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zell12 08-28-2003 04:12 AM

Concerning the no-pk staff rule... :o
 
If staff aren't supposed to pked why not my them invincable to players on tag. =/

Dude6252000 08-28-2003 04:28 AM

my = make, right?

And I think we didn't because we need to test withs by hitting each other sometimes. ;o Otherwise, we should do that.

Zurkiba 08-28-2003 04:29 AM

Because staff abuse their tags enough as it is.

I've seen some get PKed and they pause and put on their tag, therefore making it illigal to PK them. But it's exploiting their tag.

Googi 08-28-2003 04:34 AM

Corruption issues.

Tseng 08-28-2003 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
Because staff abuse their tags enough as it is.

I've seen some get PKed and they pause and put on their tag, therefore making it illigal to PK them. But it's exploiting their tag.

Report it to the chief of said staff team - that is against the rules.

zell12 08-28-2003 06:07 AM

Tseng, where are these rules? I don't see them, not that I don't agree with the, but staff keep saying "thats illegal", or "oh thats not right". And I have no idea what they are talking about. >:[

Qwert616 08-28-2003 06:13 AM

What if staff went on tag to do quests or something? It would just create more problems.

Tseng 08-28-2003 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Tseng, where are these rules? I don't see them, not that I don't agree with the, but staff keep saying "thats illegal", or "oh thats not right". And I have no idea what they are talking about. >:[
Visit the police station + read CheeToS' rules thread lately?

Judge_S 08-28-2003 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
read CheeToS' rules thread lately?
Which thread is that?
The only thread on the first page made by him is about the Police hiring.
Wherever the thread is, if it is rules pertaining to Graal 2001, it should be stickied.
-Edit-
Found it.
It should be renamed "Rules" from "Probable Rules", and stickied.
Click here.

Tseng 08-28-2003 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

Which thread is that?
The only thread on the first page made by him is about the Police hiring.
Wherever the thread is, if it is rules pertaining to Graal 2001, it should be stickied.

It was a set of proposed rules. I believe that since then he has updated the Police Station to display said rules.

But, failing that, the link is: http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=46970

Judge_S 08-28-2003 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tseng


It was a set of proposed rules. I believe that since then he has updated the Police Station to display said rules.

But, failing that, the link is: http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=46970

Yes, I found it after some searching.
It should still be stickied though.

protagonist 08-28-2003 06:21 AM

Here's an interesting concept. Make the staff invincible AND make it so they have no weapon when their tag is on. Something maybe like this idea:

Give each staff their tag in clientr.jobtag, for example clientr.jobtag=FAQ.
Make it so they fire a weapon which puts on their tag, but disables their attack. It also makes them invulnerable.

Qwert616 08-28-2003 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
Here's an interesting concept. Make the staff invincible AND make it so they have no weapon when their tag is on. Something maybe like this idea:

Give each staff their tag in clientr.jobtag, for example clientr.jobtag=FAQ.
Make it so they fire a weapon which puts on their tag, but disables their attack. It also makes them invulnerable.

I'd, personally, would rather it just be left how it is. ;0

Judge_S 08-28-2003 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by protagonist
Here's an interesting concept. Make the staff invincible AND make it so they have no weapon when their tag is on. Something maybe like this idea:

Give each staff their tag in clientr.jobtag, for example clientr.jobtag=FAQ.
Make it so they fire a weapon which puts on their tag, but disables their attack. It also makes them invulnerable.

That could just as easily be abused.

zell12 08-28-2003 06:27 AM

I'm just rather angry, these classic players don't read the rules in a building unknow to them. They don't have access to the forums to read this stuff. So you need to find a better way of telling them the rules.

I am being attacked constantly, sworn at and harassed, and not even the admins are helping. (Geno is basically the only one that responds and he cant do anything about it =/)

Qwert616 08-28-2003 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
I'm just rather angry, these classic players don't read the rules in a building unknow to them. They don't have access to the forums to read this stuff. So you need to find a better way of telling them the rules.

I am being attacked constantly, sworn at and harassed, and not even the admins are helping. (Geno is basically the only one that responds and he cant do anything about it =/)

I haven't ran into too many problems so far. =X

I have been hit by what I think is a stray blade at the Admin house, but that is it. I guess you are running into meaner players though.

Also, even though they are from Classic, hasn't it always been a rule on all servers not to PK staff?

Judge_S 08-28-2003 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
I am being attacked constantly, sworn at and harassed, and not even the admins are helping. (Geno is basically the only one that responds and he cant do anything about it =/)
Would that have anything to do with your red name, I wonder?

zell12 08-28-2003 06:34 AM

I used to have a gold name then I got angry one day and pked some people to help alex.

protagonist 08-28-2003 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judge_S


That could just as easily be abused.



If staff so often abuse their rights, they shouldn't be staff.

zell12 08-28-2003 06:44 AM

How can it be abused if it protects you from player attacks only? o.O An dif you just put your tag on and idle you will be fired, if you do it to protect yourself during an attack while your off tag you will be fired. Simple.

Judge_S 08-28-2003 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
How can it be abused if it protects you from player attacks only? o.O An dif you just put your tag on and idle you will be fired, if you do it to protect yourself during an attack while your off tag you will be fired. Simple.
It's not that simple.
Who would be held credible in one of the proposed situations? The staff member could just say he or she used it because they came on tag, or whatever.
Basically, who's view would you stand by? The known staff member, or the unknown player?

zell12 08-28-2003 07:06 AM

Most times there are more than two people in the area. Besides, the staff member shouldn't be doing that, if you can't trust the current staff we have now why did the Cheifs make the staff?

Judge_S 08-28-2003 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Most times there are more than two people in the area. Besides, the staff member shouldn't be doing that, if you can't trust the current staff we have now why did the Cheifs make the staff?
But what I'm getting at is how do you determine if the staff member was acting inappropriately? There's no sure-fire way to do it, unless the item was logged, and even then there can be problems.

protagonist 08-28-2003 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by Judge_S


But what I'm getting at is how do you determine if the staff member was acting inappropriately? There's no sure-fire way to do it, unless the item was logged, and even then there can be problems.

Maybe they could script an npc so that a staff can't put their tag on for like, 15 seconds after the last damage was dealt to them or something.

CheeToS2 08-28-2003 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by protagonist


Maybe they could script an npc so that a staff can't put their tag on for like, 15 seconds after the last damage was dealt to them or something.

I like that idea

AlkarenHyralt 08-28-2003 02:56 PM

Inviciblity while on tag would be abused. Instantly.

And anyone caught putting on their tag so they can't be PKed (which I see done alot) should be fired.

My control npc back in the day had invicibily when I put on Godmode... I think I only used it once though, and that was when McDohl was trying to kill me when I was walking around on my (Police) tag.

I never PK/ed so Godmode was useful only in that one circumstance.

Androk 08-29-2003 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng


Report it to the chief of said staff team - that is against the rules.

Most of ETs do this.

I say that unless Staff is performing some testing action or something of sorts (Holding an Event, performing an arrest) it should be legal to kill them.

Tseng 08-29-2003 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by Androk
I say that unless Staff is performing some testing action or something of sorts (Holding an Event, performing an arrest) it should be legal to kill them.
Wrong.

MrCharles 08-29-2003 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist


Maybe they could script an npc so that a staff can't put their tag on for like, 15 seconds after the last damage was dealt to them or something.

pause


tag

protagonist 08-29-2003 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by MrCharles


pause


tag

It's one more thing that will make it more difficult to do that. And I think personally staff that abuse stuff like that should simply not have tags.


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