Ninja..
 

I think there shurikens should be taken..
They are free to stock for them, And buy-able with money while they are supposed to be special items for the EC Shop..

I understand they are Ninja's and the shurikens fit in their theme. But they should be gone from them, they should just buy them with EC's if they want them.

So you are saying they should be the only gang that has to buy their ammo from the Event Store... Not trying to sound mean, but really think about that. Thats one of the 2 items Ninjas can use and only 5-7 can use the katana.

I made them the same price as a box of uzi ammo and give exactly the same amount of ammo. It's not exactly unfair, expecially since they run out rather quickly, expecially with the 4 shot attack.

Also note, they are undroppable items now so they can't make a profit off it ethier.

Ninja always gets complaints.

Instead of shurikens, They can use a Kunai :) which they are able to stab people with, or they could throw them just like shurikens ^^

I haven't been on but does the Katana block bullets? If not quit your *****ing I heard GC say something about when on tag they can only use Shurikens and Katana.

They deseve shruikens. They CANT use any other guns besides katana and shrukiens. And only 5 people get the katana. So basically if you join ninja, u only get shruikens. So take those away and all u got is punching =x

They deserve what they have, but possibly the Ninja's shurikens can be nerfed to 18 damage, and the event shurikens can remain at 20 damage.

think about it thoguh, THATS all they get. No snow gun, no flak, no gernades, none ofthat stuff, the higher damage makes up for it imo.

Thats like me telling a gang to use the tera which does weak damage against a gang of people capable of using anything tey want to lame u before u can even get near them

Same with the Snow mittens they have been massed in huge ammounts and now people sell them for 100$ each... When you pay 11ec for them at EC shop. (What a wast of my 11ec.)

I think they should keep the shurikens, because it would blow the theme to **** with ninjas using guns


And the only ninja's that will get katana's are..... Soul family members.



Oh and I guess ill add, What was the point of people applying for a gang?

ALS ended up winning, yet the "theme" was not good enough so it was turned to ninja?

The theme was a fuking school, do you wanna defend that? Seriously.

I personally think that the price of shurikens needs to increase for Ninjas, and decrease in the EC shop (200-300 per EC instead of 100). When I've mentioned this before, I've heard "why should they have to pay more than regular ammo?" and similar things. Keep in mind that shurikens are equal to the stats of just about the best weapon, possibly even better, firing over 10 per second (or somewhere around there, I haven't checked). The shurikens have a four-shot spinning attack, which can be used to hurl four shurikens in one direction to hit nearly anyone. The shurikens do not require you to purchase a gun, and you do not need to reload.

I think this justifies raising the price.

I also believe that shurikens are non-droppable to prevent Ninjas from purchasing them for next to nothing and selling them for a large profit. I could be wrong, however.

Yes, it does block bullets, approximately 60-70[percent] of the time, but players cannot move, fire grenades, etc while blocking.
I find it funny how completely un-creative the name of the Ninja gang is.

Yeah I do agree with chris here the part where the Shurikens should be cheaper in the EC shop, I should ask Deo about this ^^

Then why was it made over the others in the first place?

Different Admins different opinions obviously

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About flipping time you guys fixed that.

Though i agree Ninja is a totally uncreative name, it's what they wanted as a name, so eh. I guess they wante the name because people look at it and recongize it as soon as they see it. I just wanted the theme, I could careless about the name as long as it's not two random words stuck together like most gangs are.

As for the shurikens, I totally disagree with you. The fact you are saying they need to cost more because they are "so powerful" is a crappy arguement. If anything I think the shuriken themselves need nerfed down to 18 damage and the katana is what needs buffed. The Shurikens are by far the most dangerous weapon they have and Masa is having a hard time balancing the katana when it relies so heavily on the shuriken damage, so if he buffs the damage on the shuriken for the katana it buffs the damage on the shurikens by themselves and the shurikens by themselves have all those fancy attacks and more firerate than the katana's.

Basically the shurikens need nerfed a tad and stay at the 8g or 10g cost and the katana itself is what sucks right now which people don't really realize till they try it out. The shurikens are much much better.

Also, I don't think they should be cheaper at the event store. It's up to the player if they want to buy them for EC's, no ones forcing them to. Maybe give a tad more for the EC, but not a lot. You have to keep in mind these are the only 2 weapons they are allowed to use.

It's not like people win every damn event thats being hosted and then they go and what can they spend it on really? there are just a few different alternatives

The Katanas/Shurikens are ridiculously hard to balance, given the expectations:
- Only 7 Katanas are allowed
- Ninja can ONLY use the Katanas or the Shuriken

This being said, besides 7 Ninjas, every other member has to use shurikens. They physically cannot use any guns whatsoever.
When they're against other gangs that are able to use any gun(including PBP, Crizens, etc), they are put at a disadvantage. Not to mention they don't have the over-the-wall-firing convenience of an SD-Cannon or AC.

Stat-wise, it's really easy to either put them at a disadvantage by limiting them to shurikens with a reasonable firerate, or put them at an over-the-top advantage by making the shurikens ridiculously fast.
Throw in the katana, then you have another parameter to deal with.
Because seven of them have powerful katanas, should the rest of the gang be punished with a slowed-down shuriken? If the shurikens are fast, should the katana be slower and less damage? Because they're only limited to those two weapons, should they all be allowed a katana?
If one of their only weapons is allowed in the event shop, should it have better stats if they're on Ninja tag?
Any decision would warrant a complaint. You can't please everyone.
Currently, nobody is pleased.

Ninjas: These shurikens and katanas suck! We need more shuriken speed and the stun feature added back to the katana!
Everybody else: Their shurikens and katanas are too strong. You need to nerf them because they're too fast and too powerful!

Realistically, it's completely circumstantial.
They're fine in closed areas and when the ninjas outnumber the other gang, or where the opposing arsenal doesn't consist of SD cannons, PBP shotguns, Crizens, etc.
Otherwise, they're at a disadvantage.

The logical(and perhaps the most controversial) option would be to give each gang their own tailored arsenal and limit them to those weapons only. This would not only make each gang a unique, theme-identified unit, but it would add a more "turfy" feel to gangs. It could also give people more incentive to join a gang, perhaps even be more loyal to the gangs they're in. Not to mention, it would be much easier to balance.
The con, of course, would be how to get to that stage. That would require pretty much every gun on the market to be deleted, and new guns to take its place.

Don't be misled into thinking that I'm suggesting this, but given the current situation, the playing field could only be soundly level with this solution. The alternative, of course, would be to completely scrap the Ninja idea and revert back to ALS.

Personally, I'm for GC's gang idea.

Am I the only one here who would easily use 20 damage shurikens over a gun?

I was using them, but I ran out of ECs...they rape anything in small areas
like ninja's base

I personally think shurikens need to be 18 damage and the katana is the item that needs buffed in some way because honestly the shurikens plus an axe is way better than the katana currently because you can use the 4 direction attack and it's faster fire rate.

But yeah, my gang idea combined with Angel's rocks socks.

I would use shurikens over guns because I like the way to fight with shurikens, but my experience from fighting ninja theese last couple of days, I don't see how people can say the katanas and shurikens are overpowered really.

The katana is easy to run from, and the shurikens are just like normal bullets but they are a bit more "star looking" ^^

agreed Andre. It depends how and where your fighting ninja. In close combat, ninja will pwn. But in open levels or big bases, they have no chance unless they have some good planning. So if your getting pwned by the katana, step back and check how your attacking ninja and change it up. I dont mind fighting 1 ninja because i just "Run and Gun." They try to chase u with a katana and all u gotta do is shoot a little, move a little bit more back, shoot, move back, etc..

If they can't use other guns on tag, then their weapons are fine.

People were using their katana's in a regular KoTH today. Therefore, I'm guessing it's no longer needed to be on tag to use it

That or its not scripted to be a special tag yet. its possible it was scripted for an ontag event and not a special one

I originally taglocked it at the request of Deophite.

GC (Morgrim/Gangs Admin) requested it to be un-taglocked.

Personally I think it should remain taglocked. I'll talk to Deophite.

Shouldnt the manager have overall say on this...?

It's what happens when you have multiple admins just a minor glitch nothing major most likely geo and deo don't get on at the same time or something

Yes, and I talked to him and it has once again been tag locked.

Not being able to use other weapons while on tag is no way a disadvantage. Why would they even want to use other guns when the shurikens and katana are OP?

They can basically only use shurikens though...

If you think about it though, they are basically paying $8 per EC.

After all, each EC gives you 100 shurikens, and each $8 gives you the same product if you're a Ninja.

You havent tried the katana before, most people who have believe it sucks. The shurikens I agree however need nerfed damage wise.

But yeah, it's a huge disadvanatge considering they cant use any over the wall gun or high damage weapons such as the crizen, etc.

That orb that they have is absolutely ridiculous. It's basically 75+ guaranteed damage once they inflict you with it.

Plus you can glitch to where there's no freeze with shurikens.

Kudos.

The shurikens yes they are good but on ninja tag you cannot : Use other guns.
Also. You cannot drop the shurikens Nor trade them ect. Also i have herd that people "recruiters" MIGHT leave the gang because they cannot use guns.

I dont see why they would leave the gang, If I were in ninja I would use shurikens over a gun, and wouldnt ***** and whine.

Ninja's shouldnt be able to use guns, it would ruin the theme.

and I dont see why recruiters would leave over not being able to use guns.