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craig17 09-18-2004 12:03 PM

Free server....
 
They should make one server free like it used to be Graal The Adventure. Its been around and had it's time, Why not make it free and let them have all the abilities that we have they can also have too, It can bring in alot of people to graal, show a little bit about graal. Through that can also bring in paying customers for player worlds, and other servers. That server used to be one of the funnest servers around, it was Where all the oldbies are from :P I used to play graal everyday and have worked on many servers that got to a point and never made it up which sucks, well except bravo but got boring, got into Era from the begging, now its more or less wrecked in my eyes, as is kingdoms. I think the all Time best server was the good old server, It brought me to graal and alot of my friends, Think Kraken was the one who told me about graal. I dunno Just be nice to see a server again with alot of people on it with sparring, friends fighting wars lol heh the good old time of all the guild wars, with many people in the guilds. I come on now time to time just to see what goes on and what is new with graal or just to see people complain and corruption, if you sit back and watch it all its funny. You think is there anyway that the server could ever be free again??

Never hurts to ask, and can benfit you guys maybe make a cap on it for a limited of time like a year or 2 years of free playing on it, make more things also to do on it for the oldbies. Anyways just answer me back and to everyone else who reads this feel free to leave me an opinion I would like to know what everyone thinks.....


Could someone also make a vote toll for this? Never knew how to if not just post what you all think on the topic here anyway :P Thanks

Rick 09-18-2004 12:54 PM

My brain hurts after reading that.

You can already 'show a little bit' (a lot more, actually) to trial players, the only restrictions imposed on trial players are limited PMs and no saving. If you ask me, trial players should be limited even more.

The common misconception is that the old servers were better ('the good old times') -- the only reason for this is because of how precious those memories of the servers are to us all, none of us would actually play that crap nowadays, just look at how Graal 2000 (or was it 1998/1999) server flopped.

Crono 09-18-2004 02:13 PM

Rick, i'd go back to playing xone any time. The levels are great even for today.

The reason we all miss the old times is because back then the people weren't as stupid as they are today. If you go on a server like Era you'll see a bunch of 12 year olds who think they're cool because they have a OMG CHAIN GUN OF DISASTER. Back then I enjoyed playing in 2001-2002. Then the good servers started to suck and it just went downhill.

Rick 09-18-2004 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami
Rick, i'd go back to playing xone any time. The levels are great even for today.

The reason we all miss the old times is because back then the people weren't as stupid as they are today. If you go on a server like Era you'll see a bunch of 12 year olds who think they're cool because they have a OMG CHAIN GUN OF DISASTER. Back then I enjoyed playing in 2001-2002. Then the good servers started to suck and it just went downhill.

2001-2002? Pfft. Graal went downhill in 1999! Really! Not after! *grins evilly!* (What someone else would say, I bet.)

NeoJenova 09-18-2004 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
2001-2002? Pfft. Graal went downhill in 1999! Really! Not after! *grins evilly!* (What someone else would say, I bet.)

WTF Graal is the best game EVER. :\ :\ :\

Malinko 09-18-2004 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoJenova
WTF Graal is the best game EVER. :\ :\ :\

OMG YESH! IT ISH TEH BEST GAME EVER!

Gambet 09-18-2004 05:50 PM

Malinko, you really are a *****.

Anyways, i agree, Graal The Adventure, or Classic as everyone knows it by, should be a free server for everyone. It doesnt even have an NPC-Server and its like a look into the past of graal.

konidias 09-18-2004 06:23 PM

This was brought up to Stefan and he shot it down. I agree with him also. It takes away the whole purpose of trial accounts. That is what they are for. For you to test out Graal on your computer and get a feel of the game. Not play it for free.

There is no positive side to this, at all. It will bring more freeloaders, not paying customers. It will cost more to run a server that is jam packed with people that aren't paying for anything. It will constantly be attacked by hackers because they will have total freedom on it compared to being on trials and having some limitations, not to mention being obvious that they are hacking because they have like 2 minutes online time and a ton of items or something.

Gold accounts don't cost that much. If you can't afford to pay once to access all classic servers for life, then that just sucks and maybe you should save some money if you really want to play. The only suggestion I'd make for payments, is that they offer more payment options. Because I no longer have a paypal account but I have a neteller account which I could pay with. (which is basically the same as paypal)

Graal needs to look into the more payment options and also try to do some free advertising to attract new people. They don't need to make servers free for people to sponge on.

brock128 09-18-2004 06:50 PM

Koni - The only time Graal had an active and healthy comunity was when everybody was a freeloader.

And also, I love how Unix stands by his statement that graal will always be free, and passes this off as playing it.

craig17 09-18-2004 10:15 PM

The whole free trial thing for graal the adventure sucks though not being able to keep what you have... and getting alot more, and when something is free sure there is free loaders but what about money? money alot of people become assh***s just because they had to pay for the game, or its all about pw power, that most of the time goes no where, and I did say in my 1st post maybe have it only a limited of time yr to 2 yrs, why you so worried about hacking? we have always been able to over come hacking, and every game out there is hacking for it. Would you wanna play on a server with 50 assh***s??? or a server with 250 cool people that like to have fun and have the 50 assh***s be by them selves, or the selfish ones???
Having one of old good memories of server be free with everyone on it would be great. of the servers we have now I wouldent play any of them I would like to play val just becuase of some friends but I stay out of it all, I go on classic periodaly, I have a place I always hang out that use to be populated, where U go anywhere on the server and its not anywhere populated. Sure we have paid money I got vip thats what we got all the other serves for that is our benefit, graal the adventure wow whys it such a big deal if its free not liek it wouldent really be fair if they got it free and we paid for it. I guess unless thats the server you paid for and wanted to play..... But I highly doubt it.

Damix2 09-18-2004 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
The common misconception is that the old servers were better ('the good old times') -- the only reason for this is because of how precious those memories of the servers are to us all, none of us would actually play that crap nowadays, just look at how Graal 2000 (or was it 1998/1999) server flopped.

To throw my two cents in...

Everyone liked classic because it had so many people on at a time. 200-300 people made the game interesting. People also liked Graal2001. Even though it had lesser numbers, it was new and different and thats what the people liked.

Darlene159 09-18-2004 10:33 PM

Making classic free will not bring back what it was before p2p, the community made it what it was, and the community is not what it used to be, and wont be even if it was free.
I dont think Stefan or Unixmad can afford to run pw's for free anymore, that's why we have to pay, I imagine it is quite expensive

Loriel 09-18-2004 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Damix2
People also liked Graal2001. Even though it had lesser numbers, it was new and different and thats what the people liked.

The cool part is that it managed to stay new and different for a pretty long time.

Damix2 09-19-2004 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel
The cool part is that it managed to stay new and different for a pretty long time.

Thanks to you and the wonderful 2k1 team =D

Anyway also a little eliteism helped it along also, people with p2p's felt they were better then the classic players.

konidias 09-19-2004 02:14 AM

You can't compare old classic to a new free classic. It's impossible. For one, at the time, classic was really the only server. So everyone played it and it was the one that had all the focus on it. Two, Graal was new to pretty much everyone, and the community was new and all inexperienced. You can't bring back the past just like it was.

Also, some of you keep acting like Stefan/Unix care about the playercount. That is not their priority. 5000 free players doesn't equal 1 gold player in profit.

thrashsoul 09-19-2004 04:50 AM

I think this isn't needed.

Slash-P2P 09-19-2004 05:00 AM

My opinion is, trial accounts should completly expire after 7 days or something. Also, the IP of who made the account should be recorded to it so they cannot make another trial account or something like that....

It lets people get a taste of Graal...and not play it forever for free....

I am for limiting trial accounts even more.

vahn32 09-19-2004 07:49 AM

I'm for putting less of a restriction on Trials in some cases, and more of a restriction in others.
For example: On Era you can't even KILL anyone, yet you can take damage. Going around after buying your brand new gun and being restricted from defending yourself is complete ludacris. Then again, most everything on Era is ludacris these days.

1 PM per minute is quite a long time if you're trying to have a conversation. Sure, you could do it on player, but you're too busy trying to run into a NoPK zone because you can't hit people.

Making a server dedicated to Trials might work out if an automatic 'hacking' detection system was implemented and instant bans for trials instead of a staff 'warning' in RC.

Spark910 09-19-2004 01:23 PM

While it would be nice, it would be too bad too.
Trial accounts aren't designed for play - and quite how all these people can stay on a trial account for years being reset with every connection is beyond me - so if you gave them a whole server, they'd be even less likely to upgrade.

XxDarkrazorxX 09-19-2004 02:45 PM

I agree....just.......give them a server and stuff them in 1 level ^_^ XD

brock128 09-19-2004 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias
You can't compare old classic to a new free classic. It's impossible. For one, at the time, classic was really the only server. So everyone played it and it was the one that had all the focus on it. Two, Graal was new to pretty much everyone, and the community was new and all inexperienced. You can't bring back the past just like it was.

Also, some of you keep acting like Stefan/Unix care about the playercount. That is not their priority. 5000 free players doesn't equal 1 gold player in profit.

The fact that the focus was new and different really helped. Kingdoms is just another generic, crappy MMORPG. Graal, the original graal, was new and different. That's why it attracted so many people.

But then one day, instead of keeping a happy userbase, they desided to make money off it.
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Originally Posted by Spark910
Trial accounts aren't designed for play

See my above post.
:whatever:

Darlene159 09-19-2004 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128
But then one day, instead of keeping a happy userbase, they desided to make money off it.

You act like it is a crime for Stefan and Unixmad to get the money back that they have put into Graal...unless they had mega-money from the start or someone else footing the bill for them, then they couldn't do it forever. Money doesn't grow on trees you know x_x

vahn32 09-19-2004 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
You act like it is a crime for Stefan and Unixmad to get the money back that they have put into Graal...unless they had mega-money from the start or someone else footing the bill for them, then they couldn't do it forever. Money doesn't grow on trees you know x_x

In Sims 2 it does 8) xD

Sure, I agree that the owners of Graal should be able to reap some profit off of the game, but I don't think that putting super heavy restrictions on Trial accounts is going to help them much. ;p

GoZelda 09-19-2004 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
You act like it is a crime for Stefan and Unixmad to get the money back that they have put into Graal...unless they had mega-money from the start or someone else footing the bill for them, then they couldn't do it forever. Money doesn't grow on trees you know x_x

I thought the classics were living off the 'Gold' accounts back then?

Crono 09-19-2004 09:30 PM

I'm against more restrictions. Graal was once free and I'm still pissed off about the full p2p thing introduced in the summer of 2002, when enigma died after having a GOOD WEEK.

Darlene159 09-19-2004 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda
I thought the classics were living off the 'Gold' accounts back then?

What? Gold accounts were not introduced from the beginning, back when there was just classic, then a few more added, Graal was free

craig17 09-20-2004 01:05 AM

I dunno I think It just be fun to have a good old memeory of graal just free for everyone, It just feels like graal is falling apart slowly. mayeb graal 3d will put it back togtehr but I can see it turing out to be really greedy as it goes on like kingdoms, guess we will see.

Spark910 09-20-2004 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128
See my above post.
:whatever:

Well:
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Graalonline.com Website - http://www.graalonline.com/about/join.php
The main purpose of this Trial Mode is to make sure you can successfully install and run the Graal game client on your computer. Secondly, this gives you a chance to check out what Graal worlds look like before you decide on a subscription plan.
Basically to make sure it all works, and then there is to see if you like the look of it too - not designed for playing on, atleast not for that long.

But hmm, yeah, well... let say I'd move some things around and change some subscription plans if I was in control >_<

konidias 09-20-2004 05:37 PM

It goes like this:

1. Graal was made. It was free at first. Lots of people came and played.

2. The servers started getting expensive to maintain. Every new playerworld that came out required more bandwidth, space, etc.

3. They introduced gold accounts, and introduced Graal 2k1/Bomy Moon.

4. Then eventually I guess they still weren't making enough (especially when 2k1 started to fade out) so they made the buy a gold and get classic free forever, and that's how it's been since.

5. They made GK to try to attract people to gold, and turned 2k1 into a classic server because it had fallen apart.

In my opinion, I think they should have more servers on the gold list. Like a few awesome playerworlds should make it gold. That way people will feel that they get what they pay for. Instead of just GK that a lot of people no longer play, including myself.

Spark910 09-20-2004 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by konidias

In my opinion, I think they should have more servers on the gold list. Like a few awesome playerworlds should make it gold. That way people will feel that they get what they pay for. Instead of just GK that a lot of people no longer play, including myself.

Yeah, this is the current thing being worked on, along with other things.

Projectshifter 09-20-2004 08:36 PM

I dislike this idea greatly. I see it as a disadvantage to the players who pay their money, and did it so they could use the servers. If trial accounts can suddenly use a server with no drawbacks, they'll all stay on it. Then they wil no longer be on servers such as UN, and then it will lower their desire to want to upgrade. I like the idea about giving trial accounts a time limit on how long they are valid for.

Curt1zzle 09-20-2004 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
I imagine it is quite expensive

You imagined wrong.

As far as game hosting goes, or any hosting, it's dirt cheap.

Darlene159 09-20-2004 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle
You imagined wrong.

As far as game hosting goes, or any hosting, it's dirt cheap.

I am sure that isn't the only expense that goes into running Graal

Projectshifter 09-24-2004 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle
You imagined wrong.

As far as game hosting goes, or any hosting, it's dirt cheap.

Yes, because bandwidth doesn't cost anything, and the fact that graal has many servers doesn't mean anything either. Also considering the fact that the income is based ENTIRELY upon registration and upgrading of players, I think you're quite mistaken and have no idea what you're talking about :)


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