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Frankie 05-17-2009 04:58 PM

staff massing
 
the amount of people who abuse their FAQ and ET tag to mass message buying/selling advertisements has really gotten out of hand recently.

there's even one person right now advertising PPA contracts while on ET tag. these people should be punished or have their tag removed.

cbk1994 05-17-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1491966)
the amount of people who abuse their FAQ and ET tag to mass message buying/selling advertisements has really gotten out of hand recently.

there's even one person right now advertising PPA contracts while on ET tag. these people should be punished or have their tag removed.

Right now there is a script that will alert RC whenever a staff masses on tag. I'll look through the logs of mass messages we keep and let them know. We normally speak with players as soon as they mass message.

But, I really don't buy the excuse that they "thought they weren't on ET tag".

Someone used that during a spar tourney once.
  • :seats
  • :in *click*
  • :in *click*
  • :start
  • :seats
  • :in *click*
  • <Mass Message: SELLING: 5x whatevers>
  • :in *click*
  • :seats
  • "oops forgot I was on tag ^___^"

Stephen 05-17-2009 08:28 PM

On GK if you send a PM which abuses the swear filter it will not be sent. If you can detect that a mass is being sent, you should be able to prevent it from being sent while they're on staff tag.

This way you give them a staff mass message tool, and if they abuse it you have legitimate reason to punish them.

DuBsTeRmAn 05-17-2009 08:30 PM

Ye its annoying :O

cbk1994 05-17-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1492028)
On GK if you send a PM which abuses the swear filter it will not be sent. If you can detect that a mass is being sent, you should be able to prevent it from being sent while they're on staff tag.

No, it's not possible. That's part of the default swear filter, which is not flexible enough to allow you to add checks like that.
Quote:

This way you give them a staff mass message tool, and if they abuse it you have legitimate reason to punish them.
Also not possible, PMs can only be sent using certain GUI controls, and it would go through the same process as a normal PM being sent, it just might look different.

Frankie 05-17-2009 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1492010)
Right now there is a script that will alert RC whenever a staff masses on tag. I'll look through the logs of mass messages we keep and let them know. We normally speak with players as soon as they mass message.

But, I really don't buy the excuse that they "thought they weren't on ET tag".

Someone used that during a spar tourney once.
  • :seats
  • :in *click*
  • :in *click*
  • :start
  • :seats
  • :in *click*
  • <Mass Message: SELLING: 5x whatevers>
  • :in *click*
  • :seats
  • "oops forgot I was on tag ^___^"

haha yeah.

*mass message*

OOPS I FORGOT!

I like the people that do something like:

"SELLING ---

OH BTW ANSWERING QUESTIONS :D"

Frankie9011 05-18-2009 01:23 AM

Alex *Cadet* (GP) (Sun May 17 17:10:59 2009):
Mass message:
offers on shipka

UnKnown Confusion *Trial* (Events Team) (Sun May 17 19:04:11 2009):
Mass message:
PPA is currently accepting contracts just type in /ppa or come down to our headquarters and hire an agent today.

Selling large sr house for dual deagles+something good.

Sigma (FAQ) (Mon May 11 22:04:16 2009):
Mass message:
Taking offers on MT

Just a few examples.

CharlieM 05-18-2009 03:36 AM

It's not always intentional to mass on tag, since it does the mass as a tag mass if you log on before someones clicked the bubble. It's stupid that FAQ's aren't allowed to mass because believe it or not the players that need the most help are the ones that don't know to check for FAQ. Surprise Surprise.

TSAdmin 05-18-2009 03:38 AM

Quote:

Sigma (FAQ) (Mon May 18 12:21:33 2009):
Mass message:
PM me if you own a souizen
Just got that one. I've not been on Era long enough these days to know exactly what a Souizen is, but I figure it's not something that will answer questions a newbie might have.

CharlieM 05-18-2009 04:15 AM

Its tachis current gang gun, there's only 5 tho so not sure where he planned to get one

cbk1994 05-18-2009 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1492106)
It's not always intentional to mass on tag, since it does the mass as a tag mass if you log on before someones clicked the bubble. It's stupid that FAQ's aren't allowed to mass because believe it or not the players that need the most help are the ones that don't know to check for FAQ. Surprise Surprise.

Eventually I'd like to have some kind of training course for new players that would teach them the basics. I think that would be a lot more beneficial than a group of FAQs, since, as you said, people don't know who to contact. That's not to say we should get rid of FAQs at all, though.

It's alright if you mass on tag, but it needs to be related to your job. The only time we've been disconnecting people is when it's not related because they're just spamming all the other players who may have disabled mass PMs. It's already annoying enough reading PMs from the few RC staff that send masses like that.

CharlieM 05-18-2009 12:09 PM

Okay, well it's changed then when angel was dev admin if you massed more then one time even if it was completely related you were going to be fired.

Aldaris 05-18-2009 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1492107)
Just got that one. I've not been on Era long enough these days to know exactly what a Souizen is, but I figure it's not something that will answer questions a newbie might have.

I believe he sent that message because Tachi is getting a new gun, and he wanted to collect all of the old ones and replace them with the new one.

I'm not sure how true this is, but when he sent the message both he and Motive were located at era_meph-duel, and that is usually where new guns get tested.

TSAdmin 05-18-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldaris (Post 1492146)
I believe he sent that message because Tachi is getting a new gun, and he wanted to collect all of the old ones and replace them with the new one.

I'm not sure how true this is, but when he sent the message both he and Motive were located at era_meph-duel, and that is usually where new guns get tested.

I imagine there's a Guns Admin for testing. "Testing" is quite a leap for a non-Dev staff.

CharlieM 05-18-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1492152)
I imagine there's a Guns Admin for testing. "Testing" is quite a leap for a non-Dev staff.

well meph is masas brother and masa is the gun admin, and motive made the new gun and leads tachi, I think motive made the souzen not sure...

DuBsTeRmAn 05-18-2009 08:53 PM

Smoke Irons *Trial* (Events Team) (Mon May 18 21:37:53 2009):
Mass message:
Selling
-PPSH
-TG
-Rare ww1 Amsel hat
-Rare Soviet helmet
-Rare Flaming Bennie
-Rare Feather hat
-Rare bobobo hat
-Rare Patriots hat
-Rare Carteles Sombraro
Smoke Irons *Trial* (Events Team) (Mon May 18 21:37:04 2009):
Mass message:
Someone pm me my list please

cbk1994 05-18-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1492141)
Okay, well it's changed then when angel was dev admin if you massed more then one time even if it was completely related you were going to be fired.

I'm just relaying what Squirt said. Angel really had no right to say that they shouldn't be massing, anyway. That's Squirt's area, and was even at that time.

Vman13x 05-19-2009 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie9011 (Post 1492088)
Alex *Cadet* (GP) (Sun May 17 17:10:59 2009):
Mass message:
offers on shipka

UnKnown Confusion *Trial* (Events Team) (Sun May 17 19:04:11 2009):
Mass message:
PPA is currently accepting contracts just type in /ppa or come down to our headquarters and hire an agent today.

Selling large sr house for dual deagles+something good.

Sigma (FAQ) (Mon May 11 22:04:16 2009):
Mass message:
Taking offers on MT

Just a few examples.

To be clear I was on ppa tag when I massed that out,and I didnt know that it switches over when you go on staff tag. Therefore it should be fixed because that is what causes problems. You cant be sure that everyone has opened up your pm,and then you go on staff tag and it becomes a red bubble and you get yelled at.

salesman 05-19-2009 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vman13x (Post 1492309)
To be clear I was on ppa tag when I massed that out,and I didnt know that it switches over when you go on staff tag. Therefore it should be fixed because that is what causes problems. You cant be sure that everyone has opened up your pm,and then you go on staff tag and it becomes a red bubble and you get yelled at.

If you massed before you were on tag there's no problem because it won't be sent to the people who have masses ignored and it also won't alert RC.

Pelikano 05-19-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1492326)
If you massed before you were on tag there's no problem because it won't be sent to the people who have masses ignored and it also won't alert RC.

Yes it does.
That's a problem Stefan has to fix, if you're a Staff and you mass (even offtag) it'll go throught the RC Block. (Atleast when you're in the Server Options)

Eclipse 05-19-2009 06:25 PM

You guys honestly cared so much about clicking a red pm bubble so much that you had to come on here and demand that they get fired or punished?

This is the reason i think era is horrible, because you staff act so stupid over the little things. why dont you stop worrying about a FAQ massing out and go finish "new era".

And for everyone who says "its annoying", honestly? if you get annoyed cuz you have to click a bubble you might have issues.

salesman 05-19-2009 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1492332)
Yes it does.
That's a problem Stefan has to fix, if you're a Staff and you mass (even offtag) it'll go throught the RC Block. (Atleast when you're in the Server Options)

Check what I was quoting, no it does not.

fowlplay4 05-19-2009 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 1492382)
You guys honestly cared so much about clicking a red pm bubble so much that you had to come on here and demand that they get fired or punished?

This is the reason i think era is horrible, because you staff act so stupid over the little things. why dont you stop worrying about a FAQ massing out and go finish "new era".

And for everyone who says "its annoying", honestly? if you get annoyed cuz you have to click a bubble you might have issues.

This is an uncommon problem on Zodiac but..

It's more so that the individual is abusing their staff tag for personal gain, not because it's annoying to click a red bubble.

Staff should be reconnecting before they go on staff tag to clear any masses.

SymphoniaPrince 05-19-2009 11:26 PM

Besides the point of the individual abusing their staff tag, this is just a stupid subject anyway. I agree with the person who said "stop worrying about a FAQ massing out and go finish "new era."

salesman 05-20-2009 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SymphoniaPrince (Post 1492465)
Besides the point of the individual abusing their staff tag, this is just a stupid subject anyway. I agree with the person who said "stop worrying about a FAQ massing out and go finish "new era."

The person who started this topic isn't on the staff team.

MysticX2X 05-20-2009 04:00 AM

I don't know why the thread creator is complaining so much if he was one of the people who used to staff mass so much, which weren't really era related or important, overriding the mass message ignore system.

Pelikano 05-20-2009 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1492413)
Check what I was quoting, no it does not.

Didn't read the quote, sorry

Frankie 05-20-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1492532)
I don't know why the thread creator is complaining so much if he was one of the people who used to staff mass so much, which weren't really era related or important, overriding the mass message ignore system.

I don't even have mass messages on ignore so technically it doesn't really bother me. to be honest I'm just complaining for the sake of complaining because this forum really doesn't have much activity so I bring up random stuff for the hell of it.

salesman 05-20-2009 11:33 PM

lol, somebody's gotta do it or else nothing would ever get fixed...especially the small things

DuBsTeRmAn 05-21-2009 10:07 AM

I don't care about those message's i get, But i do care about the fact that the staff's abuse their tag to make sure everyone read their msg

Pelikano 05-22-2009 08:58 AM

starts with massing on tag, ends with spawning katanas

CharlieM 05-22-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1493025)
starts with massing on tag, ends with spawning katanas

So far it's related to nondev staff, who can't spawn

Pelikano 05-22-2009 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1493046)
So far it's related to nondev staff, who can't spawn

Exolia also was only ET when he used to do so. Nobody listened to me, in the end he spawned 300 ECs, those were removed and he lost his ETA tag, but now he's ET again. :]

CharlieM 05-22-2009 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1493051)
Exolia also was only ET when he used to do so. Nobody listened to me, in the end he spawned 300 ECs, those were removed and he lost his ETA tag, but now he's ET again. :]

true I didn't think about that part, but other then EC spawning there isn't much a nondev staff can do

salesman 05-22-2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1493051)
Exolia also was only ET when he used to do so. Nobody listened to me, in the end he spawned 300 ECs, those were removed and he lost his ETA tag, but now he's ET again. :]

The worst ETs can do now is rig events, but I usually get loads of people pming when they suspect and ET of being even remotely unfair. Everything is logged, and if an ET tries to give someone more than 1 EC it alerts RC. No worries =p

Pelikano 05-23-2009 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1493139)
The worst ETs can do now is rig events, but I usually get loads of people pming when they suspect and ET of being even remotely unfair. Everything is logged, and if an ET tries to give someone more than 1 EC it alerts RC. No worries =p

I know that.
It's actually good that you're the ETA now and not some Tyler USD-kid, I mean wtf?

To the topic, another thing is that it's uber annoying to get PMs on RCs, even tho you have them turned off, appels just to Staff tho.

cbk1994 05-23-2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1493313)
I know that.
It's actually good that you're the ETA now and not some Tyler USD-kid, I mean wtf?

To the topic, another thing is that it's uber annoying to get PMs on RCs, even tho you have them turned off, appels just to Staff tho.

You only get PMs from staff with RC or people on tag; it's the same problem that occurs with players.

Frankie 06-07-2009 04:43 PM

I realize that it may be an accident while switching on and off staff tags, but I have mass messages off now so I can tell if it was an accident or not and the problem still persists.

DazJenova 06-07-2009 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1492113)
Eventually I'd like to have some kind of training course for new players that would teach them the basics. I think that would be a lot more beneficial than a group of FAQs, since, as you said, people don't know who to contact. That's not to say we should get rid of FAQs at all, though.

It's alright if you mass on tag, but it needs to be related to your job. The only time we've been disconnecting people is when it's not related because they're just spamming all the other players who may have disabled mass PMs. It's already annoying enough reading PMs from the few RC staff that send masses like that.

I had this idea for ages, so did Frankie if i remember correctly. We honestly should get that system done asap for new players instead of them logging on Era and having no idea what the hell to do.


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