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colin012 02-23-2007 11:11 PM

Mixing vr. Composing
 
First off you need to know what the two are. Mixing is taking pre made sounds cutting em in parts and placing em where you want where as composing is taking sounds from instements and chosing where to place the notes and where other istrements come in. This sounds like mixing isn't a work load but it is you have to fade sounds out chose where to place em what parts to use and still make it sound good instead of randomely placed sounds that don't match as well as having a limit on what you can do. In composing you have fredome to use whatever you want wherever you want but a dissadvantage is you can't use computer generated sounds. This can be avoided if you have programs for both. They both can take a long time in both fourms it can take several years to make a good song.

Chompy 02-24-2007 12:59 AM

and...? I don't understand why you posted it.. :]

DARKVILLIN 02-24-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by colin012 (Post 1281401)
First off you need to know what the two are. Mixing is taking pre made sounds cutting em in parts and placing em where you want where as composing is taking sounds from instements and chosing where to place the notes and where other istrements come in. This sounds like mixing isn't a work load but it is you have to fade sounds out chose where to place em what parts to use and still make it sound good instead of randomely placed sounds that don't match as well as having a limit on what you can do. In composing you have fredome to use whatever you want wherever you want but a dissadvantage is you can't use computer generated sounds. This can be avoided if you have programs for both. They both can take a long time in both fourms it can take several years to make a good song.

I'm confused at what all you were saying...not flaming but if you are going to speak of music please at least spell instrument correctly. I'm not really sure why you posted this, as again I am kind of confused as well.

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Originally Posted by colin012 (Post 1281401)
First off you need to know what the two are. Mixing is taking pre made sounds cutting em in parts and placing em where you want where as composing is taking sounds from instements and chosing where to place the notes and where other istrements come in.

-I think you need a better understanding yourself before you try to teach others...Mixing...you are somewhat eh correct. Technically you could break this rule. You can mix without breaking sounds apart. Hell you could just even mix sounds as a whole.
-Composing isnt taking the sounds of the instruments and choosing where to place the notes and whatever else you said. Composing is taking the visual representation of various arragements of notes divided by the whole and placing them on a score which usually in the treble or bass clef--Also known as G and F clef. A score can consist of many different instruments and chairs. For example a trumpet section of 7 might have 3-4 different parts while percussionists could have up to 12 different parts on 12 different scores to 1 composition. Now this is where you could get technical again. You could now compose or arrange a "mix". which there fore would contrict what you said saying they are different while here you could arrange a mix. Then again while you are mixing arent you arranging-which is again composing. Eh tricky huh...

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Originally Posted by colin012 (Post 1281401)
This sounds like mixing isn't a work load but it is you have to fade sounds out chose where to place em what parts to use and still make it sound good instead of randomely placed sounds that don't match as well as having a limit on what you can do.

-I have no idea what you are really talking about here because of your sentence structure...If you are referring to mixing...I know plenty of good mix'/remix that use random sounds. Its called Techno? hehe. Anywho sometimes randomly placed sounds conveys the feeling or message that the artist is trying to send through his mix.

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Originally Posted by colin012 (Post 1281401)
In composing you have fredome to use whatever you want wherever you want but a dissadvantage is you can't use computer generated sounds. This can be avoided if you have programs for both. They both can take a long time in both fourms it can take several years to make a good song.

-So I'm confused again...you just said in composing you have the freedom to use whatever you want wherever you want but you can't use computer generated sounds? That contridicts what you just said. You can mix and compose with whatever you want. Lets think about this...
-Mixing: Beat Boxing--which wait is a form of composing or arranging just mentally...
-Composing: Broadway's STOMP...they compose just using everyday items but wait according to you those are already made sounds...so thats also mixing right? yeah...You can mix with a regular composing program...


Anywho...Please read up before you try to teach others...=/

zokemon 02-26-2007 12:37 AM

Techno isn't just using random sounds o_O
That is a sub-genre of techno...

Techno is a wide area; about as large as rock (or even bigger) at least in terms of how many variations there are within it (aka sub-genres).

DARKVILLIN 02-26-2007 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1282187)
Techno isn't just using random sounds o_O
That is a sub-genre of techno...

Techno is a wide area; about as large as rock (or even bigger) at least in terms of how many variations there are within it (aka sub-genres).

i was just using it as a general reference. i know there are tons of genres of techo. I love techno i was just using it on a level he might understand it? X_X

zokemon 02-26-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DARKVILLIN (Post 1282306)
i was just using it as a general reference. i know there are tons of genres of techo. I love techno i was just using it on a level he might understand it? X_X

Okay, just making sure ;)

But yes, I agree with everything you said prior.

ceserthen 02-27-2007 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1282187)
Techno isn't just using random sounds o_O
That is a sub-genre of techno...

Techno is a wide area; about as large as rock (or even bigger) at least in terms of how many variations there are within it (aka sub-genres).

I'm not sure I know at least 20 techno sub genres compared to rocks near ifinite supply of Subgenre, techno you have more freedom than rock though, But the best of both worlds is techno/rock those are ussually quite interseting to listen to.

Angel_Light 02-27-2007 02:05 AM

Electronica > Techno

zokemon 02-27-2007 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light (Post 1282514)
Electronica > Techno

That is stupid...
Techno IS Electronica x_x

You just said 1 > 1 in a sense.

DARKVILLIN 02-27-2007 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1282575)
That is stupid...
Techno IS Electronica x_x

You just said 1 > 1 in a sense.

Eh you could make techno with an orchestra....never seen it done but that would be pretty sweet. XD

Angel_Light 02-27-2007 04:54 AM

Actually 1 = 2

a=1
b=1
a=b
a²=ab
a²+a²=a²+ab
2a²=a²+ab
2a²-2ab=a²+ab- 2ab
2a²-2ab=a²-ab
2(a²-ab)=1(a²-ab)
1=2

No, techno is just some random noise with a beat, sometimes a good one. Electronica on the other hand is experienced sound (True electronica btw) with a beautiful meaning. Daft Punk illustrates this perfectly.

zokemon 02-27-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light (Post 1282593)
No, techno is just some random noise with a beat, sometimes a good one. Electronica on the other hand is experienced sound (True electronica btw) with a beautiful meaning. Daft Punk illustrates this perfectly.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Electronica is a very broad definition for saying any music made electronically. Sorry to burst your bubble but Daft Punk is still techno.

EDIT:
Oh and here is a somewhat extensive list for the sub-genres of Techno:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...c_music_genres

colin012 03-14-2007 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DARKVILLIN (Post 1281514)
I'm confused at what all you were saying...not flaming but if you are going to speak of music please at least spell instrument correctly. I'm not really sure why you posted this, as again I am kind of confused as well.



-I think you need a better understanding yourself before you try to teach others...Mixing...you are somewhat eh correct. Technically you could break this rule. You can mix without breaking sounds apart. Hell you could just even mix sounds as a whole.
-Composing isnt taking the sounds of the instruments and choosing where to place the notes and whatever else you said. Composing is taking the visual representation of various arragements of notes divided by the whole and placing them on a score which usually in the treble or bass clef--Also known as G and F clef. A score can consist of many different instruments and chairs. For example a trumpet section of 7 might have 3-4 different parts while percussionists could have up to 12 different parts on 12 different scores to 1 composition. Now this is where you could get technical again. You could now compose or arrange a "mix". which there fore would contrict what you said saying they are different while here you could arrange a mix. Then again while you are mixing arent you arranging-which is again composing. Eh tricky huh...



-I have no idea what you are really talking about here because of your sentence structure...If you are referring to mixing...I know plenty of good mix'/remix that use random sounds. Its called Techno? hehe. Anywho sometimes randomly placed sounds conveys the feeling or message that the artist is trying to send through his mix.



-So I'm confused again...you just said in composing you have the freedom to use whatever you want wherever you want but you can't use computer generated sounds? That contridicts what you just said. You can mix and compose with whatever you want. Lets think about this...
-Mixing: Beat Boxing--which wait is a form of composing or arranging just mentally...
-Composing: Broadway's STOMP...they compose just using everyday items but wait according to you those are already made sounds...so thats also mixing right? yeah...You can mix with a regular composing program...


Anywho...Please read up before you try to teach others...=/

Thats what I said>_<

Quote:

Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1282187)
Techno isn't just using random sounds o_O
That is a sub-genre of techno...

Techno is a wide area; about as large as rock (or even bigger) at least in terms of how many variations there are within it (aka sub-genres).

Thats not even music... If it was you could have like realy moody paino with fart noises and a therimin.....

JimDubbs 03-19-2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by colin012 (Post 1281401)
First off you need to know what the two are. Mixing is taking pre made sounds cutting em in parts and placing em where you want where as composing is taking sounds from instements and chosing where to place the notes and where other istrements come in. This sounds like mixing isn't a work load but it is you have to fade sounds out chose where to place em what parts to use and still make it sound good instead of randomely placed sounds that don't match as well as having a limit on what you can do. In composing you have fredome to use whatever you want wherever you want but a dissadvantage is you can't use computer generated sounds. This can be avoided if you have programs for both. They both can take a long time in both fourms it can take several years to make a good song.

i dont know what you are talking about or where you get your information from but ok..

1. Mixing is simply mixing musical tracks together to produce sound. I can COMPOSE my own instrumental tracks, then MIX them together..what you typed out is incredibly incoherent.

Anything you create musically with more than 1 track has to be Mixed. Im also lost as to what you speak of not being able to use computer generated sounds while composing..have you ever heard of midi programming?

For gods sake anyone who read this thread please dont listen to what this guy said:D


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