Pirate Application? Needs work?

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Today, a member joining Crescent Pirates must have made a mistake of mass messaging his application to the server rather than PMing it to Alan.
Then someone sent it back and here's how it was.
(Note: This is not a PM, it was a mass message for everyone to see. So this is not breaking any rule against posting PM history.)

God Etien Debaglio (Demon Realm) (7/2/2005 11:56:46 PM):
Mass message:
Mass message:
Pirate Application:

Have you ever been accused of scamming?
No.
What will be your first and last name on tag? (always where when on tag)
Raven Spitfyre or Redfyre(same as old).
Do you agree to donate 5 iron, 5 coal and 20 boards to CP before
receiving your Pirate rank? (this proves you are sincere and a hard worker)
well I might need a pickaxe to do that... in any case... YES...

change that to NEWB app...
hard working i 5 minerals... lol what a joke.

This is not picking on the person who joined. He was said to have been a pirate before under Alan's ruling, and was simply rejoining.

My point is the application itself. Is this all there is to it? Do we all really think this is sufficient?
First, it BARELY touches the surface of RPing. It simply asks about first and last name (which isn't really totally enforced in the kingdom anyways- and names are even flexible with pirates).

The donation requirement does promote a sense of RPing. Maybe it could be improved as well- something less tedious and more value (donate a diamond).

I propose there be questions to show knowledge of RPing. The meanings of "Out of character" and "In character" would be good for a start (knowing their accronyms would be helpful as well, but it seems the more important problem is to get a grasp of their concepts first).

Afterall, we don't want people getting the wrong idea and running around in our kingdom with names such as "Jim Raynor" saying things such as "Arrg! Ye dirty n00bies aint got nothing over me!!! LOLZ!!!" (supposed to read that with a gradual change from stereotypical pirate voice to normal-obnoxious modern day person).

Also, I believe this would help the cause of RPing in CP which is what kingdoms are about, right? Having good ole' fashioned roleplaying fun.

[Debaglio]

Finally someone is going to admit that I have an idea how RP should go.
-Etien is back, and he comes from the forest.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by That PM

Have you ever been accused of scamming?
No.

However, I know when myself and Brad led Forest we had an intensive application process. Like you had to actually roleplay with us in order to get in. Granted, we were the smallest kingdom out there. But we ended up conquering the world.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Finally someone is going to admit that I have an idea how RP should go.
-Etien is back, and he comes from the forest.

I read the post carefully. Nowhere in there did I see "I think Etien Debagglio should be elected supreme Czarina of Roleplaying, because Etien always knows best about the 1337 gangsta RP."

Etien is not back for long. It's been a long time since anyone played as a demon.

[AlaricoMontario]

Perhaps if you delved in, that is the STARTING rank. You have to prove yourself and have a certain overall experience l evel amount taken from different areas to progress any further.

The PIrate rank is just the newb of the seas, they have to obey the orders of EVERYONE>

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I read the post carefully. Nowhere in there did I see "I think Etien Debagglio should be elected supreme Czarina of Roleplaying, because Etien always knows best about the 1337 gangsta RP."

Etien is not back for long. It's been a long time since anyone played as a demon.

Yeah. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

However, I know when myself and Brad led Forest we had an intensive application process. Like you had to actually roleplay with us in order to get in. Granted, we were the smallest kingdom out there. But we ended up conquering the world.

Yeah, I like the idea of involving the recruitment process more in game. Like actually doing an in-game roleplaying questioning. I used to do that as well with various applicants asking whatever would be appropriate, but some of the stuff I did conduct in PM's. I can't say mine was intense as yours, but the idea of roleplaying sure was there as well.

[Splke]

OOC and IC meanings
Char History (if you dont have one, make up a spiffy description)
Ingame RP

Viola. New application.

[Debaglio]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I read the post carefully. Nowhere in there did I see "I think Etien Debagglio should be elected supreme Czarina of Roleplaying, because Etien always knows best about the 1337 gangsta RP."

Etien is not back for long. It's been a long time since anyone played as a demon.

I suggest you look at the sender of the message that inspired this thread.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

I suggest you look at the sender of the message that inspired this thread.

You ridiculed it, yes. I didn't see you also massing out well thought out suggestions for reform.

[Debaglio]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

You ridiculed it, yes. I didn't see you also massing out well thought out suggestions for reform.

Who am I to suggest a kingdom reform??? I thought no one cared or listened to me.... ? I only found it interesting that I was in this folder quoted. That is it.

[Draenin]

Then leave it at that.

I personally disagree, but I'm not gonna argue. To each his own.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Who am I to suggest a kingdom reform??? I thought no one cared or listened to me.... ? I only found it interesting that I was in this folder quoted. That is it.

You don't have to reply to everything.


Anyway... the way I ran applications is by asking them some RP questions and then having them formally RP introduce themselves to me, state their purpose for joining, and having them swear allegiance. I based a lot of my judging on their introduction because you can just teach them some of the RP basics in an hour or less. Then again... no one really made it past my system so... *shrug*

[AlaricoMontario]

lets break down what alan asks for:

5 iron - cannons and nails for protection and i presume wooden barrels
5 coal - nails and cannonballs
20 boards - ships and barrels

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by AlaricoMontario

lets break down what alan asks for:

5 iron - cannons and nails for protection and i presume wooden barrels
5 coal - nails and cannonballs
20 boards - ships and barrels

I don't believe that's an application.

That's more like a fee to join. The application part related to that is a question asking if you're WILLING to "donate" those things.

But since you're commenting on the donation requirement- I think diamonds would be reasonable also. After all, even if you're a total newbie- if you've been mining enough to have 5 iron, 5 coal, as well as minerals for yourself- you must have at least one diamond somewhere. The requirement still has space to be more strict so that we can say if you're not able to make it, you're not a very good gamer at all- at least not in Graal.

Anyhow, my point was more about incorporating more RPing into the application process.

[Draenin]

Diamonds are a rediculous idea. What use have they? You can prep one person's weapon with them, or you can make one of the less-than-useful items scattered throughout GK. Nice way to make everyone's work benefit one person.