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theHAWKER 09-02-2007 06:32 PM

Graal 3D question!
 
Just wondering, could it be posible for graal 3D to go First Person Shooter!?

I think that would be great for upgraded 2D player worlds like Era.

Or just a first person slasher (I.E. oblivion).

xXziroXx 09-03-2007 04:55 AM

I still say Graal will fail miserably once Graal 3D is released, the whole charm about Graal is that it's 2D.

But hey, that's MY oppinion.

However, Era as 3D? Oh please, go buy CS:S or something instead.

UberModeKappa 09-03-2007 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER (Post 1345321)
Just wondering, could it be posible for graal 3D to go First Person Shooter!?

I think that would be great for upgraded 2D player worlds like Era.

Or just a first person slasher (I.E. oblivion).

I'd see era as a third person shooter.

Horrified 09-03-2007 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1345411)
I still say Graal will fail miserably once Graal 3D is released, the whole charm about Graal is that it's 2D.

1. Fall in river
2. die

Why does ANYONE burn down any hopes of anything becoming successful with your freaking unneeded negative comments? Wait for it to come out, then talk please.

xXziroXx 09-03-2007 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Horrified (Post 1345421)
1. Fall in river
2. die

Why does ANYONE burn down any hopes of anything becoming successful with your freaking unneeded negative comments? Wait for it to come out, then talk please.

Because Graal is 2D, always has been - that's why most of us stay on it. Its unique, leave it this way.

Crow 09-03-2007 02:45 PM

Because its the same stuff with Zelda. Though it didnt really hurt Zelda, because a ton of people play it.

Pimmeh 09-03-2007 04:01 PM

Zelda Ocarina of Time was (and still is) one of the best games I ever played, and I am sure a lot of RPG lovers agree, if you dont look at it graphics wise.
Graal 3D could be this too

Switch 09-03-2007 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1345411)
However, Era as 3D? Oh please, go buy CS:S or something instead.

AKUMA GAMES FTW :D

5 FREE shooter games (1 of them is as planes) ;) awesome shooting game.
Totally free and it updates ATLEAST once a week.

BACK ON TOPIC PEEPS :mad:

Crow 09-03-2007 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1345466)
Zelda Ocarina of Time was (and still is) one of the best games I ever played, and I am sure a lot of RPG lovers agree, if you dont look at it graphics wise.
Graal 3D could be this too

OOT was awesome, but it totally destroyed that typical Zelda feeling.

Thrashsoul3 09-03-2007 06:01 PM

The Graal Development team is so small that even when graal is released on the 5th of never it will be extremely outdated and not worth the money compared to other MMORPGs.

theHAWKER 09-03-2007 06:12 PM

If graal could go FPS then all styles of game play can be found on graal.

Think of it, you could make another halo (with bad graphics!)

Twinny 09-03-2007 06:34 PM

We don't even know to what level the engine can render. Those videos could (and probably were) using old, low quality models but the engine could very well handle nice looking models.

DustyPorViva 09-03-2007 06:56 PM

To be honest, Graal 3D will be what the players developing do with it. I would love to make a 3D world, it'd be much easier to bring my ideas to life... but I think Graal 3D just won't be reasonably plausible in terms of cost, server usage, and developing time. I think they're going way over their head, being a one man business and one man developing team... it's just gonna crash. Over the years I'm sure countless hours have been spent on Graal 3D, and image how much better Graal would be if those hours were spent on it instead.

Skyld 09-03-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1345504)
To be honest, Graal 3D will be what the players developing do with it. I would love to make a 3D world, it'd be much easier to bring my ideas to life... but I think Graal 3D just won't be reasonably plausible in terms of cost, server usage, and developing time. I think they're going way over their head, being a one man business and one man developing team... it's just gonna crash. Over the years I'm sure countless hours have been spent on Graal 3D, and image how much better Graal would be if those hours were spent on it instead.

You haven't had the chance to play Graal3D. It's a more realistic project than you think.

DustyPorViva 09-03-2007 07:33 PM

They're already having problems with getting servers to run it. I wasn't saying it's unrealistic to get it done, but to keep it going. It seems like they're stretching too far without the resources. I've never seen a 3D MMORPG run without a full team and a lot of money behind it.

Admins 09-03-2007 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1345522)
I've never seen a 3D MMORPG run without a full team and a lot of money behind it.

It's not meant to be a MMORPG though

Elk 09-03-2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1345529)
It's not meant to be a MMORPG though

But players will be able to customize and develop the 3D world to a MMORPG I assume...?

MrAnonymous_P2P 09-03-2007 08:13 PM

I think Graal 3d will be a great project and something new for graalians. I don't get why everyone one is so upset about the graal developers trying to make something 3D. If they don't try something new then everyone will complain. And if Graal 3d is bad, then hey, they tried it, it wasn't for them and they move on. You guys are acting like you don't want new updates to graal.

DustyPorViva 09-03-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1345529)
It's not meant to be a MMORPG though

What is it then? I know it isn't offline.

Elk 09-03-2007 08:20 PM

Bombermad 3D zomg

theHAWKER 09-03-2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1345534)
Bombermad 3D zomg

xD id rater see 3d zone/era it would be like GTA

coreys 09-03-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny (Post 1345494)
We don't even know to what level the engine can render. Those videos could (and probably were) using old, low quality models but the engine could very well handle nice looking models.

One could only hope, since what we've seen so far is atrocious.
Graal needs new servers, though. Period. End of story. I mean if they have problems with 2D (The servers go down way too much for a simple 2D game), G3D is just going to destroy the crappy servers they're using now.

zokemon 09-03-2007 09:25 PM

Yes, a server like Era could be made 3D and I don't think it would be that hard either. Good luck finding your modelers and texture artists. Level design for 3D is a whole different world too. You should go work with Valve Hammer Editor so you can get an idea for what its like.

Crow 09-03-2007 09:34 PM

If you wanna get started with 3D leveling I would suggest any game which uses the Unreal Engine and comes with UnrealEd. Its a bit easier than Hammer in my opinion.

zokemon 09-03-2007 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1345555)
If you wanna get started with 3D leveling I would suggest any game which uses the Unreal Engine and comes with UnrealEd. Its a bit easier than Hammer in my opinion.

I'll check that out.

pooper200000 09-04-2007 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1345529)
It's not meant to be a MMORPG though

what is graal meant to be then? a multiplayer only role playing game?

UberModeKappa 09-04-2007 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pooper200000 (Post 1345628)
what is graal meant to be then? a multiplayer only role playing game?

MMOG<-----------

UberModeKappa 09-04-2007 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1345522)
They're already having problems with getting servers to run it.

The servers run it fine afaik. The problem is that graal3d servers use more resources and CJrs aren't going to be able to run as many graal 3d servers on one box as standard graal servers.

Elk 09-04-2007 01:59 AM

Mog!

Crono 09-04-2007 02:01 AM

The rules say...

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Originally Posted by unixmad
l) Do not discuss/advertise MMORPGs other than Graal on the board.

which says Graal is an MMORPG.

DustyPorViva 09-04-2007 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UberModeKappa (Post 1345638)
The servers run it fine afaik. The problem is that graal3d servers use more resources and CJrs aren't going to be able to run as many graal 3d servers on one box as standard graal servers.

Which is what I meant.

DustyPorViva 09-04-2007 03:40 AM

I'm sure you'll be able to make it a FPS with scripting, by changing the camera and such.

UberModeKappa 09-04-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1345641)
The rules say...



which says Graal is an MMORPG.

Which says nothing about Graal 3D.

theHAWKER 09-04-2007 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracker180 (Post 1345663)
no offense but if you wanna play a first person shooter/slasher, go play other games

well since graal can go 3d they might as well make an fps mode, and yes 2D graal is real fun and im sure that 3rd person fighting games with graal graphics are fun, but the fps would just enhance the total game play

zokemon 09-04-2007 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER (Post 1345696)
well since graal can go 3d they might as well make an fps mode, and yes 2D graal is real fun and im sure that 3rd person fighting games with graal graphics are fun, but the fps would just enhance the total game play

You don't need a "mode". It would be fairly easy to script...

Spark910 09-04-2007 08:19 PM

It would be a nice 'add-on', but not a good upgrade for worlds like Era.

Reason being the work needed to make it looks equal as Era is now, would be too much. It would just be fugly in 3D.

Sky 09-04-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark910 (Post 1345768)
It would be a nice 'add-on', but not a good upgrade for worlds like Era.

Reason being the work needed to make it looks equal as Era is now, would be too much. It would just be fugly in 3D.

It wouldn't be too bad..it would basically be a GTA right? It's just no one on graal would make a complete 3D Era for free. It would just be too much time and resources that no ones gonna do for free. :(

Crono 09-04-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UberModeKappa (Post 1345685)
Which says nothing about Graal 3D.

Graal 3D was a Graal server when it was on preview.

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 1345776)
It wouldn't be too bad..it would basically be a GTA right? It's just no one on graal would make a complete 3D Era for free. It would just be too much time and resources that no ones gonna do for free. :(

"Free"? People have to pay to develop to begin with.

Switch 09-04-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1345795)
"Free"? People have to pay to develop to begin with.

I'll rephrase it for him, then.

No one's gonna pay 10 dollars to develop a server worth 500 dollars to develop for free.

I think that was right o_O

UberModeKappa 09-05-2007 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1345795)
Graal 3D was a Graal server when it was on preview.

It is not the same server. They use different software.


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