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Gambet 04-14-2005 11:48 PM

Era...
 
There has been 2 management changes in the past month. First, Snake was appointed manager, and then he quit and handed his position down to Rance. Now, Rance has quit and has handed down his position to Rick. A management position is very important, and it's being tossed around like a pizza. What's going on with Era?

Minoc 04-15-2005 12:06 AM

Playerworlds are, and have always been, unstable.
Nothing would ever change without proper supervision.

zim5354 04-15-2005 01:31 AM

Era is just well dieing....agin I have had alot of memories there but stuff comes and goes gotta flow with the wind.

xManiamaNx 04-15-2005 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet
Two people have passed down the title of manager in the past month.

Who cares? If they want to step down, let them step down. It is better than having someone that is inactive.

edit: whoah, the time on this reply is 1 hour earlier than when i submitted it. It should be 6 posts down :eek:

ThinkDifferent 04-15-2005 03:10 AM

If this is the Rick I am thinking of, he will straighten out Era, as I have known Rick to do a very good job.

YenroY777 04-15-2005 03:23 AM

Era wont die...

Skyld 04-15-2005 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YenroY777
Era wont die...

Era most certainly will not die.

Gambet 04-15-2005 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThinkDifferent
If this is the Rick I am thinking of, he will straighten out Era, as I have known Rick to do a very good job.

He could grow to be the best manager on Graal, but that is not the point of this thread. Two people have passed down the title of manager in the past month. That is what I'm concerned about.

Obvious 04-15-2005 03:51 AM

Snake left because of him going to college.
Velox left because of people making a petition against him and he was emotionally unstable.. x.x

HoudiniMan 04-15-2005 04:32 AM

People have priorities...

Kudos for being in touch with what they're capable (or uncapable) of contributing to the server.

Evil_Trunks 04-15-2005 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet
He could grow to be the best manager on Graal, but that is not the point of this thread. Two people have passed down the title of manager in the past month. That is what I'm concerned about.

What's wrong with a manager resigning? I think it's very rude to go around saying management is "tossed around like a pizza." You don't even play Era, so you wouldn't really know what's going on. Go back and idle on Zone RC with your FAQ tag or something?

Velox Cruentus 04-15-2005 02:01 PM

*sigh* Need I explain again?
Snakeandy7 quit because of college, life, tralala.

I resigned for a multitude of reasons. The Petition was only the piveting point. As Cassy may have witnessed before the petition, perhaps a week before, I was already not feeling so great. I am a developer, a scripter -- Someone who wants to get things done. But as Manager, people felt that I had the responsibility to not play at all, answer everyone's questions in full elaborate (and complete) responses, to take all the bull****, to fix every problem NOW. I couldn't do that. The more you complained about each single flaw in the game, the more I was delayed. I was sufficating as Manager because you wouldn't leave me any place to breathe and work. I go on working, 3 hours staight. I come back, and my RC is filled with PMs -- The players are accusing me of ignoring them.

I didn't want to be accused of all you accused me of. Most of it is false rumors, misconceptions, tralala...

As for Rick -- You've been yelling about his "Away" for what, 5 days now? Just because he's busy most of the time and doesn't answer PMs doesn't mean he isn't doing his job. A Manager's job isn't to answer questions... It isn't to make you sit on your lap and promise you presents. We're workers, developers. We plan the work that has to be done, and we see to it that it is done. We hire and fire staff as we see need. That is the Manager's job. It isn't to fix problems NOW. It's to fix then all in all when they have the ability and time to.

That is mainly my reason of resigning. As much as I tried to make you understand it's not my job to be questioned, I ended up ignoring those who asked me questions that should have been asked to someone who works in that field (Gangs and Businesses go to Morg, for example. You IM me about them, and you'd've been assured no response).

How about you just all together stop irratating him and leaving him do his own job? In a month, then you may consider him doing it appropiately or not.

sage_scooby 04-15-2005 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus
...
But as Manager, people felt that I had the responsibility to not play at all, answer everyone's questions in full elaborate (and complete) responses, to take all the bull****, to fix every problem NOW. I couldn't do that. The more you complained about each single flaw in the game, the more I was delayed. I was sufficating as Manager because you wouldn't leave me any place to breathe and work. I go on working, 3 hours staight. I come back, and my RC is filled with PMs -- The players are accusing me of ignoring them.

I didn't want to be accused of all you accused me of. Most of it is false rumors, misconceptions, tralala...
...
A Manager's job isn't to answer questions... It isn't to make you sit on your lap and promise you presents. We're workers, developers. We plan the work that has to be done, and we see to it that it is done. We hire and fire staff as we see need. That is the Manager's job. It isn't to fix problems NOW. It's to fix then all in all when they have the ability and time to.

The truth of his words pain me lolz. The hardest thing to do when you manage a PW is actually work(in the development sense).

zell12 04-15-2005 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus
*sigh* Need I explain again?
Snakeandy7 quit because of college, life, tralala.

Hehe, you reminded me of that Gunther fella from some Europe band. ;)

Isn't there a rule where if a server goes through so many manager changes it gets like shutdown or something like that?


oh, you touch my tralala... mmmm my ding ding dong

Inspiration 04-15-2005 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zell12
Isn't there a rule where if a server goes through so many manager changes it gets like shutdown or something like that?

If there is, it would certainly be a dumb rule, as that is promoting inactive/uninterested managers to keep their positions.

No one knows for sure if they will enjoy, or be able and fit, to be a manager until they take the job. I see nothing wrong with someone passing the spot on to someone else capable if they feel they do not want the job any longer. I'd rather someone willing and able was managing a server, than someone just there because they feel it is their responsibility.

Snakeandy7 04-15-2005 05:44 PM

I quit due to reasons I don't want to say. :-).
To all the people who thought I made the petition to remove Velox, you're wrong. I sent the information inside the petition to Spark. Someone got ahold of this information and put it into the petition.

Gambet 04-15-2005 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks
What's wrong with a manager resigning? I think it's very rude to go around saying management is "tossed around like a pizza." You don't even play Era, so you wouldn't really know what's going on. Go back and idle on Zone RC with your FAQ tag or something?


#1) I never idle on Zone RC. I always answer all questions when I view the PM bubble, so watch what you say. I take a lot of my time to handle things related to Zone, so I dont appreciate your little comment. Whenever I go away from my computer, I either change my nick on RC to let everyone know I'm not around to answer questions, or I log off RC.

#2) I dont need to play a server to see whats going on. Most oldbies know how things run and how things work, besides, if I log on one day and see snake with a manager tag, then a week or two later see Velox with a manager tag, then a week or two later I see Rick with a manager tag, well, I'd have to be completely brainless to not notice that the mangement has changed between three people in the past month.

Crono 04-15-2005 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeandy7
I quit due to reasons I don't want to say. :-)

o cum on :(!! plz??

a little bit off topic but I remember the sanstrata manager shifts. they had a new manager like every week or two after new sans was thrown away :P

Andy0687 04-15-2005 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami
a little bit off topic but I remember the sanstrata manager shifts. they had a new manager like every week or two after new sans was thrown away :P

Anyone remember Elven Lands? What?

Manager changes arent neccessarily a bad thing. If more managers followed this system that Era is re-creating now, mabye some servers would have a better chance at survival.

koopa1128 04-16-2005 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc
Playerworlds are, and have always been, unstable.
Nothing would ever change without proper supervision.

Thats what I'm talking about!!

I say hire one global to supervise everything and anything, Make it so people can't say graal is curropt anymore, Bring the justice hammer on everyone?!


:eek:

smurfmidgetninja 04-16-2005 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet
There has been 2 management changes in the past month. First, Snake was appointed manager, and then he quit and handed his position down to Rance. Now, Rance has quit and has handed down his position to Rick. A management position is very important, and it's being tossed around like a pizza. What's going on with Era?


Rick is a very capable manager....he has done alot for Era...and I think he will do a fine job.

Malinko 04-16-2005 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velox Cruentus
*sigh* Need I explain again?
Snakeandy7 quit because of college, life, tralala.

I resigned for a multitude of reasons. The Petition was only the piveting point. As Cassy may have witnessed before the petition, perhaps a week before, I was already not feeling so great. I am a developer, a scripter -- Someone who wants to get things done. But as Manager, people felt that I had the responsibility to not play at all, answer everyone's questions in full elaborate (and complete) responses, to take all the bull****, to fix every problem NOW. I couldn't do that. The more you complained about each single flaw in the game, the more I was delayed. I was sufficating as Manager because you wouldn't leave me any place to breathe and work. I go on working, 3 hours staight. I come back, and my RC is filled with PMs -- The players are accusing me of ignoring them.

I didn't want to be accused of all you accused me of. Most of it is false rumors, misconceptions, tralala...

As for Rick -- You've been yelling about his "Away" for what, 5 days now? Just because he's busy most of the time and doesn't answer PMs doesn't mean he isn't doing his job. A Manager's job isn't to answer questions... It isn't to make you sit on your lap and promise you presents. We're workers, developers. We plan the work that has to be done, and we see to it that it is done. We hire and fire staff as we see need. That is the Manager's job. It isn't to fix problems NOW. It's to fix then all in all when they have the ability and time to.

That is mainly my reason of resigning. As much as I tried to make you understand it's not my job to be questioned, I ended up ignoring those who asked me questions that should have been asked to someone who works in that field (Gangs and Businesses go to Morg, for example. You IM me about them, and you'd've been assured no response).

How about you just all together stop irratating him and leaving him do his own job? In a month, then you may consider him doing it appropiately or not.

I find it completely sad if anyone further tries to argue about this subject. Rance explained very well. Era isn't going to die.


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