Results of the 16-man invitational spar tournament
 

First round:

Exodus - L by 6.5, W by 3.5, W by 5
Zeldaguardian

Stella - W by 2, L by 2, W by 8
Cyclone

Chance
Josh - L by 5, W by 2, W by .5

Deophite
Thallen - W by 2, W by 6.5

Highlander - W by .5, T, W by 6.5
Halo

Torrent - W by 6.5, W by 3.5
Aarian

Quick Strike - W by 6.5, L by 2, W by 6.5
Demrow

Ares
Tyrant - L by 2, W by .5, W by 6.5

Secound round:

Exodus
Stella - W by 2, W by .5

Josh
Thallen - W by 3.5, L by 3.5, W by 5

Highlander - L by 5, W by 2, W by .5
Torrent

Quick Strike - W by .5, W by 2
Tyrant

Third round:

Stella - W by 2, W by 8
Thallen

Highlander - W by 3.5, W by 8
Quick Strike

Third place round:

Thallen
Quick Strike - W by 3.5, L by 2, W by 2, T, W by .5

Championship round:

Stella - W by 2, W by 2, L by 5, W by 3.5
Highlander

Ok, where to begin... The tournament went really well until the last match: me vs. Stella. Very early on in the first spar, when I think we were both tied at 8, I pretty much realized that I wasn't sparring Stella and confronted "her." She was sparring exactly like a defensive version of Halo with the exact same delay and had his basic movement, neither of which I had ever seen Stella do.

Later on, at some point in time during either the first or second spar, I saw her do a move that I've never seen her do before, and the only person I remember ever seeing doing it in the same manner was Halo. It was a move where he would get on the wall and rush straight at you, run into the seats (an indention in the spar), and hit you in the side. This is a move that Stella would never dream of doing, and the only person I've ever seen do it in the exact same manner is Halo. I was almost completely convinced when this happened that who I was sparring was actually Halo.

So, I had the person on Halo's account come to the spar. I asked "him" to spar me real quick, but "he" very quietly declined. In fact, I was trying to talk to both of them and neither of them would say anything. I think they said a total of about a dozen words (literally) the entire 5+ minutes I was accusing them of switching accounts (you would think they would want to more verbally defend themselves).

Although I was about 95% sure at this point in time, I then decided to hit Halo to test his delay, and I was stunned (not really) when he had 0, absolutely no, delay whatsoever (anyone who has sparred Halo knows that he always delays, so there was absolutely no doubt in my mind now that it wasn't Halo on his account and that they had switched accounts).

I continued sparring and "Stella" eventually won. Immediately after the spar, according to Neo Jenova, Halo and Stella logged off and got back on to hide their IPs and leave no proof that they switched accounts. Halo has done this kind of thing before. He had someone elses account banned before for sparring on their account in order to win a tournament for them, and someone else mentioned to me tonight that he had sparred for Aarian before, as well (although I can't verify this).

Here are the links to some screenshots, that although are not absolute proof (which I think is impossible to get at this point in time, excluding a confession from someone who knows the truth), support my claim:

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4...16161810cg.png

Ares was mad at me for not letting Neo Jenova in the tournament because he was late and I had already invited the alternates and made and massed the list out, which is why he is saying "dont tell hl this."

Below him you can see Xanatos, a member of Halo's own family and the guy who helped me host the tourney, saying that it looked like Halo was sparring for Stella. What went on after this ss, I'm still trying to figure out.

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?i...16169738mr.png

In this screenshot, you see part of my conversation with Prado, a friend of Halo's. He is talking with Stella and Halo on either another server or on AIM. The general tone of the conversation implied that Halo and Stella had more or less confessed to the fact that they switched accounts to him. He is saying that "the real Stella says she could beat u anyways," meaning that at least Stella had confessed to him.

Below him you see Xanatos again, the member of Halo and Stella's family and the guy who helped me host the tourney, saying that they were "only having fun" since it's only Graal.

I decided after the tournament, after I gathered the evidence and it was pretty clear to a lot of people that they had switched accounts, to disqaulify both Stella and Halo from the tournament. Neither of them will ever be invited to anything I host again, unless they own up to what they did (at least to me in private).

Unfortunately, there's no way to know who would have won the tournament had this all not occured, but there's also no real fair way to go back and fix it (since Halo was possibly sparring for Stella as early as her spar against Exodus, and certainly in her spar against Thallen).

Due to the disqualification of Stella and Halo, the results of the tournament are:

1st place: Highlander
2nd place: Quick Strike
3rd place: Thallen

Also, don't expect a terrible amount of replies from me in this thread. I can only post one message every eight hours.

Thanks to everyone who participated, and I'm sorry to anyone who was beat in the tournament by Halo/Stella.

Lord Sephiroth
You can be mad at me for not inviting you without accusing me of rigging my own tournament. I like the fact that I'm accused of rigging my own tournament because two other idiots decided they were going to switch accounts because it would be fun/funny. I should have listened to other people when they said that I shouldn't have invited Stella to begin with. Oh well, it's done now.

Deophite
You're a smart guy. You can put the pieces together. An IP log of some sort or a confession from Halo or Stella would be the only absolute proof possible, but I don't think there are IP logs and I doubt either of them will confess. Put all of the pieces together: Xanatos, my conversation with Prado (and Stella's apparent confession to him), Stella sparring exactly like halo and doing a move that only he does, "Halo" having no delay, Stella delaying like Halo, the fact that Halo has done this multiple times before (and had an account banned for it), neither of them really saying anything when I was accusing them of switching accounts... it doesn't take a genius to put the pieces together. Trust me, they switched accounts. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the fact that they logged off and back on immediately following the tournament. And I also forgot to mention that Stella isn't good enough to do as well as she did in this tournament.

Malinko
You checked IPs? What did you check for? Do you have an IP log or only the last known IPs? How are you going to check anything other than the last known IP of the last person on each account, which won't do a bit of good.

Thallen
I didn't say that Halo only sparred for Stella against me. I said that he certainly did it against you in the third round and probably against Exodus in the second round too, but I doubt they did it against Cyclone since it was one of the first spars and Halo hadn't lost yet. But I wouldn't put that past them, either.

Oh this will spark up a good couple of flame posts.

Never fails whenever someone hosts this kind of thing, someone is accused of hacking, or someone is hacking, or someone changed accounts or is accused of changing accounts or letting people spar for them ect.

I don't think i've ever seen a spar like this go off where there was no controversy and where the host wasn't involved in it.

tbh I came in first cuz im best sparrer ever ^^

More rules would be nice like if you have Monstrous Lag of Doom then you cant participate unless you fix it. Also i say Stella beat you until i see REAL proof that says otherwise. I meen ever heard of UDP. Shes totally different when she changes it.

deophie would you be kind and not quoute the whole post? , BTW no one really cares about your pathetic tournament with bad sparrers around the world. Isn't there a forum for unholynation players anywhere? :S *looks around*

Lol That Is Too Funny. Stella Owns Highlander So He Says She Cheated.

I doubt Stella can beat everyone. Arann can own him/her and he's not even like "grawl elitz lol".

Then again, im not saying I can beat him/her.

How pathetic. Crying over a spar tournament. "Oh noes! She beat me so it must be another person on her account!!!1"

Sad.

Checked IPs.

Nothing.

Well, in entirety, the spar tourney turned out to be pretty poorly planned, and in results, a waste of time, basically. I think it's selfish for Highlander to assume that Halo only used Stella's account to spar him. Then again, call me selfish, because I think Halo began using her account in the second round, after Halo lost the first round. Maybe the person who beat Cyclone was the real Stella, maybe not. I'm not whining about losing, but I think several people were cheated out of a good chance. You have to understand the little 'group' there are in these tournies. Stella, Halo, Ares, they're all buddies, they act equally retarded, and I know for a fact that they share accounts. They all bank together with Scene's extra account on Bomy Lands, also. I know Halo has sparred for Aarian before, too. They basically admitted it was Halo on Stella's account, after "she" won. I wasn't sure if it was her or not, but if I look back on it, I had told others how hard she was to hit. I guess they thought it'd be funny, but it was pretty stupid... that's to be expected of their little group, though. I think the five who would have had the best chance had this all would be HL, QS, Tyrant, Torrent, or myself. I pretty much didn't care about sparring QS for first place.

Overall, the moral of the story is that in every single tourney with some sort of hype around it, someone will cheat.

Yeah, I had the same reaction.

Yeah...I woulda won had I not been on so much damn acid during that tourney. I kinda stopped paying attention to josh half-way through the second spar because I was seeing a pink aura around my graal charactor and it trailed everytime I moved and I was just focusing in on that. :P The whole thing sounds like it was annoying anyway, and I'm pretty glad I got eliminated when I did, playing Graal while tripping is fun, but dealing with bull**** definately isn't and all this probably just woulda brought me down.

btw Haly says:
k be like "Fine,I admit it. I went over Stella's house and sparred for her in the
finals then after winning we had massive amount of sex in celebration of
winning such an important tourny, oh and ares joined in too."

-Halo

hahahaha

hahahaha

hah.

Bant plx?

I'm not mad at you for not inviting me by all means i'm not nearly as good as most of the people on that list and I'm not an active sparrer so I see your means for not doing so.
I wasn't accusing you either, i'm just saying that history has shown that often when these tournaments are held the host is always brought into question, it comes with the position.
Much like PWA and Flaming, they come in pairs.

I would just like to point out that you typed up an essay crying about losing a sparring tournament.

If you lost to Stella or "Stella" then you would cry too. I wouldn't cry if I lost to "Stella" but to Stella I would certianly. Also, SOME OF US KNOW IT ALL!! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA! MUWAHAHAHHA!

I write fast, but anyway...

Stella admitted to Neo Jenova earlier today that she let Halo spar for her against Thallen (in a public spar with other people around. i think primal also saw it and there were other people there. i didn't actually see it because i was pming nj at the time, but i saw part of their conversation a second later and knew that she confessed. nj told me a second later that that's what she said, and primal said that he might have seen her say that), but denied doing so against me, Exodus, and Cyclone. That's a lie though, since Prado told me the "The real Stella says she could beat you anyway" (from one of the screenshots I got). Also, Ares knows everything and I think he was possibly the person who suggested doing it or kind of pushed them to do it (he at least knew all along) because he was bitter about losing in the first round and mad that I wouldn't make an exception for NJ to be in the tournament, but he won't say anything because Halo and Stella are his friends, he's probably afraid that they'll get banned or something, and he's just all around an immature 14-year-old jacka*s who has, along with people like Halo, done stupid stuff like this before. He would rather just see me get called a crybaby and accused of rigging my tournament than own up to anything. You can see Ares's general bitterness in the pm's from yesterday, and you can also see me catch him telling a blatant lie. He said that he had a GP check their IPs, but the only person on with RC the entire time was Xanatos (Mercy), a GFX person, the guy who helped me host the tournament, and a member of Halo and Stella's family. Then later on from that day I pm him saying that that's some g*y s**t because I had just found out from NJ and Thallen that they had switched accounts, and he doesn't ask what's g*y or anything, just messages another example of his anger at me not making an exception for NJ. In the messages from today, I start out by sending him a link to this thread. He addresses something meaningless instead of what actually happened, and then tries to downplay the significance of the tournament, what happened, and what everyone is saying on here. And then in response to the history of myself and NJ that I sent to him (which mentioned Stella's confession to him and various other stuff. i would post it but don't have permission currently), he states that to him, Stella and Halo were just having fun. I guess he means they were having fun being in my wonderful tournament, and it isn't a reference to them switching accounts and ruining the tournament. Also, I should mention again that Stella confessed to letting Halo spar for her against Thallen (which is reason enough to d/q both of them), but is too stupid and immature to say the same thing about me. NJ tried to get her to PM her confession to me, but she said that she "isn't going to tell Highlander anything." Or that c***y b***h anything. Something along those lines.

You = Me
Opposite = Ares

Yesterday

Opposite (Sun Mar 05 21:27:26 2006):

ura ****ing joke

You (Sun Mar 05 21:28:39 2006):

too f*****g bad that's not stella. it's halo. stella was delaying and using moves
halo uses, and halo wasnt delaying a split second

You (Sun Mar 05 21:29:12 2006):

halo wasnt delaying a SPLIT second

You (Sun Mar 05 21:29:25 2006):

they f*****g switched accounts. i wont say anything, but that wasnt stella

Opposite (Sun Mar 05 21:29:44 2006):

IT WAS STELLA I HAD A DAMN GP CHECK I.PS

You (Sun Mar 05 21:30:03 2006):

WHAT GP DUMBF**K

You (Sun Mar 05 21:30:21 2006):

only one on is mercy dumba*s

Opposite (Sun Mar 05 21:30:56 2006):

well idk but halo was sparrin nj 5times when it was 2-0 stella

You (Sun Mar 05 21:40:40 2006):

thats some g*y s**t ares

Opposite (Sun Mar 05 21:40:59 2006):

*** **** like nj not bein put in

You (Sun Mar 05 21:41:33 2006):

ares he was f*****g late. i told everyone not to be late. i told him to set an alarm
clock or something. he was 15 minutes late and i already made and massed
the list. give me a break. i couldnt tell someone not to spar

You (Sun Mar 05 22:10:43 2006):

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?i...16169738mr.png

Opposite (Sun Mar 05 22:13:39 2006):

pm me it agn

You (Sun Mar 05 22:14:02 2006):

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?i...16169738mr.png

Today

You (Mon Mar 06 16:22:12 2006):

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums....php?p=1157620
#post1157620

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:23:17 2006):

LOL i share my account with alot of people now?

You (Mon Mar 06 16:23:41 2006):

?

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:24:27 2006):

You have to understand the little 'group' there are in these tournies. Stella,
Halo, Ares, they're all buddies, they act equally retarded, and I know for a
fact that they share accounts.
-thall

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:24:34 2006):

thall is a dip**** 4real

You (Mon Mar 06 16:24:51 2006):

why is this about you? i'm being called a crybaby and accused of rigging my
own tournament

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:25:20 2006):

its just *** how thall says im dumb when hes proving himself a *******
himself

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:25:55 2006):

personally i think u should just start up another wgfc again

*****PM History of myself and NJ sent to Ares removed from the log here*****

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:30:55 2006):

to me halo and stella were just having fun

You (Mon Mar 06 16:32:31 2006):

to me i'm being called a crybaby and accused of rigging my tournament, when i
was trying to hold an honest tournament. basically, i'm getting f****d because i
tried to do the right thing and not make an exception for nj, who i really wanted in
the tourney

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:32:41 2006):

the only people being *** to you on forums r people that people suck and r
mad about not bein invited to the tournament

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:33:01 2006):

if u rly wanted him in u would've let him in

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:33:26 2006):

or atleast i wouldve lol

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:33:49 2006):

dont stress urself 4real because people who r saying this tourney is rigged are
dumb ****s

You (Mon Mar 06 16:48:43 2006):

you won't go on the forum and say that Stella and Halo switched accounts?

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:49:02 2006):

I CANT IDONT KNO MY PW FOR ARES ON FORUMS

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:49:13 2006):

iwoulda posted alot by now

You (Mon Mar 06 16:49:32 2006):

can i post our log then with you saying that they switched accounts?

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:49:58 2006):

when didi say they switched accts

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:50:03 2006):

iforget

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:51:21 2006):

oh the way halo & stella just havin fun? go ahead idc

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:55:55 2006):

you realize it was a guess on what i thought

You (Mon Mar 06 16:56:20 2006):

not what i've heard, but whatever you wanna say

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 16:59:14 2006):

wait what? not what ive heard?

You (Mon Mar 06 16:59:58 2006):

don't really wanna talk to you right now. if you grow up in the next few minutes, let
me know

Opposite (Mon Mar 06 17:00:39 2006):

IM CONFUSED

You (Mon Mar 06 18:19:19 2006):

found your password, i see

The last message from me was a reference to seeing Ares on the graalonline forums no more than ten minutes after he told me he didn't know his password.

god this is better than TV.

Best soap opera ever...har har.

I don't even particularly care for Highlander, but I think you guys telling him to "stop crying" and stuff like that is stupid. He seemed to put a lot of effort into the tournament, and people stayed over an hour to participate it to basically have a joke played on them, which wasn't even funny. Most of the people who are posting like that can't spar for anything regardless, and their excuse is because they aren't nerds, or they don't care I guess, though that type seem to have the most hours spent online. Wierd.

So isn't account sharing illegal, anyway?

BAN HAMMER TIME!

Yeah and so is posting convos without permission...I'm not sure if I missed that part where you said you had permission, I'm just warning.

This is what happens when you try to organize something on Graal.