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Originally Posted by busyrobot

There was hope for you then

And, what, I shouldn't have talked to you because the same isn't true here? Because there's no hope for you?

You contend you are making points effectively, I contend you are stating what sounds decent to you but has no actual factual or logical basis

Yes. And I contend that, although you say that in pretty much every post, you do not (and evidently cannot) show that it is the case.

However, not only does (2) of your own list mention clearly damaging factors happening to the community

Do you understand the difference between encouraging somebody to do something and forcing them to do it? In fact, there are many differences! One particularly relevant one is that, in the former case, negative consequences are not always immediately obvious. Whether or not Gryffon's actions have any direct, immediate effect on the community is impossible to say. But I can certainly argue that they increase the probability of bad things happening.

At that point, you want me to prove that Gryf's actions are acceptable and not harming/damaging the RP community

That would be nice. Although, as explained above, the latter would not be the same as the former.

Okay, then we have this quote of yours in regards to the harm Gryf is doing to the community:

Um. A precedent is something that precedes something else. The point isn't so much what has happened, but what might

What exactly are you trying to argue here? That irresponsible behaviour is only bad if it yields immediate negative results? Let's say I load a bullet into a revolver, spin the barrel and then attempt to shoot somebody. Fortunately for them, the current chamber is not the one with the bullet, so they remain unharmed. By your logic, is my behaviour acceptable?

there is no history of that happening in the last several years

Except if you include the "I AM DEMON RAR" story that was posted just a week ago.

Yes, there's no way for me to link that directly to Gryffon, but I don't really need to. If a kingdom leader is using a glamorous character to make him feel special then he is automatically encouraging everybody else to do the same. He's contributing to a disruptive tendency.

Not to mention that the very use of that backstory implies a distinct lack of RP humility. Anybody that wants to be the protagonist of an MMORPG needs to reexamine his motivation before he gets involved in a roleplaying event, let alone tries to lead anybody else.

And of course, you have used this argument a lot Understand that I am not arguing against new races per se. I am arguing against a lack of regulation, where players are free to invent those races for themselves.

You have said that Gryf is damaging GK by adding a race that affects all the players, and when that is challanged you argue that you are actually arguing that its a dangerous precedent, and not about gryf specifically, but about a lack of regulation

Uh, actually I'm arguing against them all. Like, at the same time. Yeah. One of my many talents is that I can hold more than one opinion at once!

As I said, I'm not against new races per se. That doesn't mean I'm not against Gryffon's race or the fox guy's race or whatever. It means that, if done properly, the introduction of new races could be something I support. There is no contradiction here at all.

The lack of regulation is a bad thing. It lets people get carried away with disruptive, egocentric roleplaying.

And Gryffon is setting a precedent. The dudes that want to be the Dark LizardMen of Al'Grat'Khur can point at him and say "hey, if he's allowed..."

You play the fence, when you get cornered you'll ask for people to pretty much provide evidence that they are not figments of your imaginiation before you'll accept anything they say, you flip, flop, you choose to relegate anything of relevance as irrelevent if it doesn't suit you, requiring grand proofs yet never offer any for your own arguments, you make the worst analogies in the world, then when cornered on them backpedal and claim they were 'parodies' of your opponents. You are a great arguer

You stalwartly march into threads with pomp and pride and not the slightest idea about what your opponent is saying. When he refutes your claims you resort to attacking him on unrelated matters such as the color of his hat. You make crafted assertions to support your case but refuse to back them up. You dismiss arguments, examples and analogies without even trying to prove them invalid. In the end, when everything is going wrong, you break out the psychoanalysis and attempt to blame the whole thing on the traumatising events of your opponent's ninth birthday. By this point, you've given up on debating and every post you make is a frantic, groundless insistence that you are right and your opponent is wrong. You are a terrible arguer.