Ugh, LATs...
 

Anyone else get people logging onto their servers asking to be "LAT Admin" and saying stuff like "I use online editor!" and "I work for such-and-such server!" but when you ask them for screenshots or example levels of their tile work, they got nothing?

They just keep begging to be LAT, and they have no example works... ugh...

*sigh*

Someone once offered me "dual bulldogs" on Era if I'd hire him as GP admin on Vesporia :cool:

Whatever happened to the old days of people who could actually email levels, or post them on the forums. All these trial-riders and era-gangsters want to be "staff" on a server without knowing how to actually do anything but login to the game...

I remember when I would release LAT applications for Era and then people would start asking me how to get the Era tileset. They should at least make an effort to learn the editor before trying to apply for a staff position..

Agreed, though it was pretty tricky before, I added a "Era Development Kit" to install packages in the start menu that makes it easy to use all three of the tilesets (summer, autumn, winter).

removetiledefs;
addtiledef;
addtiledef2;

are not THAT tricky..

anyways;

I mean, I guess I have a reason for being particular about giving an online editor access to someone I never met before... but I feel bad, because we were all scrubs once, right? Well, I dunno if I was ever THAT scrubly, I would have at least attempted to submit a level. :P

Heh, nobody worth hiring ever applies.

Wait. There's a finished online level editor floating around?

way 2 be ignorant
You have to convert the tileset to 8-bit (or tilesets),
then you have to update your file cache.

It's not as easy as most people think, but it's still amazingly easy if you know how to do it.
No, but Tig is making a nice one that's almost done. It's fully functional already, and it even works with 3d terrain (GK) and tilelayers, but he's still adding some more stuff.

wrong, around Dev servers there is a online level editor that u open by saying "/tile on" and other commands like "/show", "/hide"

So you mean, they have to know how to use photoshop and how to delete filenamecache.txt and restart their clients? *gasp* ;)

Shouldn't the tileset already BE 8bit? :whatever:

Dunno about the rest of graal, but I only use 8bit pngs...

True, that's the one I am using. Works good for tiling/detailing pre-generated levels. Thought, I think they are talking about a full scale editor, with NPC and baddie placements, and the ability to actually CREATE .nw files on the server.

Wouldn't that be nice? :)

I've noticed that many players use Paint to make things. It doesn't have the option of making 8 bit pngs. Because their images will work online, they don't understand why they won't work offline. I'm pretty sure a person with global access could put in 27 hours a day converting images alone for offline use :D.

Images (online) can be 24-bit (this allows for a lot more colors). I generally use 24-bit pngs for tilesets, but I also include an 8-bit version in an update package (along with a tileload level) for level makers.

Don't like online editors, they most likely cost money if it's not on a classic playerlist :p
working on an offline project like I've been doing with Crystia is way better

I wouldn't expect or ask a level artist to know that. Perhaps your expectations are too high.

No, why limit us to 256 colors?

8-bit PNGs don't support semi-transparency or more than 256 colors. I use 8-bit PNGs for the majority of images, but for a tileset or so, 24-bit is the way to go.
It would actually be really, really easy to do, especially if they made a PHP script or so to upload files to a directory for them.

It would be even be possible to totally automate it via a website, all you have to do is drag the PNG (or GIF as most of Graal for some reason uses) onto gif2mng.exe (in your Graal directory if you've downloaded it from the Login server).

I hate online editors, barely good lats around anymore

I once recieved an application from someone who had used my levels in their application. I miss those days too lol

happened to me once just with graphics XD

yes, people sometimes ask me if they can be LAT, or GAT, i just tell them to go bugg the manager :D, sorry if they've been bothering you HL!!

Merh, anytime I make something with mspaint (rarely) I save as bmp, then open in photoshop to transparify/save for graal usage. I really can't imagine someone making stuff for graal and ONLY using mspaint, since it doesn't have the basic ability to transparify images... MOST people I presume use at least ONE other tool to do this type of thing...

I guess my expectations being too high is why this thread exists. Maybe I should just hire anyone who can make a house with a tree next to it and a room with a bed in it...

Heh, I have never made a conventional tileset, mostly I make tile "sections" and use addtiledef2, and I can't really think of a reason where I would need to do semi-transparency...

There are many people that really don't have another option outside of MSPaint. Usually they are people newish to graphics work and Graal. If you ask any staff member on a server that does uploading though you will hear the same complaint. They get tired of having to check then set transparencies on most of the things received from players. If you're going for a job though you should at least have the ability to do it yourself. Although I've found quite a few people that still can't. I avoid trying to explain gif2mng since the name alone seemed to cause confusion with them.

Well, it wouldn't be difficult to create a program to convert MSPaint graphics to something suitable for Graal.

When i ask for LAT i ask for the email and the tile set they want used.


<3 LATing

Haha, At my server people don't only ask me to become a LAT Admin.. They spam with questions like:
''Can i be GP!'' - ''Can i be ET?!'' - ''Can i become the GPC?'' - ''Omg can i become a LAT, I rock!'' and many things like these, It is pretty annoying since most servers have a Hiring message somewhere and people can know which staff we are actually looking for..

I also had one newb which kept asking me everywhere to become my GPC, he offers alot of items to become a staff on a server which isn't even hosted or something.. Kinda stupid and when i tell him No he keeps asking, and when i said: Hey, Cross server trading is illegal.. Ask me one more time and i get a staff to ban you, then he finally shut up lol

Why not get the items, then fire him :D!

What he said probably never happened.

That is very mean Elk, And its illegal to do >;O

It's not illegal.

Cross server trading is illegal..?
You could see it as a trade, You give a item for a job..
(Oh and he offered me Era items and it is illegal on Era)

Yeah, I constantly got some guy called "BJ" asking to be LAT. He said he was good with the online editor but not with the offline one o_O When it sunk it that I wasn't going to hire him, he called me, well, a common racist word. Could be the same guy?