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well I dont feel like arguing anymore.
The nature of the stuff we have posted about
is such that no one can be totally conviced
one way or the other, based on empirical evidence.
It would require some sense of faith,
which is not a scientific concept beyond that
you sit in a chair becasue you have faith it will support your weight, and past succesful results based on sense experince.

The only way i would continue in making effort to
defend and further my case is if i had an audience
who at least shares some of the religious deterministic values
that i have.

Instead of a wall to bounce ideas off and recieve feedback if it seems that this has become a scene from DBZ,
with mental blasts of words being concentrated and fired in verbal attacks. Some of them make you say - wow what power, and some make you say - ouch, that was mean. I refer to posts from both Kai and myself.

It takes one of two circumstances to argue.
either two people, or one scitzophrenic.

I withrdaw from this thread and train of thought.