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disaster 12-19-2003 05:05 AM

Make Gods more =
 
Personally, I think that some Gods are more powerful then others. For instance, Luecetious. No protection spells are allowed to be used among with some others, every 5 levels you can do another +1 when enchanting a weapon, and nobody, not even monsters use lightning attacks so the lightning resistance is useless.

Govannon: Resist Fire (Basically everybody uses fire to hurt people so this is a major plus), every 4 levels you can do another +1 when enchanting a weapon, You can use bascially all spells.

The point im trying to get at here is that the Gods should be revised a bit here. When they were first created, the staff thought that they made them equal because they thought they were going to add in things that would make them all equal. This hasnt happened. Most players pray to Ogma and Govannon because they truly are the best because what they give isnt useless.

Tell me your feelings about this.

AngelDevoid_3-7 12-19-2003 05:22 AM

Alex usues lightning sabre XD plus lightning spells are resisted

disaster 12-19-2003 05:31 AM

response
 
I am just using that as an example. You have to admit that the distribution of what powers the gods have was a bit unfair. I just think it would be better if people started to role play more and chose the God they liked instead of choosing the most powerful one. The only way to do this is to make the God's more equal.

greeno 12-19-2003 05:43 AM

think about it this way, there are more christians than jews, buddhists, hindu's, and all the other less known religions.
There is usually one dominating religion, in Graal's case I would say it's Govannon...

Amagius 12-19-2003 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by greeno
think about it this way, there are more christians than jews, buddhists, hindu's, and all the other less known religions.
There is usually one dominating religion, in Graal's case I would say it's Govannon...

Wow, I never viewed the gods of Graal like that. Nice perception.

disaster 12-19-2003 06:08 AM

response
 
But thats real life. This is a game which has nothing to do with real life whatsoever. Getting struck by lightning would most likely kill you in real life. Getting burned most likely wont. In graal, its the opposite. Fire spells hurt more. It should be spread out more.

Satrek2000 12-19-2003 09:23 AM

I think the only unbalanced thing are the blessing steps - in CF, you get another + every 5 wisdom levels. In GK, it's 4 level for Gov and Ogma, 8 for DianCecht, and 6 for all the others - with a catch, though, the number appears to jump to 8 from wisdom level 20 on (i.e. Bile +4 is 28, not 24, Ogma +6 the same). Make it equal, every god gives a + every 4, 5 or 6 levels, and you'll have them a little more balanced. Also, I agree that lightning-using monsters would be good, same with acid, and maybe a few more undead ones wouldn't hurt. And give Brigid a neat whi for at least some fighting balance ;)

UNPTWOPWINNER 12-19-2003 07:31 PM

Re: Make Gods more =
 
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Originally posted by disaster
so the lightning resistance is useless.


Errr...stand in forked lightning and tell me that. lol

TripleE 12-20-2003 12:40 AM

Re: response
 
Quote:

Originally posted by disaster
But thats real life. This is a game which has nothing to do with real life whatsoever. Getting struck by lightning would most likely kill you in real life. Getting burned most likely wont. In graal, its the opposite. Fire spells hurt more. It should be spread out more.
Wrong my flaming sword of Leuc+4 does more damage to most people than my Flaming sword of Gov+4,and Flaming sword of Ogma+6

Monkeyboy_McGee 12-20-2003 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by AngelDevoid_3-7
Alex usues lightning sabre XD plus lightning spells are resisted
Uh the reason he does most damage with a lightning sabre is probably not because its an LS, but because it's prepped to hell with IWDs....most likely, anyway. I'm just guessing here, since i dont know anything about him :)

LordDrDw 12-26-2003 08:43 AM

To make gods more equal
 
I have some ideas to make gods more better.

Aengus:
First I think Aengus's GFX should be finished for her bow and some special stats added on :). give it something like WC +2 as well and something like slow effect or confusion without needing blessed to her.

Balor:
Obviously his spell is great, but no one worships him and say hes to powerful.. thats quiet a lie. Its just a matter of hitting someone using aura or stopping them before they use it. you pay the price with no relics, very few spells, and not great resistences. he should be added with another spell actualy thats nice and flamign auras time shortened just a bit.

Ogma:
Ogma, make you need higher wis levels to get more of his +'s. And maybe give him another - in his resistence in something like fire. make him much more equal.

Govannon:
well the -magic resist can be a tad hurtful, but fire resist is a wonderful make up and his great blessings. He should need more wis levels to also do his blessings. and maybe some cold negative :).

Brigid:
No weapons is harmful. Give her another negative, but add that when your hit you still keep casting your spell :). much more effective and fair for people who wish to go pure magic :D.

Leuctious:
Make his avatar a little better , and and perhaps like ogma you can naturaly do lightning damage.

Bile:
he has good resistences. but - fire I believe is a fine price to pay. I think hes just fine :). Though I think his +100 deplition should be made like +80 deplete and hed be perfect.

Satrek2000 12-26-2003 07:10 PM

Re: To make gods more equal
 
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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Aengus:
First I think Aengus's GFX should be finished for her bow and some special stats added on :). give it something like WC +2 as well and something like slow effect or confusion without needing blessed to her.

I would expect these stats from the weapon, also as far as I know it has a gfx - or so I think did Ed say...

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Balor:
Obviously his spell is great, but no one worships him and say hes to powerful.. thats quiet a lie. Its just a matter of hitting someone using aura or stopping them before they use it. you pay the price with no relics, very few spells, and not great resistences. he should be added with another spell actualy thats nice and flamign auras time shortened just a bit.

Saying a god was too powerful is not a reason not to follow him, quite a few do to use the aura to pk or as an easy way to level wisdom.

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Ogma:
Ogma, make you need higher wis levels to get more of his +'s. And maybe give him another - in his resistence in something like fire. make him much more equal.

Magic is hard enough at higher levels, also I think every god's blessing requirements should be equaled - like every 5 as it is in CF. The different blessings aren't that different.

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Govannon:
well the -magic resist can be a tad hurtful, but fire resist is a wonderful make up and his great blessings. He should need more wis levels to also do his blessings. and maybe some cold negative :).

See above.

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Brigid:
No weapons is harmful. Give her another negative, but add that when your hit you still keep casting your spell :). much more effective and fair for people who wish to go pure magic :D.

I think the whole spellcasting-system should be altered to have different casting speeds. Also, no weapons for Brigid is fine the way I see it, fitting her character, but maybe she could have a single weapon as relic - a whip made of vines would do.

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Leuctious:
Make his avatar a little better , and and perhaps like ogma you can naturaly do lightning damage.

You have poison attacks while you're holy posessed, and I think this should go for every diety. I never followed Leuc so I can't tell whether he has. I do know his avatar though, and I think it's fine - after all, your level decides how strong he is.

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Originally posted by LordDrDw
Bile:
he has good resistences. but - fire I believe is a fine price to pay. I think hes just fine :). Though I think his +100 deplition should be made like +80 deplete and hed be perfect.

Who's depleting anyway? Overall, I think there should be more resistances given by any god, both + and -, just to have it a little more complicated or rather detailed - and to use some previously unused ones... in some way...

zell12 12-26-2003 07:16 PM

Gladiator, you need to realise what items and enchantments these gods give. Leuc gives out the most powerful armour in the game. Some gods are for newbies (Bile), others are for players that are experanced in the game (Leuc and Dian C-whateverhisnameis). They all give benefits, and have draw-backs.

You can get rings (Lring of Elrong/Adamant,Life etc...) that attuned different restances and elements, like fire, ice, lightning. Also healing, protection and such.

So in the end, they are basically equal.

Satrek2000 12-27-2003 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
So in the end, they are basically equal.
I would agree, if not for the blessing requirements. I don't see how they are equaled out by the blessings. I think making it 5 for every god would add to siversity, not make them more unbalanced.

LordDrDw 12-28-2003 07:31 PM

Blessing
 
I dont think each blessing should have a equal level. consider the more powerful gods such as dianchets blessing. blind is a powerful thing and if they were =, you could have like +5 diancheht and blind something everytime. I think they should be arranged better though such as ogma requires more levels.


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