had sought power for himself on a personal level, wouldn't he already have flexed his IC might? If Lasaria, who had been Queen for quite a while, was a proper leader, wouldn't Chris have chosen him instead of me? What good is a council when it merely empowers the people already in power; what does it do but bolster an iron-handed reign?

[Xeph0ria]

My views changed between when I was "merely queen" and when I held the throne. However, my interest is sincere, and it will be seen. I need not argue about it to prove it.

As for 'leadership' in the past, if you asked chris then, he would have told you it was because I was not very active. If you asked him now, it would either be the same answer, or the answer may have changed (whether it's a sincere belief or not) likely because of what has been said since the fact.

Regardless, like I said before, I'm not going to argue about this, instead I'm going to lead Forest into a better time, and the actions will speak louder than any promise or any belittlement of my character could. Let's leave it at that. If you wish, you can say something like "when you fail, I'll be here to tell you i told you so," if you wish. It will show your maturity level as what it apparently truely is.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Xeph0ria

My views changed between when I was "merely queen" and when I held the throne. However, my interest is sincere, and it will be seen. I need not argue about it to prove it.

As for 'leadership' in the past, if you asked chris then, he would have told you it was because I was not very active. If you asked him now, it would either be the same answer, or the answer may have changed (whether it's a sincere belief or not) likely because of what has been said since the fact.

Regardless, like I said before, I'm not going to argue about this, instead I'm going to lead Forest into a better time, and the actions will speak louder than any promise or any belittlement of my character could. Let's leave it at that. If you wish, you can say something like "when you fail, I'll be here to tell you i told you so," if you wish. It will show your maturity level as what it apparently truely is.

I do not say "I told you so", I'll merely say that I have said what I said, with fullest conviction: that I believe you are an inferior leader, a questionable Roleplayer, an arguable nepitist, and that I am sorry I ever entrusted something as precious as Forest to once such as yourself.

"Chris picked you because you were more active". You don't believe that. The instant I became Aren, you assailed me twice: once on the matter of retaining your precious power, and a second time on the matter that you were more active than I was. You can't change your mind "after the fact".