Fraggo will be going up around may1st Private
 

The Fraggo server based on a futuristic city full of players who use tiny shoulder robots to do battle will be going up around may1st. Although private for now if you wish to be staff please visit our forum @ Fraggo Forums also visit Shocker Toys for the storyline and the main layout of fraggo just click on FRAGGO in the right menu. Unimaxid is looking forward to seeing this server so we are looking for the best scripters lats gats nats and GP=or as we call them Enforcers. Keeping the look of the classic graal we added new twists and there will also be quests, rp , moving sidewalks , flying cars and other cool features.
Hope to see you on Fraggo!
Geoff Beckett aka ShockerToys

are you seriouse?
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this server is just 1 big advertising thing... i don't see how it would be allowed...

Shocker Toys? Thats a rela shop! Wth!?

Not only are you going online to advertise this 'shop' and toy range. Your going online with no staff? What exactly have you got, or done, and what can YOU do skills wise?

Why don't we grow up and see what this server will look like first, ok guys?

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Listen to this guy he actually has a clue. :) I mean really attacking something or some one you know little to nothing about is just petty.

they posted screenshots, and a discription of the server... and i didn't see any possitive comments
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and how is stating that they are just advertising their toy attacking him? I mean, that IS what the server is doing...

anyways, 2 more days till the first... wonder if he'll have good staff by then :rolleyes:

Lets not!
As far as I can see, which of course I could be 100% wrong. But all I see it as so far is:

A PW thats getting online for some reason, and has no staff.
The manager hasn't stated what he can do for the project.
And its advertising toys, which is against the rules of advertising?

Also:
You need to fix the tiltset, its pretty ugly (sorry to be harsh)

Yes you are 100% wrong.

A playerworld that is getting online.. Why if I'm not mistaken this is the whole point ofmaking a playerworld. No staff? That's an assumption he stated he needed staff meaning he didnt have enough. Not that he didnt have any. (Thinking really isnt your strong suit is it?) As for it being in relation to toys he's making who cares motives dont matter as long as the playerworld looks nice and has content. If he pays for the server to be up then who cares if it doesnt its his server to do with as he pleases.

As I previously stated in the other thread it is infact not against the rules. I took the advice you gave to him and read the rules and it made no mention of it.

I dont know that the tileset is bad so much as the levels are bad. Maybe a bit of both. I would definatly rethink those levels as with effort they could be of a much higher quality. Those levels are basic and I definatly recommend having some one with more experience go over and preview/edit them. Such as a bed outside? Thats just wierd

If you read the all of the fraggo threads and the hello thread you can see its just idiots flaming it.

I doubt they'll have a full staff to work on it by then but maybe one or two folks. If I wasnt so darn lazy I'd consider it but building a server from scratch is to much work and for me not worth it. :p

Which is why im wondering how it got online, but we will just have to wait and see

So i can advertise the company I work for? Either way its being sorted out in the correct place now.


''100% Wrong'' there are still rules for the server. He couldn't pay for it, host rip-ofs of every PW. Steal copyrighted images, or host illegal material. So he cant do what he wants.

I dont need to comment on this. You have already for me.

You really worry me with the lack of thought you put into your posts. First you say 100% wrong but then you even admit that there are only a few things he couldnt do which means its not 100% wrong. Common sense would tell you that you cant do that and if you used even half of your brain you would know that my reference to what ever he wants wasnt referring to breaking rules with illegal content and what not but was infact referring to the quality of the player world and wether or not there was much content.

Yes you could advertise the company that you work for, why? Because there is no rule against it so until a rule is added it is infact not against the rules.

Think sparky god gave you a brain please use it for what its intended for and not as a paperweight.

the paying for a player world option hasn't even been offered to the public yet... so he must have gotten up someway else...

the tileset MIGHT be ok... but i saw those same screenshots MONTHS ago... from what i can tell, they have like 40 something levels, and a few NPC's.... yes, it does sound like Era when it first started... exept this one is advertising a toy
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If he payed, then that's fine obviously.

But if he didn't, a PW that looks like this:
Screen Shot
Does not deserve to be up.

I agree, its not so much the tile set as it is the level. That level is just plain terrible it might have been good back in old classic era. But now days there is a much higher standard for level making. I've deleted better levels.

Not to be mean or anything at all, but for some reason I don't like this 'ShockerToyz' guy.. and I don't like the way this is going, advertising wise, based on a product.. and the product is strange. Hmm... still... strange.. The tiles are colorful etc. but the levels need a little work.. and some tiles don't join properly. I still dont like it though...

Chill, everyone. Fraggo isn't the end of the Graal world. Some of you get so uptight and concerned about the stupidest things on here. Yeah, some levels look pretty ugly; but hey, in the past there have been Playerworlds with high expectations, which have floundered in a big way.

Also, if in the scenario that he is compensating Stefan and Unixmad for Fraggo, than I don't see what all the hooplah is about.

All I have to say is what Stefan said about advertising. This is nothing more than a ploy to advertise his toy line. He has been run off Npulse and other servers for doing the same thing as he is doing here. He is only trying to get global exposure for his toys by infiltrating Graal whith his BS. :grrr:

pheer the shoulder action figures that will shoot you blind!

Exactly, I don't even see why Stefan would talk to this guy unless they cut some sort of deal or something. He's already linked his site in this post so you know it's going to be all over the PW.

.....I'm staying with the thought that the shockettoyz people must have paid alot of cash monies to Stefan and Unixmad.

I wasn't suggesting that IT was 100% wrong. I was suggesting that I could be 100% wrong. As you said, why don't you actually read the posts and put thought into them. As I do. Advertsiing products and games on the forums is illegal. So if you used common sence or even half of your brain you would know it would face oppoosition online in/as a PW.

Yes there is a rule against advertising on the forums. Super-mods can confirm it im sure. I cant plaster any advertsiments over here.

Well it would be impossible not to, I would not have typed anything if my brain was a paperweight. So I am actually using it. I do use it, you will see that its you that are the immature fool.

And if you have a problem with me, which it seems you do, come on AIM and sort it out, so we don't fill this place with this crap bickering that you are doing so.

I have no problems with you just the stupidity that you employ. There are no rules against advertising only against illegal stuff and MMORPG's etc.. A quote from stefan from a "Private Forum" In no way makes it a rule we have part of a thread which leaves it open to interpretation since we dont know all the details as to what reference that was made to. You call me immature but yet you flame this guy and threaten him with the ban hammer for advertising his site when he made no mention to his toys but his playerworld which is on the same site. So even then he's not advertising his site directly. That would be like banning some one for having pepsi logo's on graal sites they've made.

I'm sorry if you feel I'm targeting you but I assure you that I'm not. I only target posts that are ignorant, incorrect, etc... I would do the same to even Unixmad if he made a post like yours. Obviously if you look through the forums I'm not targeting you as I've only responded to a select few threads that where infact ignorant. If I was targeting you then I would also have to be targeting Mykel but I infact even supported him in this thread showing that I'm not targeting any one or holding previous arguments against them. The only reason I use the current thread in the goodbye section is it is current and on the same topic. So until you can come up with some valid proof that it is against the rules. Such as show me in the rules list where it says no advertising you will continue to be wrong and by constantly arguing that you're right with no proof and any proof you've offered shown also incorrect you're only making yourself look ignorant and foolish. (interesting you should call me the fool when I've been going with facts and you just assumptions and non existant rules) Now if you can come up with some valid evidence that it is against the rules I'll respond to you again.

Saying its against the rules no advertising or mmorpgs. Is not proof. The rule says no advertising mmorpgs. There is no and stop adding words.

The thread was about external links outside Graal and what is allowed and what is not allowed. The point of advertising was brought up and this is the reply we got on it. Since it is our job (the Mods) to regulate what is on the Forums we were told what to do; as for why it was not posted in the open Forum you will have to ask Stefan about that, we only do what we are told to do by the ones who have the authority in that area, namely Unixmad and Stefan. If you have a dispute with the Post of Stefans , then I suggest again take it up with them. All the Mods will do what we are told and in this case are just passing along what we were told and the SuperMods as well as the Admins I feel sure will do what Stefan has instructed us to do dispite your reluctance of its validity. This topic was started in the Sandbox over members posting links to sites that host web sites and so on. This does not make Graal any Money and what Shockertoyz is doing is no different from that. You want to use Graal to lanuch a toy line then do in in the proper channels and pay for the use of what your doing IF I mind you is approved by Unixmad and his investors of Graal. Nothing is free bub.

If this goes up, I'm going to stab sombody. It's a giant advertisement.

No, it's not the end of graal, but it is kind of stupid.

Opinions are free wether we want them or not. ;)
(I just had to say that :p)

Also he made the post advertising his playerworld not his toys. Although yes I agree its all just a ploy for advertisment for his toys and there are still no rules listed for it you cant ban some one if there was no rules ever made public which spark was threatening him with for it. That was my whole thing before it just ran on.
You cant exactly ban or get some one in trouble when there is no public notice of it. That would be like making walking on the left side of the street an offense punishable by death, not telling any one and then shooting every one on the left side of the street with a firing squad.
I don't care to take it up with stefan as I dont have anything that I would be advertising. But as a "Concerned Mod" I would think you would want to make him aware that this supposive rule has never been brought to the attention of the general public. Or at least get precise clarification on his statement to see if he ment websites that are competition with graal which is in the rules as somethign not allowed. As English is not his primary language he might have ment it one way but left out a word or two so it appeared as another. (He does have very good english in general though) Personally I interpret that post he made as him referring to the rule of no illegal content mmorpg etc.. You interpret it another way. Only way to be completely sure is to ask for clarification.

It was stern advice, for his own sake.
And I thought that it was a public rule. And anyway, I'd say it was common sence. As why would they want advertisments all over the place? Considering people pay INCREDIBLE sums of money on marketing and advertising, so you'd think people would use common sence and not avdertise here.

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Nice post. :)

Advertising is boarderline on common sense. I would say yes illegal material, competitive websites, etc.. would fall under captain obvious and just using common sense. But unrelated material maybe not. What about people who post the websites with t-shirts with funny sayings and what not. (I've seen that before) If you see something funny that is no competition to graal and you want to show others. His toys at least are related to graal. Even if it is an advertisment ploy, it is still benefiting graal by possibly drawing in customers to play. At least this has potential of benefitting graal and not just himself.

Fact: He gave a link, and said go and check out information on my server. Said nothing about toys. Completely legal, and completely legit. Until he does otherwise, just leave it be.

If you look at my post on this I made no threats of banning or any action at all, I cannot ban nor do I profess to have that ability, I merely state a rule that applies to a certain situation and if I have an opinion on it I may also post that. I also because what Shockertoyz has done here will bring up the point that I believe than ANY PW site must NOT be weaved into a commercial site as he has done here. I will personally push for any PW to have their Graal PW site free from commercial ventures. It is one thing to have to have advertisements on a PW site as a condition of free hosting as many sites do but this is clearly not the case here and nothing but masking the fact that he is pushing toys not Graal, not his PW, all he is pushing is his bank account. You can barely find the reference to his PW on that site with all the ads for his toys so how can you say it is his PW site??


If you read the criteria for a PW site his does not even come close. If you think I am against this kind of thing, your right I am. Graal has nothing to gain by this, I also believe his PW IF it goes up will be nothing but trouble by ads sneaking on the PW and would be a daily thing to keep them off. He has blown a lot of hot air here about his PW and yet shows almost next to nothing of his PW, 4 levels won't get it and that is all we have seen. He speaks of advanced scripting (moving sidewalks and such) and yet he needs scripters, he promises much and yet shows very little. His rhetoric is true traits of a con artist and a salesman. He has alot more selling to do to me to convince me his intentions are for Graal and not his own pocket.

Fraggo still looking for staff and here to stay!!!
 

Sorry Bub,
Hate to inform you but I was playing Graal in ver 1.24. Ive been around long before I had my toy company. I used to be known as TheDevil and I even had another server along time ago called Egypt Quest. That server was better then any server now. But it was lost in a shuffle Too Bad. So since i couldnt find the Egypt Quest files I decided to make a server based on a cool city in the future that uses robots that battle each other. And it is based upon other works ive done but it has a cool theme. So please cease and disist with your slander and ediotic comments untill you know what you are talking about. Fraggo is going up I just spoke to Stefan Unimaxid had some company problems which caused a setback in the playerworlds going up. And As far as all else Fraggo has a loyal staff of about 45 people and its growing. SO see you soon on my server and dont forget to bring sunblock because its gonna be HOT HOT HOT!
P.S. if you want to be part of this great and growing server please visit the site and the forums.Fraggo

Re: Fraggo still looking for staff and here to stay!!!
 

Well Wolvie, I guess I'm a ediot too then. Also, it wouldn't be slander, it would be libel, since it's written. And I'm sure it will great with 45 staff working on it being led by a Manager who can't spell:o. As for sunscreen, I don't depend on using any, since I won't be touching this PW with a ten foot pole.

1.24? Was there ever such a version? Hmm...maybe there was...I forget...
Anyway, Egypt Quest sucked balls.

meh all i can judge on is the way th elevels look, and i don't like them :X

Nobody would make a stink about the server if "shocker toys" was never mentioned anywhere except the owner's username...

Get ready all. I'm gonna shock you all with my 1337 shoulder action figure.

45 staff and you need more? Thats double most servers including GK. I recommend firing the LAT's who made the levels you have screenshots of. They really look unproffessional and of low quality.

Personally I think he's full of **** about having that many staff. :)

I don't think the graphics look that bad, but the levels need a lot of work.

All the dealings I ever had with him , he was full of crap.:megaeek:

if he seems to be causing so many problems why doesn't anyone just ban him ._.

Because he's obviously paying stefan/unix...