Do you think UN should stay up?
 

Im just wondering who actualy wants it to stay up.

It symbolizes everything wrong with graal.
Pornography, inapropriate language, sexual content, inapropriate behavior. Why keep it when its not fair for worlds who work hard and keep it legal and UN gets players for being corrupt. Whats that tell us as managers? N-Pulse and I dont get players but of all the pws out there I feel we follow rulse more than any others.
And is that fair that worlds who do illigal things should get more than those that dont?

This comes from VT, the Asst. Developer of UN:

Hmm...should UN be taken down?
I've discovered that alot of the people to post on
these forums are really not that
unreasonable, once I explained the situation. Yet
War Captain continues to act like
a complete nutcase. So now, the gloves come
off.
Listen you pathetic little man, if you spent even a
small portion of the time that
you complain about UN on your own game you
probably would have had your
game, released it, and had a player base. But
then, you like wasting everyone's
reading time and forum bandwidth, don't you?
UN has problems in the past, but guess what?
The total of all of these problems
do not even come close to your problems.
You're obsessive and malicious, trying
to take down a server where ALL of the staff
work hard, though we all have
our moments once in awhile.
This game is run by children, so there's going to
be some error. But at least some of
it is no longer run by you, because that would be
worse than the cumulative
issues that UN has had.
So bottom line, get a real job. Stop bugging us
about ours. I've given you a clear
way out in the other thread, you're just
spamming. Also, the people who use
the forums represent a small number of
Graalians. So your poll is moot. All you
are going to get are the people who are hardline
anti-UN voting in it and a few
people who have actually considered what I
wrote.
In any case, I think you should in fact be taken
down. As in, banned. I was
banned for a lot less than you are getting away
with.

unreasonable or not, we are the reason graal is up

we pay for our accounts, we keep graal up

you owe US for being able to have your pw, so I feel we should be able to state our opinions on a playerworld thats purely corrupt

ok, that's 2 people who have posted for someone else for UN...you are going to get in trouble, it is against the rules as stated in the other UN thread...To the UN Manager, or whoever this person is posting for...bye an upgraded account if you want to post on the forums.

This from VT:

No, you are not the reason we are up. What ever
gave you that idea?
The reason that we are here is because first of all,
our overall playercount is large.
Era has a large count too, sometimes equalling or
becoming greater than UN's.
Second, because we work. Sometimes this leads
to people who abuse those rights,
but those people are dealt with accordingly.
Most of the people who play UN payed for their
account at LEAST once, the
cheapest account being 19.99. About 325 people
play UN in total. Take off 25
for trial accounts. Do the math.
Another thing is because when there is a
problem, we fix it. You can't expect us to
do more than that. Half the time we are busy
fixing a previous problem and have to
delay, but as soon as I heard about the save point
thing I deleted it immediatly.
After all, since complaints are abundant on these
forums I like to read them
occasionally to see if there is something we
missed.
So stop whining. UN staff do read the forums.
And by the way, do you know what is probably
making fewer UN people
upgrade? Coming on here to check out the
forums and seeing all the negativity
directed at their favorite server.

And to Darlene:
I have an account that is upgraded. I was banned for saying
something, and I didn't have any warning. I tried to apoligize for
what I did but I can't get ahold of the right person. And believe
me,
the last thing I want to do is have anything to do with these
forums.
But unfortunately these people persist in raising hell, and I think
that at least someone should be able to speak for UN. I
wouldn't
even have a reason if these ridiculous and mean spirited
posts
would stop, which are also against the rules.

I am just warning the person doing it, he runs the risk of getting banned from the forums...dont make him reply back to me
:(

Well whatever, UN has violated and violated, I think it should come down.

I second that..

We do have to look at the facts here people (Also are we aloud to flame PWs, im sure if other people flamed other PWs it wouldnt be aloud, and its just as bad as flamming someone)

*Just because they had a save thing, it doesnt mean they dont get a good paying player base, I bet atleast 200 players always play UN and have paid atleast once, if not on goingly. So (cant remeber prices) but isnt that something like:

$19 (Classic)

$1900
$1900 +
-----------
$3800


So thats $3800 minimum made of UN if people only upgrade to classic, and im sure many people have VIP or Gold which means we are getting into the high $4000's! Just becuase of UN.

While I agree it would be nice to see some of the Bigger PWs gone to evenly populate the PWs that are not too populated. But I think we should remove the things on there, and when Unixmad decides for final the PWs situations then Nemesis could hire some sort of team/helpers to inspect the PWs to make sure nothing like this happenes. But I dont think flamming and shutting down UN is the logical approach no matter what everyone on the FORUMS think about it.

Just to let you know, I dont play UN, never have, never will, nor am I against nor supporting it.

UN does have it's problems but I think warcaptain is complaining only because people were complaining about enigma and he is trying to get the focus off of it

i dont think there are any VIP on UN
most of them if at all, only upgrade once because they dont have a reason to go on gold worlds since they only play UN

so maybe they made at least 1900, saying that at least half are trials, which they probably are


and jagen
no one has been complaining at all about enigma, but I have recently noticed so many illigal things on it, on top of everything else Illigal ive seen

its just not fair

yea I know it isn't fair that UN gets away with all this but you never complained until enigma got shutdown temporelly(sp?) for something 'illegal' x.x

in defence of Spark... i am sure UN has a player base of well over 200 people...

meaning $3,800... and since they 'can' get close to 200 online at one time, i would guess they have a playerbase of about 300, but that's just my guess..


anyways, about UN... any server where i log on, and there is open cussing in masses, people hacking openly, and fighting going on every time i visit, should be looked at, and looked at closely.

I would suggest that the new PWA assign 1 person to UN, and have them watch RC, and masses, and everything that goes on, to make sure UN is doing it's job...

i do not think this should be limited to UN either, i think after a week on UN, they should move to Era, and the other playerworlds... spend a week on each... then write a report... then give them like a month to shape up, and then another review... if all the things are not fixed, then the server would go down

but this is just my opinion... i told Nem, and i think he liked it... but i dunno if it will happen

yo wtf someone needs to tell these people to stop posting for other ppl =\

Re: Do you think UN should stay up?
 

N-Pulse gets way more players than EnigmaGraal at peak times, and has a lot more content.

Should UN be shut down? Maybe, if people provided real good evidence, but basically it's all been he say/she say stuff with very little evidence.
One NPC causes a huge uproar and people scream "shut it down", sort of like what was going on with N-Pulse and the draisine npc.

Also by posting here you're not doing much to get it shut down. You post here and the stuff is taken down minutes after you post it, because the staff of UN are reading these Forums. Yesterday most of their staff was on searching the playerworld for possible illegal stuff.
If you find stuff then send the complaint directly to Nemesis that way they have no way of knowing.

Well nothing can be said at all:

1.) We have no say over PWs
2.) We dont have facts, just because there are trials on when your on doesnt mean everyone is and doesnt mean that loads of paying people play when your asleep.

Also, do you know how boring trial is? People woudlnt play play play with a trail account, i'd say most are payed for and onyl 25-30/200 are trial.

Honestly WarCaptain, what’s your problem? Do i sense some jealousy? Liquid built a great pw, and it is still a great pw. Even though me and manta don’t like each other, I think he does a great job at maintaining UN. I heard cause of you and your stupid posts about UN, he stepped down as owner. Stop talking about how bad UN is and continue to work on your great playerworld. If it was so bad, why would it be consistently in 1st or 2nd on the player list? Leave UN alone, people like it, staff do a great job and it owns :).

um no?
UN isnt a great pw, its just players can do whatever they want there. and they like that

manta was FIRED he didnt step down.
if you dont beleive me i have logs of stefan

manta and liquidice were both fired

you **** liquidice was NEVER fired. Liquidice is the only reason un is up. lqdice can ezily take it down and graal would be a lonley place with players not knowning what to do, **** k?

*Stefan (RC) (3/30/03 8:17:02 PM):

fired Manta and Liquidice

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edit: yes he was fired but he could ezily get his rc back in 5 mins. he got fired because of ur *** ass naggy to stefan. stupid ***** go find something better to do than go bait on people

1-i had nothing to do with it, i got on UN and saw stefan there and asked him what he was doing and he told me firing staff

2-he cant get rc back, when you are fired for doing illigal thigns you cant get rc back, and if he does thats when id go be "naggy" to stefan

no, go look at all the posts on the forums about UN bad stuff

and then the incident with the saves kidna made it obvious

Who cares if he ratted on UN, the server got enough chances as it is.

im not going to argue with you, ur not a *** like wc

RTelvecho...I, for one, am getting a little tired of seeing you call people Queers, and homosexuals in your posts...this is the second one, not to mention all the swear words that are bleeped out...I suggest you knock it off before you get in trouble

and as an added note....alot of people have been complaining about UN for a long time, it just isnt allowed on the forums, and that is why most of us dont bring it here

bah, shut them all down. and do a game restart.

Yes, he ph33rs the staff abusing powers and such.. he could never amoutn to that level of 1337.

In the eyes of a loser :p.

Correction: Even though manta doesnt like me

He stepped down because he knows whoevers in charge of UN is gonna get in deep ****, so he's using this new guy as a puppet untill the heat dies down.

Because non p2pers can save their stuff, So they all play UN.. are you THAT stupid?

People like it because of the non p2p fiasco.. and the staff do nothing but abuse.. it owns.. nothing.

I agree.. O_O!
*Has never agreed with Kinatt before*

lol, yea lets just do a huge swipe of all the servers most of em are crap anyway doesn't make much diff right now and let the new wave of servers come in.

Actually.. a server wipe is a REALLY good idea.. just like leave classic... o_o;;

actually, i think that all servers should have to go under a new review...

as if they were re-applying... and if the server doesn't even pass the current standards for new PW's that apply, then i think it should be taken down...

i don't think it's fair that new PW's are held to a much higher standard than the ones which are already up...

Moon God and Moon Goddess should threaten to take down the UN forums that they host if UN doesn't install a profanity filter and start enforcing the ToS.

you last point ****ing swollowed ur reply. smart *** arnt u. if u dont give a rats ass he can outskill you SHUT THE **** UP. talk about ego, u bring ur ass out of no where and start talking **** to everyone who the f**** u think u are?

Happy * day to you too:rolleyes:

I think im arcadius canavi.. I have no ego, and I post here so I can make people like you feel stupid.

Welcome to the Graal Communication Center...The friendliest forums around. :rolleyes:

Here is the real deal i heard from a reliable source. Most of the stuff you talk about WC is from the past...long ago. The condom machine for instance got taken down months ago, and it was even on other servers. Now, "The G Spot". If you knew who liquid ice is, he's Giuliano. His name starts with a G. The G Spot...see....a relevance. There was in no way anything of similarity for being something perverted. If you took it that way, it's your fault and yours alone. As for the next deal, u do not get away with everything. We have GP's that are constantly firing, so i guess we can't get away with it all. If you have a problem, contact Okilian or Killjoy, and then they will talk to you.

s t f u u stupid newbie

You should come to 2K1 sometime, we didn't forgive Kamuii over the whole 59K thing until Stefan sent him out first-class.