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zell12 01-22-2003 10:20 PM

Graal2002 is lacking content in different areas, so...
 
Well, Graal Kingdoms is lacking content, and since the only people that really script for the server is Stefan, Loriel, and Jagen (ProjectShifter was removed for innactivity, yet was on the day before...). Possably hiring one or two professional scripters, and pay them. -_- Can't expect the players to make graal for nothing, can you? Although I don't mind it, but it takes too long. -_-

Also, about the Kingdoms reciving weapons because the King makes the graphics or suggests iteas, that should be haulted and each Kingdom should have the debug staff make each kingdom a weapon or item of their own to craft, so for Example, Zormite. Zen makes the graphics for everything, yet he works on debug to make graphics and create levels for Zormite. So Zen should be making weapos for other kingdoms.

konidias 01-22-2003 10:52 PM

Why did you put Graal2001 in the topic.

By the way... terrible ideas. Simply terrible.

zell12 01-23-2003 04:45 AM

I dunno why, I am slow. And they are fine I think. o.O Game isn't spread out enough. Koni you should of been fixing the game up while you were GM, and stuff, now you come and start suggesting things and all this crap. No wonder you were banned from what Stefan told me what you did.

Kaimetsu 01-23-2003 04:58 AM

Fixed the thread title.

zell12 01-23-2003 05:03 AM

And how is it a terrible idea to get Zen to make weapons for all the kingdoms, instead of his own? Hmm Koni? God, you must find something to argue about with everyone.

LordZen 01-23-2003 06:43 AM

ugh Im already so busy you dont understand, and I have a special responsibility with Zormite, so I spend hours and hours for things which help my own kingdom. I mean i understand your reasoning, but from my position it would be counter-productive.

Anyways, I half-considered the idea of helping with making a pistol for Pirates but there has been unessisary friction between us lately. (both a)the leaders & b) the kingdoms themselves)

Kaimetsu 01-23-2003 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by LordZen
I have a special responsibility with Zormite
It's reasonable to spend your free time working on Zormite stuff, but the general consensus seems to be that this is all you ever do. You may have a responsibility to Zormite, but your job gives you a greater responsibility to the rest of the server.

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Anyways, I half-considered the idea of helping with making a pistol for Pirates but there has been unessisary friction between us lately. (both a)the leaders & b) the kingdoms themselves)
What? You don't seem to understand your role. You're not Zormite Graphics Admin, you don't choose what to make dependent on Zormite's political standpoint. Your duty is to make graphics for the whole server, and that includes the Pirates.

Admins 01-23-2003 07:33 AM

It is normal that the kingdom leaders try to make their own kingdom more interesting, the items we add are more for role-playing instead of stuff that is unbalancing things. Also they are available for everyone (Samurai have naginata, bamboo rod, pirates the hook, dustari will get new swords soon).
I guess Zen also helped for things like the spell icons :-)

zell12 01-23-2003 10:17 PM

Stefan, you don't get it I guess, your too nice I think. :p

Zen, Kai is right, your job is well explained your title. Global Graphics Administrator. Meaning you spend your time working on the kingdoms graphics, rather then what you should be doing on your spare time. I understand you want to develop for just that kingdom, but all the kingdoms needs something. Not just something a kingdom member submits.
And don't tell me your job is mainly looking for stolen or copyrighted graphics on servers. It shouldn't be your job at all for its the Playerworld Administrations job. -_-

Anyway, I just wanted to express my concerns.

MKSLAYER 01-24-2003 01:35 AM

also not to be mean to stefan but all the weapons that we have arent really special..... i mean u can make a katana bamboo staff and a naginta at harmonia. the pirate hook and the zormite wand/blade u can only make at their kingdom isle see what i mean we dont really have a "Special" weapon. i have recently bought an oriental weapon book and it has some pretty cool things. Maybe introduce double weapons into the game? Samurai could have a special oriental broad blade, sai's or tonfa'z, making a person with 2 of them would be sort of like a double weapon so u could asign the key S=down be a straight attack with both weapons (if their tonfa's or sai's) Im not saying u should do this because scripting would be from hell. but these are just some idea's. I would make the images but my image making program has a bug in it so the task bar or the canvas doesnt show up so that cancels me out but please consider the thought carefully. Also PLEASE get forest some weapons i mean they have the least ammount of things wow a crappy(in my opinion) looking table oooo ahhhhhh get some decent stuff in forest. thanks for ur time:D :D

ZORG1986 01-24-2003 01:51 AM

I think 2002 staff need to concentrate on getting the stuff thats up working before putting anything else up. Like the items that cant be equiped such as...Bow of Thunder :o

zell12 01-24-2003 04:49 AM

Yes, Stefan needs to contentrate on things he planned, like them ebil spell/skill icons. The Graphics for new weapons. The spells to be fixed and have the light shows from them removed.

Locke_boy 01-24-2003 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Yes, Stefan needs to contentrate on things he planned, like them ebil spell/skill icons. The Graphics for new weapons. The spells to be fixed and have the light shows from them removed.
Write me out a brief list of some weapons that you'd like to have graphics for (rare ones, but still slightly common). I'll do it. I'll do it for armour and such as well. I'm probably going to make one for the mithril chainmail, seeing as I bought one of those from Logan not too long ago. :)

TeRRi2k 01-24-2003 07:13 PM

i would help out more than i did before ;_; but my acct ran out and just got it back today

and cali, theres other debug staff that makes gfx, like soul blade i think. so we dont have to depend on zen all the time, its a lot of pressure.

MilkyWay0016 01-24-2003 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
And how is it a terrible idea to get Zen to make weapons for all the kingdoms, instead of his own? Hmm Koni? God, you must find something to argue about with everyone.
And why, exactly, is he making special SSJ Zormite weapons when there are still spell icons that haven't been made yet?

TeRRi2k 01-24-2003 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by MilkyWay0016


And why, exactly, is he making special SSJ Zormite weapons when there are still spell icons that haven't been made yet?

Arwen we're working on it ;x Zen made a lot of the icons already

zell12 01-25-2003 12:02 AM

Zen is and even told us he is spending more time on just zormite. And Huru, I also work on Graal Kingodms, I know Soul makes Graphics, and very good ones too. :)

LordZen 01-25-2003 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by MilkyWay0016


And why, exactly, is he making special SSJ Zormite weapons when there are still spell icons that haven't been made yet?

I am the KING of Zormite. I am not actually staff on G2k2, I was never hired there for anything like some people, I only have debug access because I'm the KING of Zormite.

I will and have helped on spell icons, because I was asked to. Its not my responsibility to make G2k2 gfx besides for Zormite unless Stefan requests it. Its not my responsibility to develop any part of G2k2 except for Zormite, unless Stefan requests it.

There are people who are actual G2k2 Staff, I am not one of them.

Ghost Pirate 01-25-2003 05:13 AM

*Global Graphics Administrator
Doesn't that mean all of Graal?

zell12 01-25-2003 07:31 AM

You would seem to think so, but Zen is being difficult becuase he knows he is wrong. :)

Loriel 01-25-2003 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate
*Global Graphics Administrator
Doesn't that mean all of Graal?

As far as I understand it, "Global" mostly means "all of Classic" :)

TeRRi2k 01-25-2003 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate
*Global Graphics Administrator
Doesn't that mean all of Graal?

I sorta thought GGT(global gfx team) people just go around and try to "help" out with stuff they can, look for stolen graphics..etc. coz most don't do nothing unless Zen assigned something..

zell12 01-25-2003 08:57 PM

Looking for stolen graphics is still the PWA's job.
Which means if thats all you do, your job is pointless. :)

Kinatt 01-25-2003 10:04 PM

gawd you people don't listen. Get someone from YOUR kingdom to make a graphic thats good and submit it. Zen is just in charge of zormite and global gfx admin so it's just a convenience of sort. Anyone can submit a weapon or armor peice!

Kaimetsu 01-25-2003 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kinatt
gawd you people don't listen.
Neither do you, I think. Their basic point is that a global graphics admin should make graphics globally. If this is not the job description then they are wrong, but you have not shown this to be the case. If it is the correct job description then Zen is neglecting his duties by focusing on one area of G2K2 for personal reasons.

Kinatt 01-25-2003 10:26 PM

He could be submitting gfx as a player like any other player part of a kingdom can. It doesn't have to be in the job description to submit weapons.

Kaimetsu 01-25-2003 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kinatt
He could be submitting gfx as a player like any other player part of a kingdom can. It doesn't have to be in the job description to submit weapons.
Yes, but from what I've heard it seems as though 90% of his graphics are for Zormite. This is not a desirable balance.

TeRRi2k 01-26-2003 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Looking for stolen graphics is still the PWA's job.
Which means if thats all you do, your job is pointless. :)

well I never really see PWAs going around servers a lot to check..so since this is sorta graphics related...wouldn't hurt for us in the team to look out as well ;x you can never have too many eyes out
and we fix graphics *blinks*

LordZen 01-26-2003 10:28 AM

*Personal reasons? I'm developing a community because I'm in charge of it. lol.

*GA had the responsibility of watching PW's for copyrighted images before PWA did. We used to have a special sub-team just for this. I understand that PWA does this now but its GFX related so I still would have my team look check every now and then. Also, there are images that some PWs use that was made for other PWs which isnt allowed either unless they have proper permission. I have straighted out a few major instances of this happening in the past. This is only a small small part of the team anyways, so I hardly think you could classify GA as pointless if thats one of our responsibilites.

*I'm not actual staff on G2k2, the position of GA is to help administration servers (g2k1, g2k2, classic) with GFX when REQUESTED. We dont actually run the servers, you cant expect me to be running around on all 3 making up assignments for my team to do. Its required that staff of those servers request assistance if needed, then I make sure they are assisted. You can see how horribly busy this small & "slow-to-relay-information" team can become if we were expected to make all the gfx for 3 servers.

I am not neglecting any part of my job, when I have been requested to do things for g2k2, I have done it. :\

As Global GFX Admin, its my personal responsibility to review&upload heads/shields/swords globaly. I do admit that I havent been able to do that part of my job for some time. That is because the admincp based gfx reviewer has not been working for a long time. Nothing would get cleared from the queue and nobody recieved automated emails, and images wouldnt start working.. The guy they have creating the new website is going to fix that sometime though, I talked to him on debug once about it..

zell12 01-26-2003 10:39 AM

I think your job is kinda pointless still. PWA should be if not already is doing all the things you do besides make GFX when requested.

TeRRi2k 01-26-2003 07:30 PM

I thought PWAs write up reports or something :o and inspect levels and such, but when it comes to graphics, the gfx team might be better for this job. If its really just part of a PWA's job, then they're not doing enough as we still find stolen images et ecetera. o_O


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