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Rufus 12-14-2006 12:16 AM

"No playerworld under any circumstances should save trial account data."
 
On my server I had planned to make bank accounts that were able for saving for trials, because I actually believe this would encourage them to upgrade.

I like new people, they remind me of how I was when I first joined Graal "Wow I've got 1000g" and I used to get PM's all the time when I was FAQing for Classic, just to tell me that they had "1000g". I think if trials were able to save their money, it would give them another reason to upgrade as all their hard work of cutting down numerous bushes, tediously mining those rocks and stealing from kills wouldn't just go to waste when they signed out, and they would have a funding for when they hit the big time.

Obviously the bank account saving wouldn't be allowed to withdraw until they had upgraded; more like a funds account, but I think it would really help in steering new upgrades as you have no idea how excited people get over gralat.

Of course, because of the playerworld rules I can't do this, but Graal is in some serious need of revising in terms as adding such features like this would not be detrimental to the amount of upgrades, infact it could well be the other way round.

excaliber7388 12-14-2006 12:25 AM

I like the idea of a bank account they can put money in, but can't take out until they upgrade.
If this is allowed, every server should do it.
It would defiantly encourage people to upgrade.

nikomi946 12-14-2006 12:25 AM

If that were implemented I think it should still be for a limited time period. Otherwise you'll have 2347 little trial account bank accounts sitting there for years untouched.

Devil 12-14-2006 12:35 AM

Very smart idea, I quite like it and think it should come into effect.

Crono 12-14-2006 12:38 AM

I agree.

Rufus 12-14-2006 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikomi946 (Post 1253192)
If that were implemented I think it should still be for a limited time period. Otherwise you'll have 2347 little trial account bank accounts sitting there for years untouched.

Hmm, I don't think that would make much of a difference though as you would still have those 2347 trial accounts registered.

nikomi946 12-14-2006 04:09 AM

So to solve the problem of excess funds not being used just script it so that after a reasonable period of time the funds transfer to nikomi946 =D. Nice idea though Rufus.

Gambet 12-14-2006 04:18 AM

Interesting idea, indeed.



I approve!

Beastblood 12-14-2006 04:42 AM

i Agree to

Tyhm 12-14-2006 12:38 PM

hear hear, the time for restricting newbies is past. Anything that makes sticking around Graal long enough to upgrade is a good thing, now that we no longer have a thousand some Trial Players trying to freeload.

HoudiniMan 12-14-2006 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1253179)
Of course, because of the playerworld rules I can't do this, but Graal is in some serious need of revising...

Too bad there isn't a thread for something like this in the main forums, that'd be sweet.

Rufus 12-14-2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan (Post 1253417)
Too bad there isn't a thread for something like this in the main forums, that'd be sweet.

It would yes, if it weren't clearly an attempt to take over Ibonic's job.

Oh and after all, this is the "Future Improvements" section.

Admins 12-14-2006 05:50 PM

It's not allowed.
We plan to change how Graal subscriptions work to be more trial/guest-friendly, but that will take some time.

Tyhm 12-14-2006 05:57 PM

Hm.
Well, changing subscriptions "to be more trial/guest-friendly" will at least ensure that it's evenly distributed among all servers...even the haughty ones that would just as soon not have any newbies. :-P

Door427 12-14-2006 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1253445)
It's not allowed.
We plan to change how Graal subscriptions work to be more trial/guest-friendly, but that will take some time.

CAST AWAY THINE FETTERS AND TRANSCEND TO NEW HEIGHTS, NOTHING CAN HOLD YOU BACK, YOU WILL BE THE CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS NEW AND GOOD!


i will slip you 20 if you make it happen.

coreys 12-14-2006 05:59 PM

Aw, Stefan put the boots to it. =(

excaliber7388 12-14-2006 07:13 PM

That's too bad, this was an excellent idea. One of the best for encouraging an upgrade that I've heard.
I suppose the only problem would be if there's chests on the server.
The player could And if enough trials buy graal at once, it could mess up the economy a little.
You know, they may wait to get an account until they have enough money for the most expensive item.

Devil 12-15-2006 12:00 AM

Ah well, back to the drawing board.

konidias 01-01-2007 04:03 AM

One reason this idea wouldn't work is because if someone found a way to abuse something as a trial to get lots of free money, they could do so and if they get caught, big deal it was a trial account... but if they don't get caught, they could upgrade and have tons of $$$. But if they weren't trial to begin with, not only would they be less inclined to try to abuse a bug or hack, but it would be a lot easier to trace them.

It's a nice idea in theory... but I doubt it would get people to upgrade. Trial is just what it means... a trial. Not "well there's the exception that you can save all your monies in a bank". Trial accounts are only supposed to allow a person to test out the game and some servers... not play on it for months without paying while still earning money like everyone else.

Crow 01-01-2007 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by konidias (Post 1259341)
One reason this idea wouldn't work is because if someone found a way to abuse something as a trial to get lots of free money, they could do so and if they get caught, big deal it was a trial account... but if they don't get caught, they could upgrade and have tons of $$$. But if they weren't trial to begin with, not only would they be less inclined to try to abuse a bug or hack, but it would be a lot easier to trace them.

It's a nice idea in theory... but I doubt it would get people to upgrade. Trial is just what it means... a trial. Not "well there's the exception that you can save all your monies in a bank". Trial accounts are only supposed to allow a person to test out the game and some servers... not play on it for months without paying while still earning money like everyone else.

You could just use some undetectable hacks @ your main acc, its easier ;D

Matt 01-01-2007 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1259345)
You could just use some undetectable hacks @ your main acc, its easier ;D


x_x

Tyhm 01-02-2007 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by konidias (Post 1259341)
One reason this idea wouldn't work is because if someone found a way to abuse something as a trial to get lots of free money, they could do so and if they get caught, big deal it was a trial account... but if they don't get caught, they could upgrade and have tons of $$$. But if they weren't trial to begin with, not only would they be less inclined to try to abuse a bug or hack, but it would be a lot easier to trace them.

It's a nice idea in theory... but I doubt it would get people to upgrade. Trial is just what it means... a trial. Not "well there's the exception that you can save all your monies in a bank". Trial accounts are only supposed to allow a person to test out the game and some servers... not play on it for months without paying while still earning money like everyone else.

Yes. Trials shouldn't be Just As Good. However, if your server has quests...or really anything that counts as Progress, you can't really get a sense of Trying A Game when you have to start over from the beginning every time you're hit with a rolling blackout, or your computer gets the Blue Screen of Death, or your connection resets, or....

I'd say limit each PW to a set number of Save Points, variable based off the size of the server. A server with 9 quests gets 5 savepoints - not enough to easily Beat The Game and have done with, but enough to want the power to save anywhere. You put in your password (or whatever) from the end of quest 1, you Pop at the end of that quest (or the latest in the series of quests) with your flags set saying you've already done that one - on to the next.

I made a newbie account and tried to play Classic. Even with its admittedly lacking quest-to-system ratio, I couldn't take it...having to reset at the newbie house Every Time, having to go through the pushblock maze Every Time...it's not condusive to "Wow this is a great game I should upgrade so I can play it all the way through", and hasn't been since the day of Kid Icarus and Castlevania I and ...


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