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Prez56 04-05-2006 10:22 PM

Does 2001 Need Help?
 
I was wondering, does the Staff on 2001 need help to get the ball rolling? I'm willing to devote the next few months (if needed) torwords anything that needs to be done on 2k1 (if there is any). I have been MIA from Graal for awhile now, and I would love to not only see it get back, but to help in that process. I can do some minor programming with QBasic and C++ and have dabled with designing levels in my younger years. I'm not expecting to be an answer to the prayers of many who wish to see a full time manager take on the project, but I am willing to try.

If you have any questions then please contact me via PM or AIM since I can only post once per 8 hours for now. (AIM x8WheatS8x )

Thanks you.

Zero Diamond

gozen 04-06-2006 02:23 AM

heh

Andy0687 04-06-2006 07:21 AM

i meant to post in your other thread to get out while you still can, but ill put it here.

oh wait...

yeah you get the point, I dont think this will go anywhere, if someone were to be given the manager position of 2k1, its likely someone who is global, and cant really sustain it much themselves, but says they can.

2k1 should die in peace, let it go, at this rate everyone is dragging its name through the mud and leaving a bad taste in new users mouths, and destroying what it used to be.

Prez56 04-06-2006 11:07 PM

I don't want to give it up, and there are alot of others who don't want to give up on it either. 2k1 was too good of a server to just 'let go' like that. Yeah, there needs to be changes made to appeal to a broader audience, but it can all be done.

Yeah, the Economy on the server right now is completely destroyed, but it can be fixed. Its way to hard to make alot of money to even purchase anything, but that can be fixed. Alot of people like the idea of Kingdoms used as guilds with REAL Kingdoms to use as hangouts and such, and people are willing to go back to 2k1. I know alot of people who are interested in playing Graal:2k1 that have never played (From another board I frequently visit) and if the ball got rolling they would love 2k1.

Its just not right to say that this server is dead when clearly it can be saved. Someone needs to stand up and make something happen. And yes, it needs to happen fast because its quite clear that people are loosing interest in it and giving up.

Andy0687 04-06-2006 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Prez56
stuff

I would have been more then happy myself you know. I am not saying let it go because I want to see it die. I am saying it because of my prior point.

I would love to take and fix up 2k1 so people will play, i loved that server, and I remember talking to James about working there when he started managing it, before it went down the (Second?) time [They started using new bodies i do know this].

Like I said before, people with the pure dedication to take it and complete it, may be overlooked by people who are more "Well Known".

What is wrong with 2k1 is very easy to fix, and probably wouldnt take much time, but its about getting someone in there who can, and will, also wants, to do it.

Draenin 04-07-2006 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687
What is wrong with 2k1 is very easy to fix, and probably wouldnt take much time

*cough*

Andy0687 04-07-2006 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
*cough*

Backing up your quote and cough with some discussion and input, does not hurt either.

Lao_Su2 04-07-2006 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687
Backing up your quote and cough with some discussion and input, does not hurt either.

I hate to say it but there isnt really any discussion that is going to do anything. The PW is dead, there hasn't been a new manager found and doubt there will be. Sorry, its just a fact

Eagle 04-07-2006 05:01 AM

Hey, I want to be Manager too!

DARKVILLIN 04-07-2006 05:04 AM

graal2001 as we knew it-is gone. It will never be the same. it will never have the players that it used to have. Its gone...It's like seeing a sick dog in one of those movies...It exists but no one ever pays any attention to it...for its own sake just finish it off and remove it from the server list

Andy0687 04-07-2006 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lao_Su2
I hate to say it but there isnt really any discussion that is going to do anything. The PW is dead, there hasn't been a new manager found and doubt there will be. Sorry, its just a fact

Funny too because in my first post in this thread, thats pretty much exactily what I said!

No need to apologize to me as I am not the one begging for 2k1 to find a new life.

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Originally Posted by Eagle
Hey, I want to be Manager too!

Not sure who you are talking about, quoting who you are talking to, or letting them know :)

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Originally Posted by Darkvillin
graal2001 as we knew it-is gone. It will never be the same. it will never have the players that it used to have. Its gone..

Not entirely true, im not going to arugue for just one side, because it is possible to save it, obviously it has not been drug so far through the mud that everyone wants to see it die.

There are just really simple problems and really simple fixes no one seems to see, and I dont understand why. We would not even be here discussing this right now if the prior management had seen them. (I am not pointing fingers at lance entirely, he was not the only manager to make this mistake).

DARKVILLIN 04-07-2006 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687
Funny too because in my first post in this thread, thats pretty much exactily what I said!

No need to apologize to me as I am not the one begging for 2k1 to find a new life.



Not sure who you are talking about, quoting who you are talking to, or letting them know :)



Not entirely true, im not going to arugue for just one side, because it is possible to save it, obviously it has not been drug so far through the mud that everyone wants to see it die.

There are just really simple problems and really simple fixes no one seems to see, and I dont understand why. We would not even be here discussing this right now if the prior management had seen them. (I am not pointing fingers at lance entirely, he was not the only manager to make this mistake).

without the players graal2001 will not survive...and its true that it will never be the same. there is no more birdbird_0, ghost pirate, konidias, tseng, deathchill, snake eyes, ect....

Andy0687 04-07-2006 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DARKVILLIN
without the players graal2001 will not survive...and its true that it will never be the same. there is no more birdbird_0, ghost pirate, konidias, tseng, deathchill, snake eyes, ect....

True enough. however the 2k1 revivial which just passed was not to try to gain back all the 2k1 members, if that were the case their playerbase would be a bit small. The server needs to appeal to newer members as well.

Maybe it will never be the same, but it could be close, or with the proper work, better.

DARKVILLIN 04-07-2006 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687
True enough. however the 2k1 revivial which just passed was not to try to gain back all the 2k1 members, if that were the case their playerbase would be a bit small. The server needs to appeal to newer members as well.

Maybe it will never be the same, but it could be close, or with the proper work, better.

Which comes back to my point-if stefan would have let koni finish his version...

Andy0687 04-07-2006 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DARKVILLIN
Which comes back to my point-if stefan would have let koni finish his version...

Come to think of it I dont remember you making that point before now, but anyways,

Would that have done anything? That 2k1 was not the 2k1 you speak of, it would have been significantly diffrent.

Thats the problem I keep saying that no one is content on fixing.

DARKVILLIN 04-07-2006 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687
Come to think of it I dont remember you making that point before now, but anyways,

Would that have done anything? That 2k1 was not the 2k1 you speak of, it would have been significantly diffrent.

Thats the problem I keep saying that no one is content on fixing.

:frown:
no i think it would be nicely different graphics wise but play better and more player attractive game wise...koni was fixing all the bugs that lance just left =/. I mean lance is a good guy in all but i think stefan should have given Konidias more time to show off more of his potential...instead he just helped push away a talented player/developer

konidias 04-07-2006 09:27 PM

I sent Stefan a PM about it 2 weeks ago and he never replied.

Go figure.

DARKVILLIN 04-08-2006 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias
I sent Stefan a PM about it 2 weeks ago and he never replied.

Go figure.

eh, you commin back? o.O you can IM me the answer unless you wanna tell the world XD

konidias 04-08-2006 01:37 AM

Stefan is on the forums right now. He won't read this thread and he won't reply to me... It's really disappointing.

Prez56 04-08-2006 07:45 AM

Either he has it under control, and just isn't saying anything, or he is just ignoring a obviouse problem, hoping it will go away.

2k1 Will never be dead to many. So what, alot of the big players from back in the day are gone, but there will be new players. Ofcourse 2k1 will never be the same, but who says it has too? It could be different, and still be like the old 2k1, at the same time (do you get what im sayin'?). New players means new experiences. I'm sure that the problems on this server aren't exactly easy as stated in an above post, but it isn't impossible. If it is possible to build this whole Graal world pretty much from the ground up, (after ZO ofcourse) then anything is possible. IF theres talent out there, than someone needs to let them embrace it and use it. If there are people willing to help with ANYTHING that needs to be done, than accept the help. But don't say it's dead. giving in to the assumption that It is whats going to kill it.

Andy0687 04-08-2006 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Prez56
I'm sure that the problems on this server aren't exactly easy as stated in an above post,

and restated here, they really are that easy to fix.

konidias 04-08-2006 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Prez56
If there are people willing to help with ANYTHING that needs to be done, than accept the help.

Ehhh you're terribly wrong there. Just because people are willing to help, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to let them. The majority of people wanting to help do not have the skills or talent to make the server better. That doesn't mean there aren't people that could do good work... it's just that 99% of the people willing to help are not good enough to do so.

I'd rather have no 2k1 then let a bunch of talentless people make really stupid stuff and awful scripts and graphics and levels and then release it so 2k1's name can be dragged through the mud even more.

syltburk 04-08-2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias
Ehhh you're terribly wrong there. Just because people are willing to help, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to let them. The majority of people wanting to help do not have the skills or talent to make the server better. That doesn't mean there aren't people that could do good work... it's just that 99% of the people willing to help are not good enough to do so.

I'd rather have no 2k1 then let a bunch of talentless people make really stupid stuff and awful scripts and graphics and levels and then release it so 2k1's name can be dragged through the mud even more.

plz sup

DARKVILLIN 04-08-2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias
Ehhh you're terribly wrong there. Just because people are willing to help, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to let them. The majority of people wanting to help do not have the skills or talent to make the server better. That doesn't mean there aren't people that could do good work... it's just that 99% of the people willing to help are not good enough to do so.

I'd rather have no 2k1 then let a bunch of talentless people make really stupid stuff and awful scripts and graphics and levels and then release it so 2k1's name can be dragged through the mud even more.


bish ill drag you through the mud after you get back from your beach trip...err. yeah

Um I agree though.

Prez56 04-08-2006 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias
Ehhh you're terribly wrong there. Just because people are willing to help, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to let them. The majority of people wanting to help do not have the skills or talent to make the server better. That doesn't mean there aren't people that could do good work... it's just that 99% of the people willing to help are not good enough to do so.

I'd rather have no 2k1 then let a bunch of talentless people make really stupid stuff and awful scripts and graphics and levels and then release it so 2k1's name can be dragged through the mud even more.

I'm not saying let Joe Blow design a quest and upload it, just because he is bored. I'm sure there is a greater percentage then 1% that have talent, that are willing to do something.

konidias 04-08-2006 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Prez56
I'm not saying let Joe Blow design a quest and upload it, just because he is bored. I'm sure there is a greater percentage then 1% that have talent, that are willing to do something.

You'd be sadly mistaken.

DARKVILLIN 04-08-2006 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias
You'd be sadly mistaken.

tru dat...i mean look at konidias he fits into that 99% other range...XD

Infernix 04-08-2006 08:14 PM

How about this them rofl, We say graal2001 is out of order, remove it from classic playerlist for it doesnt draw attention to new graal players. (Who will end up playing that for 5min and quitting graal) Then wait til it gets some more help (Probobly just as lazy as former help) If its good we re-release and all the 20 year old children will be happy!

OR WAIT WE LET IT SIT THERE ON CLASSIC O_O. Wait for some amazing developer, who of course is gonna come along make graal2001 the greatest server ever. Just like we do with all the other servers. I meen just look at their success.

konidias 04-08-2006 09:06 PM

re-release it in 2012... then you can call it 2k1...2

Lao_Su2 04-08-2006 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias
re-release it in 2012... then you can call it 2k1...2

/agree

Heh i actually chuckled whn I read this :)


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