[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

That is a rather bad idea - people don't like to just drop a character they have developed most of the time. Please try to find a working solution.

Apparently people do drop their "characters" (if you want to call random PKing and running around screaming 'ne1 gotz 1?' a character) to join a Kingdom. Eventually if they want they will join an established family.

So just how did the Sagesun family grow? You want to know how the Warhare Family grew? The wife became pregant, her bomy took her to places.

How does a person join Forest? They're not human, they're elf!

How did Zurkiba become a member of Dustari? His parents were soldiers in the Dustarian army, both died in the Dustari-Zormite war, Axel goes running off in fear and confusion about his parents. Zurkiba searches for him (and various trainings in the sciences and spending time with a retired Warrior) to later return as an adult with Axel.

If I were to join Zormite and they were fishes, this is what my story would be:
I came over from the Castle on the old lands.

Amazing, see how complex and difficult that was?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I already stated that...its easy. Just try this: Zormite race settles civilization, they are zenophobic at first, but adjust over time, humans come to the land as traders, end up making up a large portion of the civiliation, and due to factors that don't affect the humans, the zormites steadily die off. The culture stays largely the same, until of course the republic was born, but Zen has documented that enough and I don't need to rehash it.

I asked for a logical answer...

Why wouldn't it be the 2k1 culture?.. and more importantly, why would they be assimiliated into the Zormite culture? We're not talking hundreds and hundreds of years here. It would be similiar to the Jewish community being assimiliated by American culture, it just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Zormite is a melting pot of humans that over time integrated into Zormite culture. They were at peace with each other and there would be no reason for 2k1 zormites to attack. Besides, 2k1 is totally dead/inactive...so maybe a plague or something swept that whole land, or maybe a moon of bomies fell on it.

Yet again, this wasn't hundreds of years.

We have all of the survivors of the metorite crash on the old lands settling in the new lands. This rules out billions of years of evolution and what not. The Zormites were declared a human state within the second week or so of Graal Kingdoms.

You do not know the story of 2k1 then. Just because a book is never read does not mean there is no story. In a roleplaying sense, 2k1 is very much alive. The nations are rebuilding after being scattered. The only nation that does -not- have to rebuild are the Zormites. The Zormites were the only kingdom which stayed, which left few reminants of the other kingdoms to merge and rebuild. Nation of Bellasera, Dustari and Pirates worked together. Malenth, Dustari and Samurai worked together (Dustari being dominate).

The Zormites only suffered a small food issue in their shelters at home and the two Emperors died. The Council of Elders would've selected a new Emperor and the Zormites would've grown stronger then ever without human competition.

So since you get to make up oddball roleplaying excuses
*launches the magical nuclear missile at Zormite and all the humans die expect the Zormite fishes*
Yey for me! The Fish reign supreme now!

Originally Posted by busyrobot

First, if Samurai was a vassal of the Zormites, there is the answer to your question: as you learned first hand, you can't make other nations vassals and expect them not to try and take you down first chance they get. During most of the time after you left GK, Samurai was pretty much considered a barbarian horde, a waste land without culture. It was the easiest way to explain the total lack of government or discipline.
Dustari and Zormite forged its alliance most strongly during the time that you yourself were attacking us both. Nothing like a common enemy to make good allies. You were a larger threat to either nation than either of us could be to each other. But I believe, under Charles' reign, we actually had some good relations with Zormite. But think for a moment - why are we allies with half the nations in the world today in real life? We were at war with Spain, with Germany, with Japan, with the British. You can hardly say that it is some sort of stretch for Zormite and Dustari to be allies. You yourself fault Samurai for breaking its alliance with you - when you forced that alliance on them...by means of war. You are really grasping at straws here, its insane to say that any two nations in GK can not ally no matter how many years pass. It has no room for the RP developments that have occured over that time.

If you would recall history, you would discover that my diplomatic skills broke up the Dustari-Zormite alliance. Why is it that when we invaded the Zormite island no Dustarians showed up? Why is it that when we invaded the Dustari island no Zormites showed up?

I was able to break each kingdom apart, and leave it the only grape on the vine. Then I plucked that grape. That was the genius of Astri.

Dustari and Zormite allied themselves dude to prior diplomacy. You dont understand that the Zormite Empire was a vassal under Dustari for like a year. Zyko revolted but he later died.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Can you quote them? I rarely see any relevance in any of his posts, they tend to be kind of nonsensical. If you want me to address something print it.

Then you are blind.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

So, 1) please come up with a better way than forcing a player to drop their entire character when joining 'your' version of zormite and coming up with a whole new personality.

Answered

Originally Posted by busyrobot

2) Reread my points regarding the 'band analogy' and tell me how you can still consider nappa having any say in the direction of zormite.

With your own logic you believe that Ghost Pirate shouldn't have any say in the Cresent Pirates, yes? You can not sit there and tell me if Ghost Pirate were to return that he would have -no- say in what happens in the Pirate Kingdom. That man created the kingdom, and that man stayed with the kingdom for years.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

3) Reread the very old posts where this issue was long ago settled, and when you are done, try to come back and be helpful and aid RPing in GK instead of hindering it.

The issue was not settled, that is why there are still "Zormites" running around as Dustarian Jrs.