Music on Graal
 

Hey hey, a few things I wanted to talk about. :asleep:

First off, we all know copyrighted music isn't allowed on Graal. But covers of songs people do on their own are not allowed on Graal either, want to know why? Not because it's a copyrighted song, but because if you include a cover of a song in a product that is SOLD (like Graal) then you have to pay royalties to the band who wrote the song to begin with. If Graal was free like back in the old days, covers would be allowed. Sad to say we won't be hearing any Britney Spears covered by Graalians on Graal. ;)

Secondly the Graal rules say that stuff uploaded on graal becomes the property of Graal, but what about music that is LICENSED for use on certain graal playerworlds, like Bjorn Lynne's stuff on Graal Kingdoms, and the stuff I'm doing for Mythic Legends? Of course they paid for Bjorn's stuff to license it but I'm doing music for Mythic Legends for free, would that be considered licensed music or stuff owned by Graal? Because I'm writing some pretty nice stuff that I might like to put on a CD someday but I don't want the possible lawsuit in the future or something saying that the songs are owned by Graal. o_o Should I be worried or anything, or is it no big deal?

And lastly I'm kinda interested to hear the "law" behind playing music off of an URL on Graal. Technically the music files aren't ON graal so the hosts of the URLs that hold the MP3s probably have no idea about Graal, they probably just think individual people are streaming the songs. I'm basically just wondering, like, what's the statute behind that whole movement?

Just some stuff that's been growing in my brain. o_o
Just curious more on an uneasy side more than egotistical at all. :cry:

Would it make better i covered your favorite songs im a really talented singer

I am not kidding...I will, it would be fun. pm if you are interested. Or look at my contacts in my sig

Streaming music is allowed, but the hosted music is most likely illegal -- though no action will be done (likely)

What you need is a Nonexclusive Irrevocable Copyright. Meaning Graal can use your music all you want, but it's Not Exclusive to Graal, meaning you can use it all you want too.

Sadly, we seem to be the only ones that think that should be explicitly stated, and so Graal digs itself one foot deeper.

Because when you are streaming music from another server (like a website) you aren't actually using the Graal servers at all, you just use a music client (in this case, Graal4.exe) much like iTunes, WinAmp or Windows Media Player. You think those programs have to pay royalties when they stream music from a site? ;)

And second: Yes, I'm pretty sure you won't be able to ever use the stuff you use on Graal anywhere else. Ideas are a immaterail and are hard to make lawsuits over but actual files such as songs, scripts and images are very obvious. If you plan on using Graal as a stepstone for "things better" I suggest you just use ideas you wish the develop; as the the material things: just make stuff you are content keeping on Graal. You could ask Unixmad if you could "loan" the files but in such a case, I doubt those files would be allowed on a non-monitored playerworld (any non-gold server).

Graal won't allow music to be uploaded period because it may be copyrighted. I think that was the whole problem at first.

Also you're allowed to stream it (the URL thing in your audio options) because its coming from a foreign site not one of Graal's.

We are allowed to upload music by Oinkness on Mythic. :)

title shoulda been
LAG ON GRAAL

muha. i get bored

I already said that the main problem is that we don't want to get problems because some playerworld staff upload copyrighted music and say that they made it themself. Also we don't want that another game is copying half of the graphics music from some popular Graal playerworld. Websites like MySpace have quite restrictive rules about such thing (everything you put on your site becomes myspace property etc.), so I don't think that we go too far with our user agreement things.

...is your point that "Nobody uploads copyrighted music to their MySpace page"? Or that "All the music uploaded on MySpace belongs to MySpace, and nobody else can use it"? Or perhaps that "Everyone on MySpace goes to the trouble of writing music themselves to put on their MySpace page, secure in the knowledge MySpace won't steal it"?

As an analogy, it lacks punch.

No it doesn't x_x

I think he means it become myspace's responsibility for copyright. Myspace does not own squat anyone puts on the site. Kind of defeats the purpose of "my"space.

If I thought MySpace owned my music, I would never upload it on there. I still hold the "copyright" to the songs that my bands have put up there, and whatever individual tracks I put up on my personal space. All they really do is say that you have to own the copyright to upload your song, if you upload it then you agree to that term... if they get a complaint, they'll delete your account. Graal should have something like that where they allow it to be put on there but they don't claim ownership of people's music!

I'm not saying you should delete people's accounts though. There are other more reasonable punishments. People pay a lot of money for their accounts. :D

Yeah, it seems like you are totally responsible for any content that you upload to Myspace. Their terms specifically outline that they do not claim the rights over user-submitted files (including texts, images, pictures, videos, sounds, etc).

Well they have changed the license terms slightly (or added comments). My points are still valid though, and we will not change those rules anytime soon. If you want to use your content for other games, then don't upload it in the first.

I'll just stream any of my compositions ^^. There's something you can add to the url so the complete url doesn't show in F3->Audio

To that end, could you simply put anything you wish to keep onto a seperate server? You could technically put your storylines and concepts onto a webpage for your server. You could also load character dialects and mud files to temporary variables from a remote server...

You may be able to protect your ideas. If I make a game on Graal then decide I like it, I don't want to be hampered making my own engine for it and releasing it.

You may take my code but my ideas will forever be my intellectual property!!

I DO believe Oink wanted to know if he could release an ALBUM with the songs composed for Mythic, not if he could use them on another game.

And so Pachuka's True Legacy killed Graal years ago. We just haven't noticed it yet.

Yes. I'm planning on releasing the battle theme in a CD next year whether I smooth it over here or not. Mythic Legends has permission to use the instrumental version of it that I made for it and that's that. The CD version will be re-recorded and have vocals, but the same song.