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Originally Posted by Zurkiba

We're not enforcing ideas apon other kingdoms. You dont see Zormite as fishes.

Nor has almost anyone who plays GK, seen them as fishes in ages. That would be because they are not and have not been fishes, in ages.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

What we are doing is stating that what Zormite is doing is against the storyline, and against everything in the book in general.

The fact is this, Zormite is lazy. That is why they are not fishes.
Aki doesn't want to be a fish, yet she wants to be the leader.

You say that years of history has taken place. You ask us how we can ignore it. Well how can the current Zormite state ignore the fact that they were a fish kingdom? If they could be a fish one day, and the next day be human (in a literal sense this happened) then I see no problem with them reverting in the same fashion as technically the human part hasn't happened yet, they're still fishes.

They have been human for years, period, that is a fact. They have thrived and roleplayed and in general, been one of the better kingdoms on GK. There is no centralized Book of Graal and every kingdom has changed and developed over time. Sometimes graal has elves in the forest, sometimes its vikings, all that matters is that people RP decently enough and have fun.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

You stated that if Stefan and Unixmad wanted to, they could enforce the fish race on the Zormites. Apparently they dont care about the roleplaying community because they havn't done anything in the Samurai situation have they?

First, Stefan and Unixmad not doing exactly what you or I may think is the best thing for RPing....is not the same as them not caring. There are arguments they are not concerned with RPing, but regardless one thing is a fact; the actual staff have the first rank of authority, below that is the kingdom leaders, who are in charge of their kingdoms respectively. If the members of a kingdom dislike their leader and it causes long term problems, then its possible to ask stefan to step in at that point.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I found Nappa's comments to be fullfilling enough to answer your statements. Because you put down Nappa's comments gives us the right to say that you're losing this arguement because all of your statements have been solved with higher logic and better arguements.

No, you found his conclusions fullfilling enough, I doubt you paid any attention to his comments.

Because I put down Nappa's comments? He's the one who talks about smacking people, lol.

Here, is everything he has said, in the entire thread:

CP is dead. All kingdoms are dead. The moment GK was in decline was the day it was released. I can't say anything has gone up. Sure we started at a good level and it took a while to go down, but it did go down, and as long as the same people are running these kingdoms, we won't see any changes.

This is a good example of what I mean by nonsensical. "CP is dead." has no context. It is actually quite active, they just had an event with his own kingdom, forest. Then "All kingdoms are dead." tops even that grand statement, yet is meaningless. What does that statement contribute? That he doesn't like GK? Is Forest dead too? Lets get Chris to answer that, he may be more qualified than Nappa educate us on that. Or, we don't need to bother Chris, as its just another nonsensical comment.
Can we top that? Yep. "The moment GK was in decline was the day it was released." - now that is a big one. He even contradicts it in his next sentance, so what is the point of even making it? He goes on to say that it actually took a while to decline, but that it was steady. I think there was some good times with Charles and Larrien in the early days, and many more good times down the road, but I am sure you can agree that the Astri times were fun. Then he says "as long as the same people are running these kingdoms, we won't see any changes." - which is again, baseless. We have had a lot of leaders change out in GK, yet somehow Nappa thinks all he has to do is make the comment, and it is so.

How is that post, even vaguely relevant? It barely makes sense. Each sentance is geared to sound grand and final and large, but has no thought to content or basis.

I am not going to get involved other then talking about the fish heads in the Dustari thread, but I must say, as long as the same people with the same policies around - They will have the same problems.

That is fine, but if I recall he was warned by admins that he is spamming if he keeps posting the same things over and over. Then he makes the same comments about the leaders, and again he doesn't say anything about how to fix anything, just more grand comments that until the leaders are gone, all of GK will be cursed and doom and gloom will rule the world.

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I propose that the thread started in the dustari section be continued here due to it was closed for no real reason at all. Here, the Dustari leaders cannot close the thread.

Actually, the Dustari forums are not a place for the fish topic either, you would want to post that in the kingdoms forum. In fact, I believe there is at least a dozen or more threads where this exact topic was debate time after time after time after time and the only reason its is still being debated is that people can't accept when their ideas are not chosen to be used. Can you, Zurk, or anyone...imagine what it would be like if say, I wanted a change done - maybe I want forest to be vikings again - and if I just posted thread after thread after thread about it, declared all the leaders who disagreed with me unfit to rule repeatedly, and hijacked a large number of other threads onto the topic, just because I didn't get my way?

That is not a constructive way to work for anyone, and there is no reason that exceptions should be made for nappa or anyone else.

GZ: Yes, combine Zormite and Dustari. Pirates should be more like an 'official' guild, kill their island too. They can have the island east of Hotaru which isn't used anyway.
nappa: BY GEORGE I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING! No, seriously. This is the best thing I've heard in this thread. The second best thing below.
protagonist:
And I always thought you never had a brain. Hallelujah hallelujah the lord has come!

PLEASE DO THESE THINGS.

Nappa is entitled to his opinions here, but they are just that and not on the topic. As for combining Zormite and Dustari, I have already stated clearly the differences between the two nations. I don't support killing CP, but thats my opinion.