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Nappa 09-25-2003 04:02 AM

Troubles...
 
As (most of) you may have seen, I have been causing serious troubles on 2k1 in the past few days, after being fired from police.

Yes, I have been causing problems. Yes I have scammed alot. Yes I did abuse a bug, to move the entire server into my villa.

I am sorry for these actions and I am currently banned from 2k1 (Not sure how long).

Will I continue to abuse bugs ? No.

Will I continue to scam you ? Yes.

I want to thank everyone who has put up with my through this change, It's just that I am very mad I was fired from police, Even though I was offered the position to be rehired but with a demotion, which I turned down, because I believe I shouldn't of been fired in the first place.

And again, thank you all.

I am also once again thinking of quitting 2k1 soon, for good this time, and If I do, I will see if I can give my items to specific people. Thank you all and goodnight.

-Nappa

DustyPorViva 09-25-2003 04:11 AM

I guess they used that special button in your sig?

I don't understand this post, you say you won't abuse bugs, yet you can't because you are banned.

Is this a formal apology?
Are you trying to get unbanned?

Zurkiba 09-25-2003 04:11 AM

Second time you've been banned. Personally, in my own opinion.... well you acted like a child about the subject in your post. I wasn't hired for Police... did I scam or abuse bugs or anything?

Nappa 09-25-2003 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DustyPorViva
Are you trying to get unbanned?
I could care less of how long I was banned. I am not apologizing to staff - I am apologizing to all the people who put up with me.

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
Second time you've been banned. Personally, in my own opinion.... well you acted like a child about the subject in your post. I wasn't hired for Police... did I scam or abuse bugs or anything?
Yes this is the second time I have been banned.

How does apologizing to the people of 2k1 make me seem childish ?

And because I was hired to police and I did bad things after I was fired doesnt mean anything. I think I did a hell of a good job as a police while I was one.

zell12 09-25-2003 04:19 AM

Your a dummy for acting this way because you were fired and Cheetos "suppositly" stole your money from your villa. You should of talked to him about these events instead of going on like a wild baboon. I don't hate you Nappa, but you know I had to do what I did.

Qwert616 09-25-2003 04:24 AM

You copied the entire server into your villa? o_o;;

Nappa 09-25-2003 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Qwert616
You copied the entire server into your villa? o_o;;
Warped every person on the server to my villa.*

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
Your a dummy for acting this way because you were fired and Cheetos "suppositly" stole your money from your villa. You should of talked to him about these events instead of going on like a wild baboon. I don't hate you Nappa, but you know I had to do what I did.
I wouldnt of gotten anything my way either way. And I still dont think a banning justifies the actions that I have taken. Just seems to harsh to me.

And I know you had to do what you had to do. But you did it too harsh.

Edit: Changed the answer to the first quote, since I had messed that up

Zethar 09-25-2003 04:58 AM

Why were you fired in the first place?

Qwert616 09-25-2003 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa


Warped every person online into the server.

Oh, I thought you meant something else.

Nappa 09-25-2003 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by Qwert616


Oh, I thought you meant something else.

Fixed that, That wasnt what I ment, my mind was thinking one thing but fingers typing another

Googi 09-25-2003 05:12 AM

Re: Troubles...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa
Will I continue to scam you ? Yes.
Try to quit soon, okay ^_^

Zethar 09-25-2003 05:15 AM

Re: Re: Troubles...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Googi


Try to quit soon, okay ^_^

:cool:

Err why were you fired.....again.
Why would you get that mad over being fired. I would never of thought you of all people would do this..

zs0 09-25-2003 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa


Warped every person on the server to my villa.*



I wouldnt of gotten anything my way either way. And I still dont think a banning justifies the actions that I have taken. Just seems to harsh to me.

And I know you had to do what you had to do. But you did it too harsh.

Edit: Changed the answer to the first quote, since I had messed that up

He was fired because once he jailed me for 500 rocks he had people come in and pk me and he paid them. And Nappa, you think thats too harsh? Shutup and take some of your own medicine. You are always enforcing the law a LITTLE too much, and you give us harsh punishments, just hush Nappa.. hush.

Zethar 09-25-2003 05:22 AM

ooook gotcha
Bad nappa. Nappa was a good police I think but he did go overboard. I don't agree to firing him for that but now he's done that geez. Deserves to be banned.

Nappa 09-25-2003 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zethar
ooook gotcha
Bad nappa. Nappa was a good police I think but he did go overboard. I don't agree to firing him for that but now he's done that geez. Deserves to be banned.

For warping 13 people into my villa, while half of them wanted to be there ? I dont think that deserved a ban.

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Originally posted by zs0
He was fired because once he jailed me for 500 rocks he had people come in and pk me and he paid them
Thats not even half the story, dont try to explain something you dont know anything about.

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You are always enforcing the law a LITTLE too much, and you give us harsh punishments, just hush Nappa.. hush.
Thats your oppinion. When I was a police, their was nothing happening like this.

zs0 09-25-2003 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zethar
ooook gotcha
Bad nappa. Nappa was a good police I think but he did go overboard. I don't agree to firing him for that but now he's done that geez. Deserves to be banned.



*ctrl+L emoticon on Graal o_O*

Zethar 09-25-2003 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa

For warping 13 people into my villa, while half of them wanted to be there ? I dont think that deserved a ban.

You said the whole server. It makes it sound like alot more...

GryffonDurime 09-25-2003 05:50 AM

I agree, this is soooo ironic.

Delicious irony.

The jailer jailed.

Classic.

Nappa 09-25-2003 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by GryffonDurime
I agree, this is soooo ironic.

Delicious irony.

The jailer jailed.

Classic.

I am not sure if you realize quite how annoying you are.

Amagius 09-25-2003 08:01 AM

Re: Troubles...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa
As (most of) you may have seen, I have been causing serious troubles on 2k1 in the past few days, after being fired from police.

Yes, I have been causing problems. Yes I have scammed alot. Yes I did abuse a bug, to move the entire server into my villa.

I am sorry for these actions and I am currently banned from 2k1 (Not sure how long).

Will I continue to abuse bugs ? No.

Will I continue to scam you ? Yes.

I want to thank everyone who has put up with my through this change, It's just that I am very mad I was fired from police, Even though I was offered the position to be rehired but with a demotion, which I turned down, because I believe I shouldn't of been fired in the first place.

And again, thank you all.

I am also once again thinking of quitting 2k1 soon, for good this time, and If I do, I will see if I can give my items to specific people. Thank you all and goodnight.

-Nappa

*shakes hand*

Welcome to the damn club.

zell12 09-25-2003 02:17 PM

Sorry Nappa, but abusing bugs for personnal gain or loss for others is banable. And even if it wasn't, Graal online can do whatever they want. :(

FreezeBurnX 09-25-2003 04:48 PM

Why don't you explain why you were fired...? I think you were very childish when you started abusing that bug.
Also, I was at Police Office and said "show rules".

3) No Jail PKing
6)Harmful bug abuse is not allowed

Ummm....

CheeToS2 09-25-2003 09:43 PM

I didn't "steal" money from his villa. I returned money and items to those he scammed, after checking logs to confirm what I could.

zell12 09-25-2003 10:07 PM

Well, I figured you were doing that anyhow. :)

Nappa 09-25-2003 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
Sorry Nappa, but abusing bugs for personnal gain or loss for others is banable. And even if it wasn't, Graal online can do whatever they want. :(
I didnt gain anything from the bug, except for a few laughs.

Quote:

Originally posted by FreezeBurnX
6)Harmful bug abuse is not allowed
I didnt harm anyone. Wow some guy lost 1 tree, and thats about it. I will give him 16 apples If he needs it that bad.

Quote:

Originally posted by FreezeBurnX
Why don't you explain why you were fired...?
Dont really feel like it.

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Originally posted by CheeToS2
I didn't "steal" money from his villa. I returned money and items to those he scammed, after checking logs to confirm what I could.
Thats total BS, because I didnt take that guys money.

zell12 09-25-2003 11:01 PM

You caused the problem, therefore the money comes from your pocket because you are the only one to blame.

Valder 09-25-2003 11:17 PM

I wasn't on when this happened but from what I can make from the posts, your ban was deserved. Don't take it the wrong way, but I would have done the same thing. You may have not harmed anyone, but you abused powers that were given to you with trust and abusing them would make me not trust you as much anymore. And seeing as I have never been jailed since the server reopened I have no real opinion about you as a Police member.

You should have Tseng check the logs again just to make sure it really was that guys money.

And why the hell do you scam. You know that it's stupid. You wouldn't like it if someone scammed you.

FreezeBurnX 09-25-2003 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder
You may have not harmed anyone, but you abused powers that were given to you with trust and abusing them would make me not trust you as much anymore.

Which powers? Have you read the thread/posts?
Quote:

Originally posted by Valder
And seeing as I have never been jailed since the server reopened I have no real opinion about you as a Police member.

Nappa was fired before that happened. :o
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Originally posted by Nappa
I didnt harm anyone. Wow some guy lost 1 tree, and thats about it. I will give him 16 apples If he needs it that bad.

The dude lost 3 trees and I know it's not that Harmfull, but it's kinda annoying. You didn't only made a dude loose 3 trees, people died without knowing and I saw a dude that lost 57 apples and 94g that I gave him back (the money, the apples you have em). Also, you started to scam people just because you got fired by something you don't even wanna talk about. I don't think you are a bad guy or something, I acctually think you are quita good guy, kind and generous, but the ban, is starting to sound fair. :(

Zurkiba 09-25-2003 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa
Yes this is the second time I have been banned.

How does apologizing to the people of 2k1 make me seem childish ?

And because I was hired to police and I did bad things after I was fired doesnt mean anything. I think I did a hell of a good job as a police while I was one.

The apology isn't the childish... it's the actions you did. Something went the way you didn't want it to so you pretty much had a trandrum like a three year old has... only you had more powers to do so.

Valder 09-25-2003 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreezeBurnX

Which powers? Have you read the thread/posts?

He has control powers or so I believe he does. He is staff on 2k1 but I'm not sure he is anymore.

Quote:

Originally posted by FreezeBurnX

Nappa was fired before that happened.

I was referring to the fact that he harshly jails people. I meant that I had no opinion about how he performed as a Police member at any time.

FreezeBurnX 09-26-2003 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder

He has control powers or so I believe he does. He is staff on 2k1 but I'm not sure he is anymore.

He is just an ET now. He don't have any control powers, he used villa powers,
remove <accountname>
It would warp you from any place to outside of his house.

Nappa 09-26-2003 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
You caused the problem, therefore the money comes from your pocket because you are the only one to blame.
I caused a problem ? I scammed a guys hat, his flute, and his shovel, and cheetos takes a hat a flute a shovel and 158g from me. Thats BS.

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder
but you abused powers that were given to you with trust and abusing them would make me not trust you as much anymore.
Please reread the thread.

I payed 700g for my Villa and 500g to renovate it. I was not "Given" these powers. The staff were just too idiotic to fix the bugs, even after I KNOW some of them new about it.



Quote:

Originally posted by FreezeBurnX
The dude lost 3 trees and I know it's not that Harmfull, but it's kinda annoying. You didn't only made a dude loose 3 trees, people died without knowing and I saw a dude that lost 57 apples and 94g that I gave him back (the money, the apples you have em). Also, you started to scam people just because you got fired by something you don't even wanna talk about. I don't think you are a bad guy or something, I acctually think you are quita good guy, kind and generous, but the ban, is starting to sound fair.
Three trees is nothing, even though it is annoying. That is not banworthy.

I scammed people because now I have no reason to do good or follow the rules as I once did, so why shouldn't I do the same thing as 99% of my friends do and scam people ? It is enjoyable and a faster way of making money.

I dont want to talk about the firing because people who think they know what happened that got me fired will argue with me about it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Zurkiba
The apology isn't the childish... it's the actions you did. Something went the way you didn't want it to so you pretty much had a trandrum like a three year old has... only you had more powers to do so.
So scamming people is childish. That means over half of the players who ever played 2k1 are/were childish. I had fun doing so, and I do not regret it.

And for the last sentence, again, I did not have any more powers to do so, other then the villa, in which I payed alot of money for, it was not handed to me.

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder
He has control powers or so I believe he does. He is staff on 2k1 but I'm not sure he is anymore.
I have staff powers on the dev server like every other staff, with no abilities on the real server. I haven't been fired, but I guess if I continue like this, that will be the next step. I talked to tseng after he personally banned me, and he was giving me something to script for 2k1, so obviously I haven't been fired yet.

FreezeBurnX 09-26-2003 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa

I scammed people because now I have no reason to do good or follow the rules as I once did, so why shouldn't I do the same thing as 99% of my friends do and scam people ? It is enjoyable and a faster way of making money.

You started good then went bad :( It sounds fair, except the part it is enjoyable and a faster way of making money.
Haven't you read the Police Office rules? :(

9)Stealing/scamming is not allowed. (...) If Proven guilty, stolen/scammed items will be returned to their rightful owner.

About, the stuff you done, I agree, It's not bannable, and if bannable, just for some time.

Zethar 09-26-2003 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zs0




*ctrl+L emoticon on Graal o_O*

What are you laughing about :\

zell12 09-26-2003 03:33 AM

Hey Nappa, you said you read the code of conduct, guess not. I'll highlight a few major points for you:

"...While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair to players abiding by normal game rules. Players must agree that the consequences of allowing bugs and loopholes to be exploited is so detrimental to the product, that GraalOnline will exercise no tolerance whatsoever for anyone participating in this type of activity.

Bugs should always be reported. If you observe someone else abusing a serious bug, or discussing a plan to abuse one, and fail to report it, you are subject to the same penalties as they are. Players should report bugs to the Graal forum, Support Center (GraalDesk) or email the problem to [email protected].

Rewards obtained from bug abuse may be confiscated, at GraalOnline' sole discretion. Failure to cooperate with GraalOnline as to the extent or nature of a bug, or failure to be honest about the rewards obtained from bug abuse, is grounds for immediate lock-out from GraalOnline."


There you have it, you should be banned on about three different accounts. Knowing about the bug and not telling a staff member; threating you will use another bug; and finally, abusing the bug itself.

Sorry Nappa, but you lose.

Lance 09-26-2003 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa


I payed 700g for my Villa and 500g to renovate it. I was not "Given" these powers. The staff were just too idiotic to fix the bugs, even after I KNOW some of them new about it.

Here's where I take offense...had you told me of this bug when someone else abused it, or even when you discovered it, I could have fixed it. Then, this whole problem would not have existed.

I don't like that you insult staff for not fixing it, when you wouldn't even give us the courtesy to inform us of it...

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I have staff powers on the dev server like every other staff, with no abilities on the real server. I haven't been fired, but I guess if I continue like this, that will be the next step. I talked to tseng after he personally banned me, and he was giving me something to script for 2k1, so obviously I haven't been fired yet.
Yeah, you've still got a job. That's just another wonderful facet of the dev server - staff do not get put above the law. :)

Nappa 09-26-2003 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
"...While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair to players abiding by normal game rules. Players must agree that the consequences of allowing bugs and loopholes to be exploited is so detrimental to the product, that GraalOnline will exercise no tolerance whatsoever for anyone participating in this type of activity.]
I did not gain anything from using this bug, thusfor any consequences for "Gaining something" are null.



Quote:

Bugs should always be reported. If you observe someone else abusing a serious bug, or discussing a plan to abuse one, and fail to report it, you are subject to the same penalties as they are. Players should report bugs to the Graal forum, Support Center (GraalDesk) or email the problem to [email protected].
I reported to Loriel, and later when CheeToS came to my villa, I showed him the bug.

Quote:

Rewards obtained from bug abuse may be confiscated, at GraalOnline' sole discretion. Failure to cooperate with GraalOnline as to the extent or nature of a bug, or failure to be honest about the rewards obtained from bug abuse, is grounds for immediate lock-out from GraalOnline."
Ok, please confiscate my big piece of nothing. I never was dishonest or did not tell staff about the bug, and I am honest about the rewards I have gained from the bug - Nothing.

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There you have it, you should be banned on about three different accounts. Knowing about the bug and not telling a staff member; threating you will use another bug; and finally, abusing the bug itself.
Told staff. Threatened over AIM, which is legal, as any threats over anything not owned or run by graal online can not affect the punishment or outcome of any decision by graalonline staff. I did abuse the bug, ok, Punish me for that.


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Sorry Nappa, but you lose.
*Shrugs* I already figured that one out.


Quote:

Originally posted by Lance
Here's where I take offense...had you told me of this bug when someone else abused it, or even when you discovered it, I could have fixed it. Then, this whole problem would not have existed.
I told Loriel and showed CheeToS, though after I already used it. By the time you would of got on to fix it in the first place, 4-5 hours would of passed and someone else could of fixed it by then anyway. Though you do have me there, I should of reported it to you, I already know I am at fault.

Quote:

Yeah, you've still got a job. That's just another wonderful facet of the dev server - staff do not get put above the law.
One of the reasons I like the dev server.



And I have found out about an estimate of how long I will be banned (roughly a week or so I believe it is).

CheeToS2 09-26-2003 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nappa
I did not gain anything from using this bug, thusfor any consequences for "Gaining something" are null.
You/others PKed each other & got items/money from it.


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I reported to Loriel, and later when CheeToS came to my villa, I showed him the bug.
You didn't show me it yourself, I got complaints over aim about you (again) about it being abused, and more complaints when I logged on, you PMed me about a bug, and while I was fixing the warping glitch, you told me that isn't what you wanted me to fix x.x

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Ok, please confiscate my big piece of nothing. I never was dishonest or did not tell staff about the bug, and I am honest about the rewards I have gained from the bug - Nothing.
see above points

Nappa 09-26-2003 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CheeToS2

You/others PKed each other & got items/money from it.

I did not pk 1 person, or make money or items from any person.

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You didn't show me it yourself, I got complaints over aim about you (again) about it being abused, and more complaints when I logged on, you PMed me about a bug, and while I was fixing the warping glitch, you told me that isn't what you wanted me to fix x.x
I don't know if you realized it or not, but I sat their and summoned someone while you were in the room, to show you it. But that isnt what I wanted you to fix - I wanted you to fix my furniture. I was merely reporting that that bug was also there.



I dont really want to wait a week to be unbanned, I am gonna freakin go insane. Today all I did was sit and scripted all day, which is nice, but not what I would prefer to do.

zell12 09-26-2003 06:24 AM

You should be perminently locked-out of graal. You have caused other people a loss of their work by summoning them. You ABUSED a bug to do that.


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