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SwimChao 05-16-2009 11:12 PM

PK/Update/Feedback
 
Hi guys,

I've been thinking hard about some things we could do to encourage PKing/Sparring. A lot of people have been interested, and one of my ideas is as followed.

Gladiator battles:

It can be functioned in two ways.

First way, being at the end of the month for the top sparrer of the month. Number one and two can face off in a Gladiator arena and players will pay a small entry fee to get in. From there, players can make bets (much as the way you can in TC Spar now). Winning "Gladiator" will get their ticket, and the money from entry fees and betting will be filtered back to all the players who bet on said winner.


The second way could be done as a Guild event. At this point we have established our arena. We'd announce said Gladiator fight maybe a week or two before we do it. Guilds can elect their best sparrer(s) to enter. Winning Guild will get some undecided prize. Of course, spectating and betting will be done in this sense as well.


If we decide to do this, it will not interfere with the development of Seaport in anyway. It seemed like a bit of a fun event that we could do, and I don't know where else (if anywhere else) it has been done on Graal.

Feedback is what I'm really looking for. So please, please, please give me your honest opinion.

On a side note, another attraction at Seaport is being released sometime tonight. It is small, but will be incorporated in another attraction we're still working on.

napo_p2p 05-16-2009 11:24 PM

I had a similar idea, but instead the top n sparrers are selected each month as the month's champions. Then (based on the availability of the champions), a schedule is determined, and each champion gets a timeslot. Over the course of the fight event, anyone can pay a fee to challenge the champion of the current timeslot. If the champion wins, the fee amount gets added to their winnings. If the challenger wins, they get x percent of the winnings.

This way, players can be more involved.

SwimChao 05-16-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by napo_p2p (Post 1491859)
I had a similar idea, but instead the top n sparrers are selected each month as the month's champions. Then (based on the availability of the champions), a schedule is determined, and each champion gets a timeslot. Over the course of the fight event, anyone can pay a fee to challenge the champion of the current timeslot. If the champion wins, the fee amount gets added to their winnings. If the challenger wins, they get x percent of the winnings.

This way, players can be more involved.

We could do that too, this is just a rough draft of the idea I had while sitting on my couch.

We could have several days at the end of each month dedicated to doing these things.

One player dedicated,
One guild dedicated,
One sparrer dedicated.

Also, on a side note. There will be a rough lag rate that you have to meet to enter. I apologize ahead of time to people like BlobZ.

Hiro 05-17-2009 08:40 AM

how about you let me get the leagues going that i've talked to you guys numerous times about, that will at least promote the sparring more and give more incentive to get better. right now things are at a stand still, the only tourney worthy of entering is UTC and even that is lacking. it's time we got leagues going in the top half of tcspar, so we can use that space more efficiently - plus it'd be right near all the action.

i made a post about this very subject on the UN forums (http://forum.unholyserver.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1321) no one has responded, doesn't seem very active, or no one cares. ):

SwimChao 05-17-2009 10:11 AM

I've responded there. However, I'd prefer we leave our forum talk there.. and this forum talk here.

We're going to give the "Gladiator" some thought and come up with something to at least test, and tinker with.

MysticX2X 05-17-2009 03:12 PM

Bring back pause, and Delete some 300 irrelevant NPC's. Better chance of Pking returning. Trying to develop a new town still is a stupid plan considering people seldomly leave Town Center.

Elizabeth 05-17-2009 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1491943)
Bring back pause, and Delete some 300 irrelevant NPC's. Better chance of Pking returning. Trying to develop a new town still is a stupid plan considering people seldomly leave Town Center.

this

Hiro 05-18-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao (Post 1491924)
I've responded there. However, I'd prefer we leave our forum talk there.. and this forum talk here.

We're going to give the "Gladiator" some thought and come up with something to at least test, and tinker with.

you said you wanted honest feedback, so i gave you honest feedback, not to mention it seemed like the UN forum aren't active at all - pretty sure my thread would still have no replies too it if i hadn't posted here.

the gladiator idea, done the first way, will only piss people off. you win to be the top sparrer of the month for the ticket, then lose to the "number two sparrer" and then you don't get a ticket.

zephirot 05-18-2009 10:01 PM

Make tc non pk again, why the **** was it changed in the first time?

Elizabeth 05-18-2009 10:04 PM

agreed. it's so annoying when you're fishing in TC or sitting there talking or idling or whatever it is, and you're being raped by pkers.

Tigairius 05-18-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zephirot (Post 1492231)
Make tc non pk again

At least make it so you can pause.

Elizabeth 05-18-2009 11:01 PM

pause is even more annoying. people wait for the second you unpause so they can lame you. when you're walking; you're unpaused and pkers are chasing after you.

MysticX2X 05-18-2009 11:01 PM

That's what he meant. Making the overworld non pausable was one of the stupidest things ever. Streety kept it with the promise of "safe-zones" but he hasn't delivered on that. I have no idea how it stayed but there was apparently a vote to keep it, but I assume a majority consisted of BTK going on their alternate accounts to vote for it.

Crono 05-18-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1492244)
pause is even more annoying. people wait for the second you unpause so they can lame you. when you're walking; you're unpaused and pkers are chasing after you.

Welcome to Graal, it's been like that since a few years after you were born.

SwimChao 05-19-2009 12:48 AM

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you said you wanted honest feedback, so i gave you honest feedback, not to mention it seemed like the UN forum aren't active at all - pretty sure my thread would still have no replies too it if i hadn't posted here.

the gladiator idea, done the first way, will only piss people off. you win to be the top sparrer of the month for the ticket, then lose to the "number two sparrer" and then you don't get a ticket.
We'll scrap the idea then, and work with it some other way. The idea was to get feedback like this so I could understand if you'd like it or not. I was just spitting out ideas that came to head.


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That's what he meant. Making the overworld non pausable was one of the stupidest things ever. Streety kept it with the promise of "safe-zones" but he hasn't delivered on that. I have no idea how it stayed but there was apparently a vote to keep it, but I assume a majority consisted of BTK going on their alternate accounts to vote for it.
I'd still like to do this very much. We just haven't come up with an efficient way of getting it done. I'm guilty of somewhat sitting it on the backburner, but if it's that big a deal I'll continue to look into it :o

Elizabeth 05-19-2009 12:49 AM

what if you just put one of those little areas that have the see through roof when you walk in them in town center?

Ares 05-19-2009 02:06 AM

alright first of all get rid of 50 ep and 5 spar tokens as the prize for winning the UTC, 50 ep is absolutely nothing on UN and spar tokens have continually had no worth for who knows how long.. bring back the prize ticket award and chances are UTC will be popular again

for utctt, i wouldn't give out a prize ticket, maybe 100ep..

SwimChao 05-19-2009 02:20 AM

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what if you just put one of those little areas that have the see through roof when you walk in them in town center?
It's not as easy as that, sadly.

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alright first of all get rid of 50 ep and 5 spar tokens as the prize for winning the UTC, 50 ep is absolutely nothing on UN and spar tokens have continually had no worth for who knows how long.. bring back the prize ticket award and chances are UTC will be popular again

for utctt, i wouldn't give out a prize ticket, maybe 100ep..
We can definitely look into that.

MysticX2X 05-19-2009 02:38 AM

The ticket prize was the stupidest idea. Having any hat you destroys hat economy =/. That and 20 hats being released every holiday. That was the problem under Spryte's Management I believe.

I also suggest to bring back Nas' item trading center. Good times selling there.

xnervNATx 05-19-2009 04:20 AM

un has way..way..too much npcs, npcs such as firewall are way too lame.

LordSquirt 05-19-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx (Post 1492312)
un has way..way..too much npcs, npcs such as firewall are way too lame.

Firewall no longer works and it's disabled from what I can tell. I have one and it won't let me use it. SZ said I can exchange mine though

zephirot 05-19-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao (Post 1492306)
It's not as easy as that, sadly.

what

noplayerkilling;

is it really that hard? :\
Also TCPK is there for a reason.

unknown 05-19-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1491943)
Bring back pause, and Delete some 300 irrelevant NPC's. Better chance of Pking returning. Trying to develop a new town still is a stupid plan considering people seldomly leave Town Center.

pause only creates more lamers and idlers.
I have a lot of NPCs and I dont see much of a difference in my lag or speed. It gives players reason to play, to collect, or items to pk with.
Basically turn it into plain old classic...

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1492308)
The ticket prize was the stupidest idea. Having any hat you destroys hat economy =/. That and 20 hats being released every holiday. That was the problem under Spryte's Management I believe.

There are only 2 hat tickets released a month, and the players who sparred or did events all month earned them, IMO.

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Originally Posted by zephirot (Post 1492231)
Make tc non pk again, why the **** was it changed in the first time?

It was a majority vote, thats why, not to mention it was nonpk at first.

Why would Town Center (being an outside level as well) be non pk? That just increases idlers and people who chat. I am sorry but there are thousands of levels to go sit, chat, and lag up.

Someone pointed out "thats why TCPK is there"
It doesn't mean people don't want to PK old school with NPCs.

TC is fine, and the only people who whine about it have 100ap and sit and chat all day. Go in OSL or town taylor if you dont like it.

zephirot 05-19-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown (Post 1492351)
pause only creates more lamers and idlers.
I have a lot of NPCs and I dont see much of a difference in my lag or speed. It gives players reason to play, to collect, or items to pk with.
Basically turn it into plain old classic...



There are only 2 hat tickets released a month, and the players who sparred or did events all month earned them, IMO.



It was a majority vote, thats why, not to mention it was nonpk at first.

Why would Town Center (being an outside level as well) be non pk? That just increases idlers and people who chat. I am sorry but there are thousands of levels to go sit, chat, and lag up.


Someone pointed out "thats why TCPK is there"
It doesn't mean people don't want to PK old school with NPCs.

TC is fine, and the only people who whine about it have 100ap and sit and chat all day. Go in OSL or town taylor if you dont like it.

Because it has always been before that retarded vote?

xnervNATx 05-19-2009 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt (Post 1492327)
Firewall no longer works and it's disabled from what I can tell. I have one and it won't let me use it. SZ said I can exchange mine though

i see

unknown 05-19-2009 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1491943)
Bring back pause, and Delete some 300 irrelevant NPC's. Better chance of Pking returning. Trying to develop a new town still is a stupid plan considering people seldomly leave Town Center.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zephirot (Post 1492353)
Because it has always been before that retarded vote?

No, it was a pk zone when UN first came up, it was only made NONPK for a temporary time because of people who whined. Please review your facts.

zephirot 05-19-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown (Post 1492360)
No, it was a pk zone when UN first came up, it was only made NONPK for a temporary time because of people who whined. Please review your facts.

huh no

unknown 05-19-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zephirot (Post 1492367)
huh no

dude, TC was a PK zone when UN first came out, for a long time, then it became nonpk out of nowhere and was voted to change back to a PK zone.

MysticX2X 05-19-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown (Post 1492351)
pause only creates more lamers and idlers.
I have a lot of NPCs and I dont see much of a difference in my lag or speed. It gives players reason to play, to collect, or items to pk with.
Basically turn it into plain old classic...

No pausing only creates people idling to 100 ap so they cant be killed easily. It also detracts people from Town Center because they can get lamed with a ton of lame NPC's UN has oh so graciously made in the past couple years.

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There are only 2 hat tickets released a month, and the players who sparred or did events all month earned them, IMO.
Maybe some special hat, but not any hat they want.

Also Unknown, I remember TC being non pk for the past how many years until that change that happened 1 or 2 years ago where TC was made pk again. Then it kept being switched up from Pk to non pk to non pk only in one level, until Streety made it so pause was disabled and TC was pkable again.

This server has really gone downhill since 07 and the influx of hats and NPC's really helped to cause that.

Corp1 05-20-2009 06:12 PM

I'm in favor of anything that promotes actually playing the game. There isn't 120-200ppl a day coming on UN anymore...only 40-70ppl. So I like Streety's idea although I would add a team et brawl style event but with guilds...and doing that every weekend or so.

As far as tc being pk, there is no reason why it shouldn't stay pk...when there was a crapload of people on a few years back in did help that the main level was sort of a safe zone...but now with 50% or so less players Towncenter being nonpk is not necessary. I idled in towncenter for about 20minutes with 13hearts and no one even killed me; so its not 24/7pk haven. Sure there is a little bit of pking every now and then, but that's graal.

Ares 05-22-2009 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt (Post 1492327)
Firewall no longer works and it's disabled from what I can tell. I have one and it won't let me use it. SZ said I can exchange mine though

you mean my firewall ***got

LordSquirt 05-22-2009 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ares (Post 1492999)
you mean my firewall ***got

good times good times


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