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Originally Posted by konidias

I'm sure at least a few players saw it. If that were the case, they could have reported the playerworld, and Stefan could have taken 3 minutes to log on, see it, and shut the playerworld down/remove the offending material. This hardly requires an entire team of people.

Stefan has better things to do. That would just slow the progress done. Plus, we don't have to shut down the playerworld, we just clear it so the owner can get it back to normal ASAP and work through the details with them. This involved explaining what happened, why it happened, and how to prevent it from happening again.

Originally Posted by konidias

Isn't there some rule about working on more than one playerworld in the development field? I was pretty sure it existed, if it doesn't it needs to. People seem to think it's okay to make thing for one server, and then copy it over to other servers, without informing the manager.

No, it doesn't. There are over a hundred servers, and they can't all get development staff if there are roughly 1000-2000 players overall.

Originally Posted by konidias

You can check playerworlds for bad content without bothering the playerworld manager. Yes, I know of an owner that has complained.

Send him to me. Anonymous complaints accomplish nothing.
Also, it is the playerworld manager's responsibility to keep the bad content off. If he isn't doing his job, we step in.

Originally Posted by konidias

But that isn't your responsibility. That is the responsibility of the playerworld manager. You're telling me I don't know about IP ranges? Haha... that's rich.

Well apparently you do not, since you are trying to make fallable points about them and the rules regarding them.

Originally Posted by konidias

I think it should be up to the playerworld manager whether or not to have all IP ranges set. It's an inconvenience. What happens if the playerworld manager has an ip change and can't login to their RC? They have to wait for god knows how long, before one of the PWA are available to talk with, and then the PWA have to wait to tell Stefan. That is, if they get around to doing it, with their busy schedule of "nagging managers about setting their IP ranges".

Spark can change IPs. Duh. Remember? We're the guys who removed them? What makes you think we can't put them back?

Originally Posted by konidias

Because as far as I know, your "laws" are not clearly indicated on Graal.net. They aren't clearly indicated period. You expect playerworld managers to come and read these forums to see what rules they have to follow? Not to mention, the rules get changed constantly, so you expect them to magically know to come here and check the rules often?

Our laws are common sense. Don't upload pornography. Keep your playerworlds secure. Treat the players professionally. Not very difficult unless you are being careless.

Originally Posted by konidias

What business is it of yours to pay attention to the players? Aside from hearing their complaints about a playerworld's management, you really don't need to be pleasing the players.

If I am playing UN and someone starts cussing someone else out, then I will go to the local GP and tell him about it. I don't go to the manager. Besides that, we investigate the claims. If the managers can't be bothered to answer a few yes or no questions about someone, then they are being pretty lazy. Besides that, it is most often the players who are in the right, at least when I have done my investigations. The managers won't do anything because it is usually staff members doing the bad things when the players come to me. So what happens then? You think the average Joe should start messaging Stefan, asking for help in the matter? Stefan has important work to do, and he can't sit and wait for people to get ahold of him with questions and concerns, while we can.

Originally Posted by konidias

That is what the playerworld manager is there for. You SHOULD be working to please the server staff on each playerworld. They are the ones that need you, not the players. It goes players -> playerworld staff -> pwa. You also shouldn't leave the staff out of the loop when players complain about them. It's rather stupid.

We don't leave them out of the loop. The problem is, many of them think like you do, and are uncooperative when we ask them what happened. That automatically leads us to believe they did commit some wrongdoing and are being defensive about it.

Originally Posted by konidias

I mean good as in something positive that doesn't involve you flashing your badges around and enforcing anal rules.

Well, we inspect playerworlds. Also, people routinely message me to show me content and ask me if it looks classic/hosted grade, whether I thought that kind of content is acceptable to pass or not, that kind of thing.

Originally Posted by konidias

Yes, actually. I'm merely pointing out how Spark focuses WAY too much on IP ranges, and WAY too little on concerns of the playerworld managers.

I never get any messages from managers. Ever. So it's their fault for not looking a little harder if they really have concerns.

Originally Posted by konidias

Oh lord. Let's not go there. I wouldn't be charging people $100 for a server without allowing them to clearly know what risks and regulations there are, before they spend their money.

They know what the risks and regulations are. It says in the agreement that they have to listen to Linux Cyberjouers. That means if Linux Cyberjouers told them to shut down, they would shut down. If Linux Cyberjouers said to fire someone, they would fire someone.

Originally Posted by konidias

More like "We are the judge, jury, and executioner".

*shrug* Who else should be involved in the process? Stefan is very busy, and so is unixmad. I don't know why we should take up their time with relatively trivial matters.

Originally Posted by konidias

Hahaha... That hardly has anything to do with your job. You pay for your account just like everyone else has to. That doesn't mean you should get to command playerworld managers to do your bidding. You aren't paying to be a big bad law enforcer. Where on the other hand, the playerworld manager IS paying to rent a server that they believe they have control over.

I'm paying to be a part of the community, it just so happens that I'm a PWA member whose responsibility is to monitor playerworld content. Nothing is going to change with your untrue claims, you're just being a bother.

Originally Posted by konidias

It was a hypothetical situation. But thanks for proving that you're a hypocrite. Mister "false claims".

So now you're making claims up? Wow. Good job! Where did you take your debating lessons?

Originally Posted by konidias

Here's a suggestion. Why not discuss something with Stefan for a way to make things more fair? Right now it's an injustice. That's like saying nobody should have helped the blacks when they wanted equality in America. How about having the order that the playerworlds are listed be random instead of sorting it by playercount? Obviously a lot of people simply tend to go to whatever playerworld is at the top. It's clearly unfair.

It's nothing like that. What it is like is saying that since some people are very successful and some people aren't, we should make it so everyone is only kind of successful even if they don't work for it. That's communism, and anyway, you can't force players to go to servers because of fairness. If you try to, they will quit.

Originally Posted by konidias

I don't know why you're lazy, you tell me? All you've done is answer my opinions with your own opinions, so I don't see how you can state things like they are facts.

They are facts, because I'm in on the information and you're not.