[Rufus]

holy nerd rufus.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

There is also not much changes you can without straying from the Classic perspective.

I don't get what you mean here, care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I also asked him about the server going UC idea, but he said that wouldn't be a good idea as well, which i can sort of agree with because of the fact nothing is happening on Classic now, and going UC would only reduce the will power of the current staff.

How would going under construction "reduce the will power" of the staff if it isn't there currently? Players attitudes are a large part of what kills the motivation of staff, and it has been like this for years. A lack of playercount creates a sense of wasted time in producing content. Going hidden would remove distractions, you don't have to entertain players, and you don't have to constantly develop short term where the focus should be long term content. You're not battling against two forms of development, therefore the direction should be clear and quality work should surface as you have more time to consider how it would be received, rather than just releasing it straight away as the players are bored and complaining again.

I don't really see how it is fair to the server itself in keeping it up if you don't believe that if you took it down, it would come back with no problems through the quality of your own content. If that was the case and the content is not suitable for a revival, the content should never be released to the public.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

People making the argument that players shouldn't have to have the thought of trying to contribute? This game was created based around the fact that it is all player created. Everyone in this thread could contribute something to the server, if you have this much time to complain.

No, the game was created in a way that you could contribute if you wanted to. In Graal The Adventure you did not have to contribute to development in order to enjoy the game that you paid for. The Classic tab servers are not advertised as a development platform, they're advertised as game servers and like Dusty and myself have already said, should be treated as such. Not everyone in this thread has the ability nor willingness to contribute under current circumstances, and they shouldn't have to either, but that doesn't mean that they can't voice their opinions on the bad direction that the current circumstances are under.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Yeah some things would happen with a new manager, but not much to preserve Classic. How many of you people would complain if some dramatic change happened to Classic that resulted in an old level being removed? You'd be furious even though it could be for the greater good. A **** load of people complained when Burger refuge was removed for an ice ring though that level was weird anyways. I tried suggesting a remake over of Supernicks to suit a centralized spar in Graal city since the more vital locations should be in the hot spot city, while quests and player created levels should be on the outskirts. Storm shot the idea down saying only Supernick can touch that place, which Supernick doesn't care for. I do agree for more quests, and thought about creating levels for that too.

That's what happens when you listen to the older players too much and develop your content based upon their opinions. While these players only turn up once every few months, the actual players of the server get ignored. There needs to be a happy medium, but in order to do that you need developers that understand what that happy medium is. Releasing a "Love" NPC for Valentines day, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. Releasing Bowling without any changes, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. The reactions show, the content is wasted.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I find it funny how Oni is complaining so much about Classic when he is a GC who is capable of helping the effort. He doesn't like to acknowledge himself as a GC, but he certainly hasn't came to Night that he wants to quit so Night finally figures out the GC team is suffering. Yes, events are a very important thing to Classic considering that's Classic's backbone right now for anyone's enjoyment. Classic actually averaged 20 ( Even hit a high of 33 people) people today just because the few active GC's were giving some enjoyment to people.

There's only so much that the Game Coordinator team can do. When you're battling against bad development decisions, how do you expect to retain players through your events? As players as well as volunteering staff, how do you expect people to even log on?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Right now, the HD is killing that enjoyment, but serverside HD was more of an inconvenience for us American players. I actually would prefer this over the serverside HD so long as I don't get hit from 20 tiles away by european players. No HD will satisfy anybody tbh. As for people complaining about the HD, default would be even harder for you guys in events such as CTF since you all are accustomed to the s-bash tecnique, and then you would ***** again.

Oh right so when the server was based in the US it wasn't an inconvenience for European players? Well actually, it wasn't because we still sparred, PK'd and played events no problem. I was able to hold my own quite easily when the server was in the US, so why can't Americans now? If the server was in the US (which no one actually attempted to directly get back other than myself) then nobody would be complaining. Instead we were lumbered with a horrible hit detection, great attempt.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

You have an RC on Classic. You are capable of handing suggestive ideas via RC to the active dev team as well as give critiques as well since you possess oh so much envy towards the players concerns. Hell you can even start doing your job on Classic.

That is not true at all. As players it is impossible to get ideas thrown in, people have tried. As staff it is the same way, and I know of a couple of developers who have had and some who still have this issue. It's not as simple as "you've got RC so go influence some things" because you don't need RC to voice your opinion, and you certainly shouldn't need to be staff. Aside from that though, what the hell is "envy towards the players concerns" about?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I also love it how particularly you guys have to single out Thor here. While i usually don't agree with him on some stuff, he is actually doing something for Classic whether it be good or bad, rather than complaining. Rufus, maybe you of all people should be a little more considerate for his work? You don't have to like it, but you should at least acknowledge it's different from the initiative any other Dev on Classic is trying to do. People were complaining about serverside HD. He took his time to make a new one, although perfect yet people still are complaining, even giving up his advantage over the more populated American players. I thought the map idea was actually a good one, though not a dramatic change.

Good content? Bad content? Who cares at least it's content right? What a stupid thing to say. Players on Classic have such low expectations of what the server could be and what potential it has. I honestly don't understand how people can say "he's trying his best" and similar comments and play for that reason. I don't play on games because the developer was trying his best when he made it, to then have a terrible game with terrible features that don't appeal to me at all. I play games because the developer tried his best and released a great end product that was fun and focused on what I wanted. That's generally the logic as to why anyone plays a game, so I don't see why the players of Classic have this watered down view of what the server can be like, but it is completely useless and gets the server nowhere.