Economy Saver - Diamonds into Event Coins

[DonnyCypher]

I think that it would be a really good idea if in the Event Coin shop one of the options of craftable items were Event Coins, If there was an option of taking lets say 20-25 diamonds +large gold nuggets or something and making them into event coins this would greatly help out the economy of the server. This way even if your not on for events and you cannot participate for whatever reason or your really bad at events you still have the possibility of getting some of the event items. If this suggestion is adopted i think that there should also be much more items added to the Event Coin shop because most of the items in the game are either dead from players quitting or dead because nobody trades and this way we can get more items into the game.

[Butz]

I'm not sure this would really help things. It would greatly increase the number of event coins, yes, but then what would be the point of attending events? They're called event coins for a reason after all.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Butz

but then what would be the point of attending events? They're called event coins for a reason after all.

Ownage.

I like the idea but Butz is right. These are Event Coins....if you wanted them like this then there wouldn't be any need of events now would there?

[DonnyCypher]

oh your being ignorant, the point of events would be to win event coins not to have ot buy them. I don't know about you but i hardly ever attend events because they are hardly hosted when im on. and when i am in an event it seems impossible for me to ever win.

[Butz]

And what you don't understand is that items only hold their valued and prized status as long as they are hard to get. Look at how many people complain whenever something that they had, which had once been rare, is reintroduced into the economy. You don't think something like this wouldn't piss off those that spent their time to actually work for their event coins and get the items legitimately?

Furthermore, it'd just push the cost of diamonds even higher, as people would be rushing to get them in order to get event coins. Higher diamond prices is NOT the way to help the economy.

You are simply looking for an easy way out here. Do I wish I had some of the things in the event shop? Sure, but I also know that it'll take a lot of work to get there, and I'm fine with that.

[DonnyCypher]

dude your wrong thats just dumb, the fact of the matter is that the economy of GK is so terrible and thrashed because of all of the things i mentioned that soon it will just die. Nobody trades any big items anymore on little stupid ones, this would get more items into teh game, the items that have been lost.

[Butz]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

dude your wrong thats just dumb, the fact of the matter is that the economy of GK is so terrible and thrashed because of all of the things i mentioned that soon it will just die. Nobody trades any big items anymore on little stupid ones, this would get more items into teh game, the items that have been lost.

My wrong?

You continue to say that the economy is trashed, but yet, you don't give any compelling evidence that making expensive things easier to get will help the economy at all. If anything, we should be trying to lower the price of diamonds, so platinum will come back into favor, rather than giving people even another reason to hoard them and charge ridiculous prices.

If I am wrong, and my argument is dumb, then please, intelligently counter my points, and I'll admit that I'm wrong. Simply stating that I'm wrong however, will not convince me in the least.

[Ravenblade1979]

OK lets look at this logically.

Pro: More ec's would be in the general populace.
Coin shop items would be easier to get.

Con: Price of diamonds would skyrocket (increase)
: Event Coins would be worth significantly less
and wouldn't be used as a main event prize
anymore.
: Items in coin shop that take a lot to make
would become to common and the price
would go down a lot
: People would be mad
: Any old item released in the coin shop would be gotten
to quickly


As you can see there are more con's then pro's to this idea of yours. I think REJECTED would be the right thing to say at this point.

[Ravenblade1979]

Whoa gotta stop you there Shawn...diamonds are back down to 500 plat each.

[Butz]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Whoa gotta stop you there Shawn...diamonds are back down to 500 plat each.

And that's a good price? I remember when diamonds were 25 p each.

[Ravenblade1979]

Yeah well its a common price at the moment and ppl don't seem to mind at all.

[Butz]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Yeah well its a common price at the moment and ppl don't seem to mind at all.

I'll give you that much, but it still doesn't remove the fact that if diamonds were suddenly able to be converted into event coins, you would see the prices on them skyrocket.

[Ravenblade1979]

oh god we both know they would

[DonnyCypher]

Butz dude you are so wrong it hurts yeah dude lets make dias 25 plat each that would be a good idea. Butz your right you know so much more about the server than I do. dude im just trying to throw out ideas on how to get the player count up and to get the server back to how it used to be but you guys are not even trying its like you want the server to die rather than contribute suggestions. Excuse me for trying something that might work, sure it should be tweaked but its not an all together bad idea.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

Butz dude you are so wrong it hurts yeah dude lets make dias 25 plat each that would be a good idea. Butz your right you know so much more about the server than I do. dude im just trying to throw out ideas on how to get the player count up and to get the server back to how it used to be but you guys are not even trying its like you want the server to die rather than contribute suggestions. Excuse me for trying something that might work, sure it should be tweaked but its not an all together bad idea.

Actually we are looking at this realistically. it would throw everything out of balance.

[DonnyCypher]

What Balance?!

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

Butz dude you are so wrong it hurts

Let's step around the poor grammar and spelling for a second and consider the issue. You gave an idea, seeking an opinion. Opionions were given and you insult the user as they don't agree with your opinion. You're not a very good team player are you . Listen and consider, don't just blatantly ignore and insult them.

[Ravenblade1979]

The balance of prices we have right now. Did you not read my pro/con list i posted?

[DonnyCypher]

i think that we would all agree that things are not in balance. This server is not in balance in any way.

[Butz]

Yes, of course, I have no idea what I'm talking about, I've only been around here for years, I guess you've got me there.

In all seriousness, the current "balance" is that diamonds stay more or less at their fixed rate, people use them as a substitute for currency, and things continue on at their normal pace. It is in my own opinion that the scarcity of event coins is part of what keeps the economy moving. There is already a way to get ECs from diamonds, and that is by trading with other players.

Also, the high prices in the EC shop are what is commonly known as a timesink. Things are hard to get, and they require many hours of playing and work, because it keeps people busy. It's not like Graal is the first online game to do this. (Raiding late game dungeons in a certain game about a certain World, or spending ridiculous amounts of gold on fancy looking armor in a game about guilds and wars are some examples off hand)

Give everyone an easy way to get what they want, and it'll just amplify the fact that there is really not much to do around GK.

[Ravenblade1979]

Lack of updates is the biggest thing Donny. thats what drove people away and if you read the forums enough you would know this.

[Sam]

EC's will only given by EM's never in shops.

[DonnyCypher]

you know how i can prove to you so easily that the server is not in balance and that change is needed and that new ideas should be put forth. I can prove it to you so easily its not even funny. I will admit that i am wrong and that you are right and that i am dumb and your smart if only you can try and buy any of the following items and get even as much as a response.
-Dustari Shield
-Forest Shield
-Ring of War
-Pheonix Shield

These are just a few examples of items that used to be commonly traded daily along with many others but due to the server being out of balance they are impossible to find.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

you know how i can prove to you so easily that the server is not in balance and that change is needed and that new ideas should be put forth. I can prove it to you so easily its not even funny. I will admit that i am wrong and that you are right and that i am dumb and your smart if only you can try and buy any of the following items and get even as much as a response.
-Dustari Shield
-Forest Shield
-Ring of War
-Pheonix Shield

These are just a few examples of items that used to be commonly traded daily along with many others but due to the server being out of balance they are impossible to find.

I know people selling Dustari and Forest Shields. also Pheonix shield is quite common now and the price has went down and rows come about all the time you just need to know where to look for them.

[Ravenblade1979]

-Dustari Shield: Can only be given out by the king of dustari at a Dustari kingdom event

-Forest Shield: Can only be given out by the king of Forest in a forest kingdom event.

-Ring of War: I have actually seen these go on sale..its just a low period when no ones selling.

-Pheonix Shield: Makeable in coin shop for i think 45 ec's.


Please read what sam posted.

[jaws908]

DC, I've read all of your posts, and in response to one of your first ones. About staff rejecting all submited ideas, maybe if you submited -good- ideas they'd listen? Ruining EC prices isnt going to help, and maybe people dont want to sell gear they like just to please you? You wont sell your gear either, so dont start with that. People dont sell stuff because they like it, you should know this, as for big trades... I do big trades every week x.x I dont know where your looking but I see trades all the time, I saw a row sold just the other day. But hey, im just a noob I guess

[hampy]

Just hire a few more EMs to host more events

[Googi]

This issue has been brought up before, and I see no reason why the problem of there not being enough event coins can't be dealt with by converting some of the "cost" of making an event item into diamonds. People would still need to get ECs, but they wouldn't need to get an unrealistic number of them.

Originally Posted by Butz

And that's a good price? I remember when diamonds were 25 p each.

Yes, it is a good price, and probably not that different a price from when diamonds were worth 25 plat each. The real price of a diamond isn't the raw amount of plat you need to buy one, but rather how much work it takes to get one. If the "price" goes up because platinum is easier to get, then the price hasn't really gone up.

[Butz]

Originally Posted by Googi

This issue has been brought up before, and I see no reason why the problem of there not being enough event coins can't be dealt with by converting some of the "cost" of making an event item into diamonds. People would still need to get ECs, but they wouldn't need to get an unrealistic number of them.

This is a much better idea than allowing a direct diamond to EC trade.

[Stephen]

These idea would be helpful if it was 100 diamonds for every event coin, but even then it's not productive.

My opinion? It's a bad idea.

[haunter]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

If there was an option of taking lets say 20-25 diamonds +large gold nuggets or something and making them into event coins this would greatly help out the economy of the server.

Throw a philosopher's stone, two drops of rainicorn tears, and a pocket full of hopes and dreams and I think you've got yourself something there.

[Gothika]

With you people it's always "Hire more EMs". No matter how many EMs we have, you all always want more.

[sage_scooby]

I dont see any problem with the ECs. I just bought 3 yesterday at 20 dias each. Sure I can't just buy 3 everyday, but the point is they are not impossible to get. Nor do I think they are even that hard to get.

[Draenin]

This will not 'save' the economy, but it will allow for some relief if there is not an increase in event coin distribution planned.

On principle, I do not like this idea because event coins should be specifically for events, but I can also understand why an increase in event coins is needed. I just don't think it should necessarily be permanent, because the unit value of the coins could possibly fall. I'm not sure if that would happen if the price is set to 20 diamonds per coin, but then you have to wonder about the price of diamonds. From what I hear, they're going up and the price could shoot up even more if you could easily get event coins using diamonds.

[Ravenblade1979]

As sam said only EM's will give out event coins...end of story.

And we don't need to hire more EM's. We current em's (My, Kyden, Proto, Sage and Fayt) already saturate you ppl with ec's. must be at least 2 from me a day unless i am out and how many do they give out on top of that. So don't tell me we need more em's. I was already sick of what you ppl did to Fayt his first few days.

I think Donny's problem is he's on at the wrong times or just don't pay attention to masses.

Can we close this one too. the idea was put out and ppl gave their opinions.

[Gothika]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

We current em's (My, Kyden, Proto, Sage and Fayt) already saturate you ppl with ec's.

We do. I know, You, Sage and Myself host almost everyday. And Proto does when he can. Kydens out of town but when he's here. He hosts aswell.
We give out enough Event coins.
I was able to buy 8 event coins in 3 days. I don't think it's too hard to get them.

[MajinDragon]

There are already a good number of EM's that host regulary so there isn't any need to bring in new EM's. Sure event items would be easier to craft but thats not the point, they aren't supposed to be easy to obtain, you need to work for them.
Allowing the crafting of event coins is a ludicrous suggestion, it would, in no way help the ecnomomy, it would just hurt it, tramendously. I might support the crafting of event coins if the diamond requirement were to be very high, like 100 as stephen says, making you need to fork out 10000dias (which noone has) to get 100 EC's, but still i don't really fancy the idea, Events would lose their meaning, most peole turn up to events to win those coins, making them craftable would lower the attendance rating, especially if they are just craftable with 20diamonds.

By the way, those items you are buying, they are for sale it's only that there is competition, especially for the dustari/pheonix shields. Achtung was selling Forest shield last night so you might wanna look into that and Ring of Wars are always going to be traded, just place a good offer.

[Crono]

GK's economy sucked ever since Plats were replaced with diamonds.

[sage_scooby]

Originally Posted by Gerami

GK's economy sucked ever since Plats were replaced with diamonds.

We have a winner!

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by sage_scooby

We have a winner!

*reachs in his em bag and pulls out a ec* who's the winner?