Ctf

[Deophite18]

So I remember when CTF first came out on UN and it was a huge deal. Games were gigantic and it was easily the most popular event. However, all these years later there is still only one map.

Anyone else think a new type should be created? Perhaps a horizontal map this time? I think it would make the event WAY more popular again and would be a good change instead of playing the same vertical one for YEARS.

[Ares]

2 MORE MAPS, please.

[Trak]

Originally Posted by ares

2 more maps, please.

3 more maps!

[Crono1508]

I disagree because the map design is pretty complex and fairly even based. I don't know who made the levels, but I bet it took quite a handful of time to get it perfectly made.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Crono1508

I disagree because the map design is pretty complex and fairly even based. I don't know who made the levels, but I bet it took quite a handful of time to get it perfectly made.

It's not that hard to make a map and I doubt they even spent a huge amount of time making that map.

Hell, its not even that great of a map to begin with.

As for the new maps, I actually made a thread for it on the local UN Forums, and surprise surprise, nobody but Vega or Alex Cypher answered. Good luck trying to divide staff's attention from useless level makeovers, creating new useless npc's, and making some pet world.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Crono1508

I disagree because the map design is pretty complex and fairly even based. I don't know who made the levels, but I bet it took quite a handful of time to get it perfectly made.

So wait, your argument is don't make a new one because it would be too hard for a LAT?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

It's not that hard to make a map and I doubt they even spent a huge amount of time making that map.

This

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

creating new useless npc's, and making some pet world.

Iv actually seen and tested the new pet system. It's pretty cool and will probably be popular. But hopefully since it's release date is soon someone will be able to work on a new map.

[Hiro]

it's pretty useless to try and suggest anything to this generation's UN staff. they aren't going to do it because they are already working on projects that are, according to them, much more important than completing player-suggested additions

[SwimChao]

I told Deo that I had actually planned on working on two or a few more GMAPs that would be used for CTF, but it's always overridden by bigger projects. Since we only have a limited number staff, we only have a limited amount of hands to work on multiple things at a time.

While it's not a difficult thing to make a level, it is time consuming to make enough levels for a map that will support a good number of players. Once there's an opportunity to make it, I'll be sure to see to it that it gets done.

Side note: I never saw your post, Mystic. You say it like we don't look at the forums at all, and don't care what you have to say. I mean, in reality if you look at any of the posts with some significant meaning, one of us has responded; and relayed the message onto the appropriate staff team. I mean, Joe for example uses the forums a lot and fixes 95% if not all of the bug reports that players put on there.

[MysticX2X]

I'm sure that Chris character, who spends half his time warping around, could help with a few levels. Also I'm sure you guys could put out an application for new levelers.

And I see a lot of unanswered suggestions tbh. Maybe lessthan a third of the suggestions have little or no significance to you.

[SwimChao]

I'm sure that Chris character, who spends half his time warping around, could help with a few levels. Also I'm sure you guys could put out an application for new levelers.

Then I'm also sure that you're unsure of the amount of work he actually does, or any development staff for that matter. You, as a player, are not exposed to anything they do until the final product is released publicly on the server.

And I see a lot of unanswered suggestions tbh. Maybe lessthan a third of the suggestions have little or no significance to you.

Just because they haven't received a reply yet, doesn't mean they're insignificant. When I use the word significant, I mean the suggestions that actually have some time, thought, and logic put into them. Not suggestions like UNBAN BLOBZ & PAYTON and Y U DO THIS 2???. These topics are just a player making a "suggestion" to complain about something. That's all 75% of the community of this game ever does, is complain. And not in the good way, either.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

Then I'm also sure that you're unsure of the amount of work he actually does, or any development staff for that matter. You, as a player, are not exposed to anything they do until the final product is released publicly on the server.



Just because they haven't received a reply yet, doesn't mean they're insignificant. When I use the word significant, I mean the suggestions that actually have some time, thought, and logic put into them. Not suggestions like UNBAN BLOBZ & PAYTON and Y U DO THIS 2???. These topics are just a player making a "suggestion" to complain about something. That's all 75 of the community of this game ever does, is complain. And not in the good way, either.

you're warped perception of your community's suggestions and complaints show your obvious uncaring about them, and unwillingness to take the time to listen to what they are actually saying. if you don't have the knowledge to separate the trolls from the actual suggestions, to which at this point might be so unmotivated as to type "WHY YOU DO THIS" since they doubt that anything will come from it anyways, means that you probably aren't managing as well as you could be. mystic has been (or still is) a developer, and when you see people just randomly warping about or generally seemingly like staff are just fooling around, it's easy to tell since he's experienced it before, as have i in my experiences with development. you've been working on these "important projects" for how many weeks now? and have been ignoring suggestions of players for how long now? and you've given us what information on these projects so we have some rational for the time spent on said projects instead of on our suggestions?

it's not good enough to tell us that we don't know what we're talking about, or that you are understaffed, or that the suggestions given are all stupid. all it suggests is that you don't care, and that nothing will come of writing good suggestions

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by Hiro

you're warped perception of your community's suggestions and complaints show your obvious uncaring about them, and unwillingness to take the time to listen to what they are actually saying. if you don't have the knowledge to separate the trolls from the actual suggestions, to which at this point might be so unmotivated as to type "WHY YOU DO THIS" since they doubt that anything will come from it anyways, means that you probably aren't managing as well as you could be. mystic has been (or still is) a developer, and when you see people just randomly warping about or generally seemingly like staff are just fooling around, it's easy to tell since he's experienced it before, as have i in my experiences with development. you've been working on these "important projects" for how many weeks now? and have been ignoring suggestions of players for how long now? and you've given us what information on these projects so we have some rational for the time spent on said projects instead of on our suggestions?

it's not good enough to tell us that we don't know what we're talking about, or that you are understaffed, or that the suggestions given are all stupid. all it suggests is that you don't care, and that nothing will come of writing good suggestions

Now you're just taking what I said from one point in the ball park, and throwing it to the completely opposite corner.

I have no problem breaking this down into the smallest piece I can think of taking it right now, to further explain to you how the forums are handled on Unholy Nation (no matter how off topic that it may now be):

When it comes to the UN Suggestions category of the forums, we let players give their own personal suggestions to better the server. Not once did I say, or even hint that we organize the significant from insignificant posts the way you're presenting. We read through the posts, obviously, and if it's a suggestion we're sure we can have done (or do right away) that has the three things I brought up in my earlier post (Time, thought and logic), we'll reply to it accordingly. I don't know how often you use the forums on the server, but if you did you'd realize that there are a lot of threads that are self answered by the people who post in them, and outrageous ones a like. While there are a lot of good ones, there are an equal amount of bad ones (most of which are deleted before they get any decent time to get replied to).

On top of that, I'm not sure how fair it is for you to throw this all on me like I have time to juggle my personal life, organize the server/it's development, and reply to every single suggestion thread that ever goes through the forums. There's a lot more to my volunteered position on this server than sitting and clicking refresh on the forums, so that I can reply with the proper answer to it right away. On top of that, I usually run anything significant by some of the Developers (IE. Joe, _Zelph) and higher/older staff within the teams for their opinions on the things as well. If we just made a bucket load of spontaneous suggestions based on one player's want, there would be so much on this server with no primary role for anyone other than the person who suggested it. Does that make sense?

Just to give you a ball park idea about how uncaring I am about UN's community... I probably get more PMs in a couple hours than most players get in an entire week of playing the server. There was a point in time (prior to the PM add-on you'll see if you try to message me now) that PMs for me was like sitting, and responding detailed to every single mass message that goes out on the server. Because unlike most past staff members, I try to take the time to respond to all the whys and hows of the PMs I receive- from everybody that I get them from. A few PMs sometimes slip under the radar, but mostly it's because I'm busy responding to the other PMs, and the player logs out.

I really don't know what else to say to your post from there. You're free to form an opinion about it, present it, and support it as much as you want. If you genuinely have a problem with me, though, you'd be best to PM me so we can resolve it. If that won't work for you, I hate to put more on their table, but there's always the Support Center where you're free to submit a ticket about staff corruption. Because in reality, what you described is nothing but staff corruption and should be de-rooted from a server as quickly as possible.

Nothing I'm saying am I trying to say in a hostile manner, or pompously. I'm just trying to break it down so you understand me a little better . I will not respond to this topic any further unless it pertains to the Capture The Flag maps.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

Now you're just taking what I said from one point in the ball park, and throwing it to the completely opposite corner.

I have no problem breaking this down into the smallest piece I can think of taking it right now, to further explain to you how the forums are handled on Unholy Nation (no matter how off topic that it may now be):

When it comes to the UN Suggestions category of the forums, we let players give their own personal suggestions to better the server. Not once did I say, or even hint that we organize the significant from insignificant posts the way you're presenting. We read through the posts, obviously, and if it's a suggestion we're sure we can have done (or do right away) that has the three things I brought up in my earlier post (Time, thought and logic), we'll reply to it accordingly. I don't know how often you use the forums on the server, but if you did you'd realize that there are a lot of threads that are self answered by the people who post in them, and outrageous ones a like. While there are a lot of good ones, there are an equal amount of bad ones (most of which are deleted before they get any decent time to get replied to).

On top of that, I'm not sure how fair it is for you to throw this all on me like I have time to juggle my personal life, organize the server/it's development, and reply to every single suggestion thread that ever goes through the forums. There's a lot more to my volunteered position on this server than sitting and clicking refresh on the forums, so that I can reply with the proper answer to it right away. On top of that, I usually run anything significant by some of the Developers (IE. Joe, _Zelph) and higher/older staff within the teams for their opinions on the things as well. If we just made a bucket load of spontaneous suggestions based on one player's want, there would be so much on this server with no primary role for anyone other than the person who suggested it. Does that make sense?

Just to give you a ball park idea about how uncaring I am about UN's community... I probably get more PMs in a couple hours than most players get in an entire week of playing the server. There was a point in time (prior to the PM add-on you'll see if you try to message me now) that PMs for me was like sitting, and responding detailed to every single mass message that goes out on the server. Because unlike most past staff members, I try to take the time to respond to all the whys and hows of the PMs I receive- from everybody that I get them from. A few PMs sometimes slip under the radar, but mostly it's because I'm busy responding to the other PMs, and the player logs out.

I really don't know what else to say to your post from there. You're free to form an opinion about it, present it, and support it as much as you want. If you genuinely have a problem with me, though, you'd be best to PM me so we can resolve it. If that won't work for you, I hate to put more on their table, but there's always the Support Center where you're free to submit a ticket about staff corruption. Because in reality, what you described is nothing but staff corruption and should be de-rooted from a server as quickly as possible.

Nothing I'm saying am I trying to say in a hostile manner, or pompously. I'm just trying to break it down so you understand me a little better . I will not respond to this topic any further unless it pertains to the Capture The Flag maps.

yes, welcome to being a manager. don't act like i'm posting ignorance about something i know nothing about, because i do know what it means to be a manager. that doesn't give you an excuse, nor an out of the situation

you setup in-game forums instead of focusing on the official graal ones, and you thought people were going to take them seriously? obviously some will, but like you said, most of the posts are self-answered and stupid. if you are going to have your own forums separate from the ones that actually matter, then i'm surprised you weren't prepared for it ahead of time (as it seems like you weren't from your post)

as to the relation of CTF, i don't see what it is your could be working on that is more important than player suggestions, and i say that because you don't give the players any information about what it is you are doing. sure you're juggling a personal life and other such activities - does that mean you can't post a thread (preferably in these forums) about it? how long does it take you to write up an information-based post about things, or to appoint someone to do it for you? if you are spending your time answering PMs, then i'm sure you can spend some of that time posting a thread that you could have everyone read instead of personal responses for everyone. i'm not throwing it all on you - you just happen to be the only staff member of UN that actually posts here, who else could i throw it on?

and just to make sure, i also wrote this and my previous message with no animosity intent. it's just that the way you are handling player requests make it appear as if you don't give them any time or thought at all with no response, or you make players wait because of other mysterious projects that every single staff member is apparently working on but we have no information about. take my spar leagues example: i told you exactly how much time it would take to make it happen, what would be needed, and why it would be a simple matter of changing around TCspar in order to let spar mods host small leagues every week or so since UTC has lost a lot of it's meaning to sparrers. and what did you tell me? you said that the staff was working on other projects that were taking up so much of their time that they had no time to spend on changing around the levels in upper TCspar or to script the extremely simple commands to make it actually work, and that you would get to it later. that was several months ago - i have no information on these "current projects" i have no information about what you even think about any type of independent sparring leagues on UN, and what i do see is staff warping about having fun, or making mass messages about whatever

[LordSquirt]

I agree with Deo that adding more maps would perhaps make CTF better and more exciting, however, it isn't really too much of a priority and is pretty much minuscule compared to some of the other projects you're working on. Therefore, I understand that it might take a while for it to be actually up and running. However, if it does come out ^.^

PS: STREETY FTW

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

I agree with Deo that adding more maps would perhaps make CTF better and more exciting, however, it isn't really too much of a priority and is pretty much minuscule compared to some of the other projects you're working on. Therefore, I understand that it might take a while for it to be actually up and running. However, if it does come out ^.^

UN doesn't have the same type of priorities as Era.

Originally Posted by SwimChao

On a side note, I'll have Clev's PK looked at, and I'll have a scripter look at Castle Wars as well.

While we are talking about broken stuff, maybe you can get a NAT to fix the other spar viewer? Iv personally PMed several NAT's mentioning it to them many times in the past seeing if they wouldd fix it but they ignore me. So, it remains broken. Couldn't be difficult since the other one works just fine.

I think once the pet system is done, player suggestions should be taken more into account. It is after all the players which keep the server popular. UN only gets a new event like once like every 8 months if that. Quests there take 2 hours max so this is what keeps players entertained. IMO it is a priority after fixing broken stuff.

An idea:
Maybe create a team devoted soley to ET Dev. We had something like this on classic which helped keep events new and interesting because they were always being worked on. I noticed shadow is a ET LAT now or whatever. I don't think it would be difficult getting a NAT & GAT added to the team as well.