Graal Linux 3.04
 

I installed Graal on linux (RedHat 9.0) earlier and it did work then although too slow to play. That's why I installed the NVIDIA-drivers for Linux. First I tried the newest version (5328) of these drivers. That didn't work because it didn't load the GLX-module (although everything was installed correctly). Then I tried an older version (4620), now the GLX-module gets loaded and I can at least play Tux at a reasonable speed. Glxinfo also shows that everything is allright, but now I can't start graal anymore. Whenever I try to start graal I get a messagebox saying: 'Unable to initialize OpenGL. (Error: Could not load OpenGL library)' .
Anybody got a clue???


:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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Ok, this isn't supposed to be a thread about how NVIDIA does or doesn't suck or Linux or whatever. If you have some suggestions for fixing my problem I would be very thankfull. If you want to discuss the suckyness of NVIDIA or Linux, please start your own thread.
Thank you very much...
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Re: Graal Linux 3.04
 

Get a different graphic's card, nvidia sucks. I had nivida and their card was over clocked and berned out on me.

Nvidia doesn't suck, I <3 my nvidia card.

If anything sucks, it's linux.

Re: Re: Graal Linux 3.04
 

Their cards do not suck, and nVidia cards do not come overclocked. So, either you did it yourself, your case was poorly ventilated, or you simply happened to have that low-probability bad silicon.

Yeah my Geforce FX 5900 rox my sox. :)

As far as the Linux, it does not suck either. :p You just have to know how to use it.

Graal problem, well...I think you should try to reinstall Graal using the shell script. If that doesn't work then I suggest reinstalling your drivers yet again.

This belongs in Tech Support BTW.

I allready did both (several times), maybe I should reinstall the default NV-drivers to look if Graal still works with them. But I do find it odd that all other OpenGL programs I tried do work with the NVIDIA-drivers (ie. find the OpenGL-librarys) and Graal doesn't.

I stand corrected...

On Redhat you have problems with the already installed opengl stuff, so you possibly need to uninstall that, normally there is some information about that in the readme. Some stuff might work, but programs that are linked to the default opengl libraries get problems.

well my xfree installation is broken i will have some fun before i can play graal.

By saying Linux sucks, you show real stupidity.
This was recently posted on my friends forum.

10 Reasons why Linux is superior to Windows.

1. Linux is more stable.

- I've been able to get weeks, months, and even a year of uptime on a linux box. Under windows, i couldn't get a day of uptime. I had to continuously reboot the system. Also to mention: The only true way to crash linux is to cause a Kernel Panic. This happens under rare and extreme circumstances, whereas with windows, the BSOD(Blue screen of Death) is a daily thing.

2. The Linux Kernel is more extendable.

- You can add modules to the kernel without having to restart the system. Under windows if you add a VxD, you have to restart the system, and sometimes the VxD will cause it to hang when you restart.

3. Linux is free.

- You can purchase linux, or you can download it for free (with most distributions). Windows on the other hand you have to pay for, unless you intend on pirating windows, which can land you a $10,000 fine if you are caught.

4. Linux is Open Source.

- You can view the source to the kernel at http://kernel.org . If you had the windows source, to any version other than CE, you would probably have your computer taken by the FBI (if you live in the US).

- There are hundreds, even thousands, of people who work to fix bugs and enhance the Linux kernel. With windows, there are a small few hired by microsoft to handle bugs. Therefore, bugs get fixed faster and on a wider scale in linux.

5. Linux is more secure.

- Because it is open source, there are more people to find and patch security holes in linux. With windows, again, there is a small few that handle this. Also to note: Windows enables unrestricted anonymous filesharing by default.

6. Linux is highly configurable.

- If you don't like something about the way linux is configured, change it. If you don't like something about how windows is configured, hack the registry for a few hours or deal with it.

7. Linux favors stability over style.

- Linux isn't designed to be flashy, it's designed to be efficient and stable. There are people working to make linux user-friendly. Mandrake Linux (http://linux-mandrake.com) is the most user-friendly distribution i've ever used. Windows is designed to be flashy. XP is severely dumbed down, and all the dumbing down they did wastes a lot of hard drive space and RAM.

8. Linux supports more systems than windows.

- Slackware's minimum requirements: (http://slackware.com/install/sysreq.php)
1. Intel 386 CPU
2. 16 MB Ram (32 MB Recommended if you run X)
3. 50 MB Hard Drive space (250 MB if you run X)
4. 3 1/4" Floppy

- Windows XP's Minimum Requirements: (http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/e...on/sysreqs.asp)
1. Intel Pentium-class CPU @ 300 MHz
2. 64 MB Ram (128 MB Recommended for all features)
3. 1.5 GB Hard Disk Space
4. CD-ROM Drive

- Linux also supports more processors than just the intel family. It supports Intel, Alpha, ARM, PPC, and others.


9. Linux supports hardware better than Windows XP.

- My uncle used to run XP. He found it to be incompatible with even his Nike PSAplay (RIO-based MP3 Player) AND his Intel Personal Audio Player 3000.

- Windows XP refused to allow the drivers for his CD-Rom to load.

- Linux worked fine for him right out of the box.

10. The Linux community is self-supporting

- There are TONS of free sources of info on how to use linux, including IRC chats, Forums, and support groups.

- You have to pay to get any serious tech support on windows. (btw, when i called MSN to get the DNS numbers for thier dial-up service, they didn't know what DNS was)

I haven't restarted my Windows machine in about 7 months.. I don't find it unstable at all...

Certain freeware Linux distributions are no longer supported.

Besides being horribly unecessary, most of those points vary depending on your system, how you use it (your work environment) etc., and trying to use them against oppositions doesn't make them very valid.

I likewise have a pentium 2 64 mb ram machine running windows xp, and its on all the time. I havent restarted it in about 14 months now

My xp has never crashed, and the only time i have ever seen it done, was when my friend tired to run half life without installing his graphics drivers, and it caused an infinate loop error. which was the fault of THE CRUDDY MICROSOFT DRIVER, not windows.

I used to run linux, the only reason i came back to windows was because, even though i got it to play DVDs, my old 4x cd writer was not supported, and mplayer was still a long way from supporting the menus on dvds.

I found that on linux, graal ran fine, but there were still several bugs, and it was very sloppy. since i couldnt afford winex/couldnt be bothered to warez it, i even managed to get RC to run on normal wine. fun.

But it was ALOT of hassle, downloading all the crap, just for two things to work?

Now linux is nothing but an empty hard drive in my computer. Shame.

my linux graal 3.04 crashs when xmms and graal is opened at once.

possibly because xmms loves to hog ALL sound resources. I mean ALL. If you run xmms, I pity you. i played tried to have xmms and quake windowed once, and quake died and took xmms with it.

No its a problem of the open sound system used in older Linux distributions. You can only run one program using the sound card, so you possibly need to turn off xmms and KDE sounds before starting a game.

About XP: you must be very lucky if it's working for more than one hour i guess :/ Beside the preinstalled **** (crashing Nvidia drivers, open RPC port) which force people to invest a lot of time to make their system stable and halfway secure, it contains tons of bugs and design errors. Programs freeze other programs (even when just switching tasks it often freezes), to configure something you need to find 10 different control panels and try to find the right option for your problem, Wordpad is using non-existing fonts in the german version (bug since windows95!) and then the very weird things like the whole webpage is displayed in one line. I think windows2000 and windowsXP are fine if you are not installing anything and don't go into the internet, but if you do then the problems start :/ But it depends on what stuff you are using I guess, when you are lucky and have hardware with good drivers and use programs without so many bugs (e.g. Mozilla, OpenOffice) and install some good Firewall you can use it without too many problems, although it might be easier to switch to Linux directly then.
This is just my personal opinion, I know that most Graal players are using Windows and some of them are probably even happy with that :)

w00t. Stefan has the same thoughts about windows as I do :)

*coughreleasealinuxrccough*

Yeah quite right. But why the heck does xmms hate graal?
Or is it the other way round?

They don't hate each other, the problem is the old sound system which couldn't handle more than 1 program in emulation mode, so programs get strange results when they try to do sounds when being the second sound application

I use windows xp.

I use a shell replacement, mozilla firebird, mozilla thunderbird and openoffice.

For aim/msn/icq i use gaim.

Im only two steps away from going the full monty and deleting windows forever.