[Lance]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Have you read the Zormite Constitution recently? Maybe you should re-educate yourself.

It wasn't for self-education, it was to make a point. You say a ton of things about other parties having the full capability to assume power if they disagree with your rule. But. These parties don't exist.

You see, I understood the limitations presented to me within the basic structure of the Kingdom system. It was designed to work strictly as a top down structure, a pyramid, where most power lies at the top with a few, and there is a king figure in charge of everything. Allowing 2 people with equal maxed rights without a parent rank poses a problem because then they are able to remove the other person if they get into an argument. I had always wished that the KGUI was updated so that there was an option screen, even if it was simply checkboxes, that would help to individualize how each of the kingdoms ran. So I wanted to change the form of government, to a Republic. But to have a republic under such a limited system designed for absolute monarchs, its obvious that a truly democratic republic would be impossible. Only a more repressive republic would be supported. If you really let the members vote on the new leader, how do you force that new leader to step down after their term is up? You cant, without staff intervention.

Right.

You know, we even tried elections a few times, tried to even schedule it for every 2 weeks I think, in the Archigos Assembly Hall. It didnt work.

But you can't have it both ways. Either you have elections and can use it as a valid point, or you don't have elections and can't use that to justify the name.

You completely missed my point. I had just explained to you that I was not refering to actual members of the kingdom from that time period when I used the term "early leaders of the Zormite Republic". And no, I was not refering to myself in 3rd person. I was refering to the story, which involves many more fictional people then there are that even plays GraalOnline.

There are many more fictional people in between when you were the monarch of Zormite and when you were the first selected dictator of the Zormite Republic?

Thats funny, I distinctly recall somebody going by "King *Tseng (Dustari)" for a time, and Zalinto Rahz believes *Tseng is what you almost always used as prince. I'm sure there are probably some other witnesses still around if they spoke up. *Shrug*

All I can say is that you must be remembering incorrectly. If it ever happened it was by accident and corrected within a minute. I was one of the most vocal advocates against such things - in fact, I punished and removed those who went on tag with their account name. "Set a proper nickname" was the warning.

The two people who I remember doing that frequently were Larrien and MarkB. Perhaps you're thinking of them, I don't know.

Strange, I recall mentioning "election periods" several times in my original post on the subject in this thread. I guess left you to assume too much there.

But they didn't work? So that's kinda moot?

Oh wait, I also said this:

Granted.

True, I made an unfair generalization based on my assesment of how you've reacted to only one instance of somebody using a background story to explain current Roleplaying circumstances. And then I posed a question. I appologize. I will make it more direct and focused.

"What is your problem with my use of a Background story to explain current RP circumstances in Zormite? While others on GK get away with far less thought out and/or much more far fetched RP background stories, you choose to attack one which was detailed, documented, and attempted to have a semi-realistic basis. Consider that the modern day real world consists of very un-liberal, oppressive, and officially Republican states.

I have no problem with it, except when it's contradictory as I already noted.

China (Officially 'The People's Republic of China')
North Korea (Officially 'The Democratic People's Republic of Korea')

As long as it works a certain way on paper, legally, that is what defines it. Curroption and/or abuse of those laws does not mean the legal structure becomes void.

Just because a nation decides to describe itself as a Republic does not denote that its populace enjoys a large amount of personal freedoms, or any at all.

Never said they should enjoy personal freedoms. Just said the name was inappropriate.

Furthermore, if your imagination is so limited that you cannot even accept a background RP story in a GAME which references to similar real life examples, why do you even bother wasting your time participating?"

My imagination isn't limited. See two points above.

What? You disagree with that assesment?

Nope.

I have no personal beef against you, either, Lance.

I'm glad, as that'd be nonproductive.

We just dont agree on this subject, and I guess we both stand by our own convictions rather passionately.

Indeed. I feel the name is inappropriate.

Originally Posted by protagonist

Grrrrr. So much ill logic.

I could not agree more.

Lance, Republic is not a title.

It's a form of government, like I said it was...?

There is no universal title system for any set of countries or governments.

What?

Republic is part of the name, just like Crescent is/was part of Crescent Pirates. Does that mean people think "OMFG THEY CALL THEM CRESCENT PIRATES! THEY MUST BE SHAPED IN A CRESCENT MANNER OR WE ARE BEING MISLED!"? I hope not.

There's a difference between a name and a form of government.

The United States of America. I don't see any reference to government structure.

Someone doesn't understand our government's structure.

Might be VT.

Does that mean that the government doesn't exist?

*g*

Same with Canada or England or any other number of countries; including the government structure is not necessary. Conversely, including references to government structures does not make that reference true. It is the burden of other people to realize the government structure, not the burden of the government to make its structure known to everyone. Especially to people not in the kingdom.

If a Kingdom's name makes reference to a government structure, is it not unreasonable to expect the structure of the kingdom to follow its name?

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

Neither are you the majority, lance;

I never claimed to be the majority. I merely claimed to be correct.

and yes, numbers do particularly matter in this case.

No, listen, they don't. The amount of people that believe a statement to be true does not affect the truth of the statement.

You claim that we look "EVER SO FEWLIHS OMGBBQ!111" yet we are not bothered by your claims.

So what? Perhaps you should be. Some of you are bothered enough to hotly debate this with me, when I am making one simple point.

As padren said, the people currently in zormite will speak out if they disagree with it, and as you can clearly see, none of us do. The only people at all who disagree with it are nappa and yourself, and possibly cyrin, i'm not sure.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, man. It's a matter of an inaccurate name.

You say we look foolish, but I personally don't give a goddamned crap what you and your goon think I look like

Okay? Your loss, buddy.

I don't know about the others but i can probably guess. So, since it is only Lance the Wind God and his faithful skydog Nappa who share your feelings, there is no problem, and Zormite is absolutely fine the way it is.

Hey, it's not like there was a minority who had the right idea about the shape of the world, or about astronomy. Oh wai...