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D1ce2 04-11-2004 06:13 PM

Gods = way unbalanced:
 
Well,I was looking through the gods section due to the bow of aengus. Well I noticed,
Bile and Brigid= alike.

Brigid
Attacktype(s): NONE
Resistance(s): Drain +100, Depletion +100, Death +100
Vulnerable: Fear -100
Attuned: Protection, Summoning
Repelled: n/a
Denied: Death, Wounding
Special: Health_Regen +2, Grace_Regen +3, NO WEAPONS

Granted Spell(s): Spiderweb (low level), Wall of Thorns (low level), Insect Plague (low level), Remove Damnation (medium level), Daylight (medium level), Sanctuary (medium level), Ironwood Skin (medium level), Nightfall (medium level), Peace (medium level), Raise Dead/Resurrection (medium level), Reincarnation (high level)
Altar Effect(s): Remove Damnation, Remove Curse
Holy Relic(s): Brigid's Shield of Earth (high level, rare), Brigid's Tears (health potion, high level, frequently), Flowers (high level, frequently) Glove of the Sun (medium level, medium)
Avatar: 2x2, 1000 hp, ac -5 wc -1 dam 50 armour 50 Attacktypes: Physical

Bile
Attacktype(s): Drain, Depletion, Death, Life Stealing
Resistance(s): Fear +100, Drain +100, Depletion +100, Death +100, Poison +30
Vulnerable: Fire -30
Attuned: Death, Wounding
Repelled: Protection, Restoration, Light
Denied: Fire, Turning (As of yet, fire is NOT denied)
Special: Immune Diseases, Health_Regen -1, Sustenance +100, Infravision

Granted Spell(s): Nightfall (medium level), Finger of Death (medium level), Face of Death (medium level), Cause Many Wounds (medium level), Cause Red Death (medium level), Cause Black Death (high level) Nightfall, Finger of Death and Face of Death do not work although they are attainable
Altar Effect(s): Enchant Weapon (medium)
Holy Relic(s): n/a
Avatar: 1x1, 350 hp, ac -12 wc -1 dam 50 armour 0 Attack Type: Cold


Both are vunrable to food. And Brigid still manages to get some relics :/.
I think brigid should be lowered if you ask me due to this.

Also i noticed, if your a god, You don't need enchanted weapons for killing things, If you look
Bile
Attacktype(s): Drain, Depletion, Death, Life Stealing
Automatically adds these to your fists/swords fight?

Either way, Post what you think about this

Satrek2000 04-11-2004 06:53 PM

What do you mean, vulnerable to food? Bile has sustenance +100. Brigid cannot use weapons, which is quite a drawback. If at all, the gods should be revised completely, balancing the lot of them. No fixes that someone feels are necessary, no patches of any kind. And don't start working on them until some other, more important things are fixed.

zell12 04-11-2004 06:57 PM

Erm, I think the gods are balanced. Just nothing is completed yet, because Stefan keeps making other pointless stuff.

--Chris-- 04-11-2004 08:50 PM

Gods are fine minus the incompleted spells and unobtainable relics (example: Ogma's bracers.) Once that is done the only other thing I see possibly fit to further balance them would be to compramise for things which don't exist on GK such as Brigid's resist being useless as those attack types take EXP on CF but were disabled on GK.

Googi 04-11-2004 10:23 PM

That's why I pray to Aengus!

Muha_builder 04-11-2004 11:52 PM

Diancecht.

GTXOO 04-12-2004 12:13 AM

Everything is unbalanced.

Gods/IWD/Platinum/Diamonds/Alchemy ? /everything

Myomoto 04-12-2004 02:07 PM

I think theives should be worked more on than the gods right now...

BLOODY-SWORD 04-12-2004 10:23 PM

gods arent really unbalanced, if they were then players would be praying only to certain gods and thats it, all gods are prayed to, meaning that all gods have some positive elements that those players want

Taharu 05-03-2004 06:08 AM

>.> Brigid should be lowered...you would say that after i get her relics d1ce >.> umm no....but i think he meant that brigid and bile both get sustenance +100 because of the depletion +100 which he thought was related to food. unfortunately. this is not true. In fact brigid drains food much faster then any other god because of the health regen +.....but i will concurr that after casting restoration on urself as a brigid worshipper ur grain will regain to half its max without losing any food. but thats just a bonus of her grace she blesses you with. if anything. all of brigid's spells need to be completed as to actually even out the gods. all other gods have the ability to wield weapons. I do not as well as other brigid worshppers. we simply rely on prayer and spells as our offense and with cause wounds and all diseases and death attacks (like rune of death) disabled. it leaves us highly vulnerable to other people without the aide of the spells that were said to be given....the only spells that work, that actually do something are.... iron wood skin...wall of thorns... and sanctuary. nothing else does anything. spiderweb cast out but has no effect. like it doesnt slow players or monsters.... umm. and her gloves they dont add fire damage to ur fist against players only monsters....that should be fixed. hmm...nto to mention ressurection and raise did need to be removed and she needs to gain new spells that will actually server a purpose being that there is no permanent death on GK....(that should have been fixed when u added the gods because this game has never had permanent death)... as far as my suggestion for that i thought that she should recieve a stronger summon being as though she is attuned to summoning and supposedly controls all of nature and it's creatures....another would be sunspear since she recieves gloves of the sun why not be able to control its rays and form the sun spear to strike her blasphemous enemies dead?

Taharu 05-03-2004 06:11 AM

also as far as attack types...it does not add it to u automatically in fist and sword fights...but in fact it will give u or whoever u cast holy possession on the ability to do the attack types with fist...come on d1ce you've been playnig for a while now you should know these things =(

D1ce2 05-03-2004 08:43 AM

Taharu:Yes,I see it as the top,Bile just needs a relic or some easy way to get the spells like
50/100 and so on, plz!

Satrek2000 05-03-2004 01:47 PM

The gods are balanced, it's just that some parts don't work. Also, I do believe that Bile's blessings, i.e. what you get for plainly following him, more than make up the lack of a relic there.

Splke 05-03-2004 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Satrek2000
The gods are balanced, it's just that some parts don't work. Also, I do believe that Bile's blessings, i.e. what you get for plainly following him, more than make up the lack of a relic there.

What you get for following him

Sustenance

WOOOT!? no. Buy the freakin ammy, or cast restoration. That is not a good bonus, or a sub for a relic.

Regen - 1 Woo Woo.. you have the ability to not eat / restore over a longer period of time... wait, now you have to wait longer to regen. D:

Infravision - Haha.. idiotic. Isn't enabled.

I'll admit, the death is nice.

Resists - Fear isn't enabled as anything more than an extra atk type, which is great, but still, you don't need resists to it as is.

tired.. can't argue well

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Satrek2000 05-03-2004 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splke
Sustenance

It's more than 6 times that of the ammy, which means you have to eat even less and have a free slot - which can mean, for example, another 2 ac.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splke
Infravision - Haha.. idiotic. Isn't enabled.

Yes, but it is a potential advantage - rather wait till night/day is avaliable and add it, than adding something else to screw the system up ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splke
I'll admit, the death is nice.

I see we agree on something ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splke
tired.. can't argue well

Then don't :D You also get immunity from disease, which is quite nice since there are some nasty buggers arround nowadays. In addition, cause many wounds iw a worthwhile prayer, even though it is medium level. Plus, you get some nice cold-resistance which always comes in handy.


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