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kia345 03-23-2008 04:10 PM

Happy Easter
 
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Usually the door's open a few days earlier, or at least the eggs are out for a whole week, so we had a flight of activity the holiday week of people scrambling around for eggs.

There were 17+ people on last night. Not because there was an event being hosted; there wasn't. And not just to be near my devilishly attractive pixels. They were expecting something for Easter. Do we get that something?

BigBear3 03-23-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381755)
Usually the door's open a few days earlier, or at least the eggs are out for a whole week, so we had a flight of activity the holiday week of people scrambling around for eggs.

There were 17+ people on last night. Not because there was an event being hosted; there wasn't. And not just to be near my devilishly attractive pixels. They were expecting something for Easter. Do we get that something?

NICE ZSOH

Noobie8205 03-23-2008 04:22 PM

Way to fail again Bjorn. Only person I herd anything from about an easter event was Stephen, though even at that time he alone was working on something and had already said Bjorn's lazy @*& once again let everyone down and failed to do his job.

xAzerothx 03-23-2008 04:28 PM

Denied!

jonnyrocks2 03-23-2008 04:55 PM

Smooth one, Bjorn. x.x

grawlgamer 03-23-2008 05:53 PM

So I'm guessing there isn't anything for Easter? It'd be nice to get it before my subscription runs out.

Ravenblade1979 03-23-2008 05:54 PM

Don't blame bjorn. He's too busy IRL to know if anything was going to happen. Stefan was apparently supposed to do something but Bjorn knows nothing. We can host normal events all day but thats about all.

cbk1994 03-23-2008 05:57 PM

Get someone to set serverr.iseaster

kia345 03-23-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1381777)
Don't blame bjorn. He's too busy IRL to know if anything was going to happen.

If he's the admin, he doesn't get the option of saying "I'm busy". It's his job to at least show up on Gk and say "We're working on something" to keep us enticed. If he can't even do that, we need someone else, someone willing to not just show up, but show up actively and give the appearance of enjoying what they're doing.

As for Stefan, it's quite clear he doesn't care about Gk. Kingdoms isn't making them money.

Spoiler: It's not making money because he's not making content.

Elizabeth 03-23-2008 06:06 PM

Happy Easter! (:

dNeonb 03-23-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1381779)
Get someone to set serverr.iseaster

That's not it actually.
Maroku and I quickly made some stuff that there is at least something. I had some free time between my book analysys meetings.


kia345, of course I get to say that and my graduation is actually more important compared to anything else. so I actually do not care about what you said about not having an option to say that, because I do. I was on no vacation or anything during the last years that would have interrupted something I do and now I'm taking this freetime it alltogether. if this is a problem for you so be it.

kia345 03-23-2008 07:10 PM

It's a problem with me because I expect someone to do their job. If they can't handle it because of studies, good for them, but they still have a job to do. If you can find time for Kingdoms, if you can't make the time, it's time to step down.

cbk1994 03-23-2008 07:17 PM

I agree, you really can't say that you don't have time. If you don't have time to do your job, leave and get someone else to do it.

Elizabeth 03-23-2008 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1381795)
kia345, of course I get to say that and my graduation is actually more important compared to anything else. so I actually do not care about what you said about not having an option to say that, because I do. I was on no vacation or anything during the last years that would have interrupted something I do and now I'm taking this freetime it alltogether. if this is a problem for you so be it.


this is a problem for everyone, and its your job, if you cant be on graal to do things for easter, then quit your job.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-23-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1381795)
I had some free time between my book analysys meetings.

We don't care about your personal life.

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1381795)
my graduation is actually more important compared to anything else.

We don't care about your personal life.

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1381795)
so I actually do not care about what you said about not having an option to say that, because I do. I was on no vacation or anything during the last years that would have interrupted something I do and now I'm taking this freetime it alltogether. if this is a problem for you so be it.

That's why we don't care about your personal life.

There's no excuse for no work being done. This is a business. We pay to play. From what I understand, you serve as a volunteer for this business, so it is your responsibility to make things happen. If you're to be gone, maybe someone else should have your responsibilities.

This is a problem for everyone.


(WHY THE HELL DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT OURSELVES SO OFTEN?! DO YOU LACK THE INTELLECTUAL CAPABILITIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT GK IS DYING, AND IT'S YOUR JOB TO FIX IT?!)

Pimmeh 03-23-2008 08:22 PM

Ok Ziro, you are being really rude!
I work in several projects, and most people actually understand that my graduation comes first! Why the hell do you assume that Graal could be more important then Real Life? I understand Björn in this case, but I still dont understand the complete lack of updates on GKs side.

And flaming someone will not help at all, Ziro, try to cool it on the offending

Elizabeth 03-23-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1381808)
(WHY THE HELL DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT OURSELVES SO OFTEN?! DO YOU LACK THE INTELLECTUAL CAPABILITIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT GK IS DYING, AND IT'S YOUR JOB TO FIX IT?!)

exactly. gk is dying and you dont care

Googi 03-23-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381780)
Spoiler: It's not making money because he's not making content.

Arbitrarily adding content probably isn't going to help attract new players, and adding content for old players definitely isn't going to help attract new players.

jonnyrocks2 03-23-2008 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1381819)
Arbitrarily adding content probably isn't going to help attract new players, and adding content for old players definitely isn't going to help attract new players.

Needs more advertisement, needs more things to do...Basically a little bit of everything. ;)

kia345 03-23-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1381819)
Arbitrarily adding content probably isn't going to help attract new players, and adding content for old players definitely isn't going to help attract new players.

Look how often Zone updates. Look at the content. Stefan cares about Zone, it gets updates and has been made with the player's enjoyment in mind. Whereas Gk doesn't have any of that flair that would attract people. There's nothing to amount to because we've seen all Gk has to offer after about a month. If they brought in new stuff, anything, at least a decent monthly update, worked on quests, worked on a way to change the game, there would be a reason for someone to log on and say "Hey, here's something new and exciting" rather than "Hey an npc has been re-released after 4 months, let's use it and then get bored".

Googi 03-23-2008 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381828)
There's nothing to amount to because we've seen all Gk has to offer after about a month.

Do you really think players are exhausting all of GK's content? Do you have any idea how tiny the percentage is of players who actually ever become strong enough to do a brutal or immense map is?

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381828)
If they brought in new stuff, anything, at least a decent monthly update, worked on quests, worked on a way to change the game, there would be a reason for someone to log on and say "Hey, here's something new and exciting" rather than "Hey an npc has been re-released after 4 months, let's use it and then get bored".

Actually, it would be like "Hey, here's something new and exciting, let's do it for a day and then get bored".

kia345 03-23-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1381829)
Do you really think players are exhausting all of GK's content? Do you have any idea how tiny the percentage is of players who actually ever become strong enough to do a brutal or immense map is?

"Ocool, randomly generated maps that have monsters that are, surprise surprise, the same as the ones in every other map like this! Let's kill them and level up, which will in no way change the game play!"

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Actually, it would be like "Hey, here's something new and exciting, let's do it for a day and then get bored".
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Originally Posted by kia345
If they brought in new stuff, anything, at least a decent monthly update, worked on quests, worked on a way to change the game


Googi 03-23-2008 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381833)
"Ocool, randomly generated maps that have monsters that are, surprise surprise, the same as the ones in every other map like this! Let's kill them and level up, which will in no way change the game play!"

Put it in those terms if you want, but there are grinding games out there that pull in huge numbers of players. The point wasn't that maps are "good" content (though I should point out that for the purpose of what we're talking about "good" is defined solely by ability to attract players, not by how "fun" you deem it to be) but merely that the idea that the problem isn't that Graal Kingdoms doesn't have enough content and that players are running out of content to play. If there's a content problem, it's that GK has the wrong content, and adding more of the wrong content isn't going to help. I also wanted to point out to people who think that adding stronger monsters is a solution that stronger monsters is something that wouldn't affect very many players.

By the way, maps were pretty popular for a pretty long time and the first few times I did brutals/immenses, they were quite a challenge.

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381833)
If they brought in new stuff, anything, at least a decent monthly update, worked on quests, worked on a way to change the game

Are you trying to say that interest in updates only lasting for a few days to a week at most isn't a problem if they happen once a month?

As for quests, traditional quests are a huge waste of development time and largely getting rid of them was one of the best moves GK, Zone, Zodiac, etc. have made. Traditional quests take a huge amount of time to develop and players play them for a few hours at most.

"Changing the game" is something that would actually work, but requires knowing exactly what way of changing it is going to be effective.

Ravenblade1979 03-24-2008 03:39 AM

Zone is making money because people play it. Its a simple shoot em up game. Very easy to update and make more stuff for. Gk is far harder to get stuff for and they just aren't selling the gelats on it like they are on zone and I doubt they would ever sell gelats like they do on zone.

kia345 03-24-2008 03:41 AM

People play it because it's worth playing.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-24-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
Ok Ziro, you are being really rude!

I'm being completely rational.
Under the circumstances, my attitude should be expected.

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
I work in several projects, and most people actually understand that my graduation comes first!

That's great. Hope your graduation goes well.

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
Why the hell do you assume that Graal could be more important then Real Life?

Why the hell do you assume that's my belief?

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
I understand Björn in this case, but I still dont understand the complete lack of updates on GKs side.

Isn't Bjorn the one responsible for the lack of updates?
Every looks to him as a sort of server manager... Tell me if I'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
And flaming someone will not help at all

It could help. Nothing else seems to be working.

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1381810)
Ziro, try to cool it on the offending

I'll try. But I'll likely feel the urge to continue once GK's activity falls again soon.

Elizabeth 03-24-2008 04:26 PM

hhhhhhaaaaapppppyyyyyy eeeeeaaaaasssssstttttttteeeeeeerrrrrrr.
easters over.
+ tig & stephen were the only ones who did anything for it.
bjorn shouldnt be doing his job if hes too busy with life.

Ravenblade1979 03-24-2008 05:14 PM

Bjorns busy studying for two upcoming exams and graduation Elizabeth...excuse him for wanting to pass his exams.

I didn't like the egg dungeon. It drained my mana just killing one of the smaller egg monsters...although I usually had enough left to kill all the smaller ones.

xAzerothx 03-24-2008 05:20 PM

If his exams are more important this his work for Graal Kingdoms he should step down and let other people handle it.

Sam 03-24-2008 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xAzerothx (Post 1382006)
If his exams are more important this his work for Graal Kingdoms he should step down and let other people handle it.

This is still something Unixmad and Stefan have to decide, not the community.
Björn is not blocking a staff position. IF there is somebody else able doing a good job, Stefan will hire him/her in addition to björn.

lordbosh 03-24-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1381999)
I didn't like the egg dungeon. It drained my mana just killing one of the smaller egg monsters...although I usually had enough left to kill all the smaller ones.

Wuss!:D

I got owned by them even when wearing ultimate gear. Thats the way a new dungeon should look since everyone is able to hit level 110 with rubies and wear +12 gear.

I loved it, its not often that a giant painted egg stomps my face into the ground.

Switch 03-24-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1381797)
It's a problem with me because I expect someone to do their job. If they can't handle it because of studies, good for them, but they still have a job to do. If you can find time for Kingdoms, if you can't make the time, it's time to step down.

This isn't a job that pays. Why should he care if the players like it or not before vacations and stuff?

Elizabeth 03-24-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xAzerothx (Post 1382006)
If his exams are more important this his work for Graal Kingdoms he should step down and let other people handle it.

eeeexactly.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-24-2008 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1382083)
eeeexactly.

QFT!!!!!!11111one

xAzerothx 03-24-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch (Post 1382040)
This isn't a job that pays. Why should he care if the players like it or not before vacations and stuff?

If he doesn't care about the players and cares more for his personal life he should let someone else handle his job.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-24-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1382031)
This is still something Unixmad and Stefan have to decide, not the community.
Björn is not blocking a staff position. IF there is somebody else able doing a good job, Stefan will hire him/her in addition to björn.

This is where the blame starts to head toward the higher ups- basically just Stefan.

However, the blame should not be moved up further untill you're sure the person currently being blamed has done everything he/she can do.

Obviously, Bjorn has the ability to say "I'm going to be busy, Stefan, you should have someone temporarily take care of my responsibilities." (which would also serve as a means of "testing" out potential promotions. hey, Tig, how's it going?)

When he gives enough reason to show he's done everything within his power, and there's nothing more he can do, then it's time to go up to Stefan. I doubt that'll ever happen though. We're talking about a guy who claims it's impossible to fix the "bug" of monsters killing idlers in the trade room.

kia345 03-24-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1382031)
This is still something Unixmad and Stefan have to decide, not the community.
Björn is not blocking a staff position. IF there is somebody else able doing a good job, Stefan will hire him/her in addition to björn.

No, this is exactly the kind of thing the community should decide. You can't leave some inadequate (not saying Bjorn is, but yeah) to try and manage the server we call home, the server Stefan and Unixmad don't care about.

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Originally Posted by Switch (Post 1382040)
This isn't a job that pays. Why should he care if the players like it or not before vacations and stuff?

Because it's his job. He took it by choice, he chose to make Kingdoms his responsibility.

Ravenblade1979 03-25-2008 02:30 AM

Granted Bjorn has a responsibility to the server for his job but why aren't you attacking Stefan. As is Stefan is a higher staff member then Bjorn and he's barely around on GK to do anything. He's more into upgrading zone...why? Well because its making money where GK isn't. So I gather that Stefan has lost the reason to really be working on it.

Bjorn has two major exams that he has to study for. he just can't drop it to please a few people who sit idle in trade or don't even play at all. From his point of view this takes a back burner until after graduation. I would think that everyone of you would be like this too if in the same position.

I am not saying he doesn't do stuff for Gk..he just does it when he has a moment.

kia345 03-25-2008 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1382194)
Bjorn has two major exams that he has to study for. he just can't drop it to please a few people who sit idle in trade or don't even play at all. From his point of view this takes a back burner until after graduation. I would think that everyone of you would be like this too if in the same position.

God forbid he do his voluntary job!

Ravenblade1979 03-25-2008 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1382198)
God forbid he do his voluntary job!

quoted for sarcastic values.


Ok lets put you in bjorn shoes and see if you have time to devote to the server. He still does do stuff just not as much as people would like.


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