5, a good number?

Damix2 · #1 02-25-2004, 04:03 AM

As of right now now KJ, Zormite and Dustari are all alligned, Forest is for now gone, which leaves Pirates by themselves.

3 against 1 does not make very good odds, even if Forest comes back (date? no clue) its still 3 against 2.

You can set the limit to 1 ally but then bam 2 v 2 v 1 another mismatch for the 1.

Add another kingdom? Ha it took 2 months to get the event shop running I doubt this will happend.

Remove a kingdom...Forest because right now it already is pretty much gone... get an uprising from all its old/cureent members.

The whole system is not good, no wonder kingdoms have failed.

Thats all I have to say, ideas anyone?

Brad · #2 02-25-2004, 04:05 AM

barbarians like celt was ;D

Damix2 · #3 02-25-2004, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by Brad
barbarians like celt was ;D

ahem Midevil Farmer owns all

haunter · #4 02-25-2004, 04:10 AM

Yes, I too noticed the triple entante (sp?) a while ago... Doesn't seem like there's going to be much fun in the area of kingdom wars anytime soon... basicly if on of the three allied kingdoms are attacked by... well really only the pirates would be the one attacking... the other two will join in and it will be like a free forall brawl...

So instead of a war, its more like an extermenation, sure the pests annoying, but there are very very few compared to how many molecules of poison there are...

Also consider this... Member count:

Dustari:135
Zormite:119
Kurenai:214

Pirates:58

I see an 8:1 ratio there... for every one pirate, there are 8 people in the triple entante to gang up on them...

Damix2 · #5 02-25-2004, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by haunter
Yes, I too noticed the triple entante (sp?) a while ago... Doesn't seem like there's going to be much fun in the area of kingdom wars anytime soon... basicly if on of the three allied kingdoms are attacked by... well really only the pirates would be the one attacking... the other two will join in and it will be like a free forall brawl...

So instead of a war, its more like an extermenation, sure the pests annoying, but there are very very few compared to how many molecules of poison there are...

Also consider this... Member count:

Dustari:135
Zormite:119
Kurenai:214

Pirates:58

I see an 8:1 ratio there... for every one pirate, there are 8 people in the triple entante to gang up on them...

Numbers can be a little deceiving there, I am on many parts on the day (suspension from school =D) and if you really look at it, you will only see a
40% Pirate
20% Zormite
10% Dustari
30% KJ

Making it a bit more fair, its all about active members. The problem is during wars not only do active members participate but ussually the people you barely see come on and screws up the ration back it again around 3:1

Ziro_Vitrudestec · #6 02-25-2004, 04:18 AM

1. Those numbers are invalid. People go inactive all the time. Some groups clean the member list. I cleared pirate's list when I was Governor, some havn't cleaned theirs since long before that.
2. The balance of numbers doesn't really matter. There doesn't have to be 2v2v2 in even numbers.
3. Even if it did have to be even, it makes sense for CP to not be allied with anyone.
4. This is not the reason kingdoms are doing bad. People need to realize that kingdoms are for RPing. They're not your traditional Graal guild which is actually not a guild, but more of a gaming clan. Guilds are for people with similar interests in goals...gaming clans are just groups for teaming up together to "kill" or defeat others. In a sense, they're simple trivial guilds where the only common aspect is the goal of "destruction".
5. Bring back RPing.
6. People who are taking over the kingdom world with their anti-RPing ideas need to be removed. Refer to graaliholic's signature (if it has not changed). (Edit: I guess I was wrong. I just changed. Either it wasn't him who quoted one person saying kingdoms needs to remove all non-RPers..... or the signature was changed.)

Brad · #7 02-25-2004, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by haunter
Yes, I too noticed the triple entante (sp?) a while ago... Doesn't seem like there's going to be much fun in the area of kingdom wars anytime soon... basicly if on of the three allied kingdoms are attacked by... well really only the pirates would be the one attacking... the other two will join in and it will be like a free forall brawl...

So instead of a war, its more like an extermenation, sure the pests annoying, but there are very very few compared to how many molecules of poison there are...

Also consider this... Member count:

Dustari:135
Zormite:119
Kurenai:214

Pirates:58

I see an 8:1 ratio there... for every one pirate, there are 8 people in the triple entante to gang up on them...

Mark has grudges.

I wanted to join, he said no.

Damix2 · #8 02-25-2004, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
1. Those numbers are invalid. People go inactive all the time. Some groups clean the member list. I cleared pirate's list when I was Governor, some havn't cleaned theirs since long before that.
2. The balance of numbers doesn't really matter. There doesn't have to be 2v2v2 in even numbers.
3. Even if it did have to be even, it makes sense for CP to not be allied with anyone.
4. This is not the reason kingdoms are doing bad. People need to realize that kingdoms are for RPing. They're not your traditional Graal guild which is actually not a guild, but more of a gaming clan. Guilds are for people with similar interests in goals...gaming clans are just groups for teaming up together to "kill" or defeat others. In a sense, they're simple trivial guilds where the only common aspect is the goal of "destruction".
5. Bring back RPing.
6. People who are taking over the kingdom world with their anti-RPing ideas need to be removed. Refer to graaliholic's signature (if it has not changed).

1.Refer to previous post by me
2.Okay if you like lopsided wars go right ahead
3.Why CP, because they are Pirates? So does it make sense for a Knight to allign with a Samurai? No, this isn't real life, untill every single person knows the exact history (which is not going to happen) of their kingdom, Kingdoms will not have good role playing
4.Ok this is what we expect, we have all these PK guilds on classic, we take all these PK crazy people and stick them on kingdoms and tell them to RP, is it going to happen? no it will not, they will just do the exact thing they did on every other server.
5.Bring it back? I had a pretty long hiatus of Graal but I am almost certain it was never here.
6.So are you saying that anyone who PKs can not be in a kingdom amazing w lets have 2 members in each kingdom.

I am all for roleplaying in fact I enjoy it, but I enjoy killing people also, Kingdoms is driven by its powerful players all these players happen to like to PK (Or most sorry) A level 2 person can roleplay as the king of Dustari but you will nto get it through the head of one of these level 40-60 people that he can not take one swing at him and kill him.

Thak2 · #9 02-25-2004, 06:05 AM

Some significant roleplayish kingdom-wide event should take place to break up the three allies I think. As when most everyone is allied and friends, things are more bland and uneventful.

(Say, the Pirates could stage a sabotage thing on the Zormites, and frame Dustari somehow, or bribe and befriend Zormite higherups and remind them of their past warrior ways, and anti-Dustari past as well.)

I don't know, would be neat for some Kingdom subterfuge and secret plotting to happen.

WanDaMan · #10 02-25-2004, 09:49 AM

Well the odds are even with Pirates having lots of the best players on graal kingdoms, so don't start crap about them being crap and all. For god sake mark probably gives them items like he did with his kingdom TBC or something..

Satrek2000 · #11 02-25-2004, 11:47 AM

If there is a proper systems for war - that is, being an enemy means more than plain pk-feasts every now and then - I will personally empty a cauldron full of stew over the Empress new dress to bring some momentum to diplomacy

The point is, we don't need less kingdoms, we need some enemies to rp - and to rp only. While the tripple alliance is a good thing for now, I think it should be split when such a system is added - IC only, and thats many people's problem. You can be someone's mortal enemy as well as best friend at the same time.

Damix2 · #12 02-25-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan
Well the odds are even with Pirates having lots of the best players on graal kingdoms, so don't start crap about them being crap and all. For god sake mark probably gives them items like he did with his kingdom TBC or something..

I was in TBC at level 11 so you can't really say it was only powerfuk players, also I din;t reveive any items from Mark

--Chris-- · #13 02-25-2004, 06:03 PM

I'd quote myself: "Alliances do not last"

They always end up screwing over each other, two backstab one or so. Oh..and I've already started hearing rumors about a situation like this

haunter · #14 02-25-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
I'd quote myself: "Alliances do not last"
They always end up screwing over each other, two backstab one or so. Oh..and I've already started hearing rumors about a situation like this

OMG sex scandel!

Monkeyboy_McGee · #15 02-25-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
List of stuff

Another of the rare occasions i agree with Ziro.

hmm, now for mine.
Your complaints are falling on deaf ears.
Having an odd number of kingdoms would add diversity to the roleplay (IF WE HAD DECENT ROLEPLAY ON KINGDOMS, WHICH WE DON'T); it would mean that if four kingdoms got into a scuffle, they would all be competing to get the fifth on -their- side and the fifth could benefit from this or take advantage greatly.
But, yeah seriously, i don't know why you all just don't give up; i've pretty much given up on the GK system, i'm concentrating on helping make my friend's playerworld rather than running around on this sunken old wreck. Graal Kingdoms IS NO LONGER A ROLEPLAY SERVER. The powers that be made it no more than a...graphically enhanced classic server somewhere along the line, and nothing except a completely new server will change that now. Kingdoms is overrun by PKers(coincidentally they are non-RPers) that are aided to a *****ic extent by the corrosive and imbalanced system and the amount of items and valuelessness of everything non-event/alch. They swamp the kingdoms which were set up for roleplaying, and in some cases even rule these kingdoms. If you want fairness, fun, intelligence and roleplaying, please, -please- stop looking for it on GK. You will not find it.

And whoever was rambling on about playercount....wtfs. Did you just completely neglect the fact that around 100 of those members on each side were inactive, or PKing *****s who never ever wear their tags, just to make your point seem more valid? Well, that's statistics for you, i guess. Even if there were 100 players in each army, in a battle on GK right now, the whole fight would just be a short scuffle between the people who've got the EAs; all those without die in the first wave of icestorm and powerplayers. There are no real wars on GK to have anyway, so why the hell are you whining about unfair numbers of kingdoms? (ESPECIALLY WHEN FOREST IS INACTIVE ANYWAY, DUHHHHHH). If the outnumbered kingdom didn't like being outnumbered, maybe it should have just not turned the other ones against it. Crushing it in a 3-on-1 war would serve as a valuable lesson to the outnumbered kingdom, what is your problem?

*ramble over*