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Rax 01-19-2003 09:00 AM

Paying for PW
 
when is stefan/unixmad going to start charging money for playerworlds?I cant wait to see all these 1-20 player pws disappear from the list muaha

JrTerrorist 01-19-2003 09:25 AM

o.o... you are one evil man..

Ningnong 01-19-2003 01:13 PM

From what I heard, public pws dont have to pay, since there are players on the server it would be making money. But for private servers, they are running (with the exeption to staff) with no players on therefore its costing money. (So the manager(s) are made to pay)

Im not quite sure but thats what I thought...

konidias 01-19-2003 01:24 PM

I'm guessing they still really haven't decided how it will be set up. Hopefully they aren't going to charge for non-public playerworlds. That's pretty ridiculous since who would go out of their way to pay money to work.

I mean it's a struggle making a playerworld as it is, I don't want to have to pay monthly just for me and one other person to have access to an npcserver. :(

I agree with charging for public pw's though. I feel they should charge the public pw's monthly and allow the pw's to also turn a profit of some kind. You can't turn profit with a private pw. There needs to be some reason for people to invest not only time, but money as well, into a project that is making someone else money.

Spark910 01-19-2003 01:39 PM

It will be a shame to get rid of the PWs with low player counts!

Zurkiba 01-19-2003 03:34 PM

And if you put a price on it... then everyone wouldn't be going around saying "WNT 2 MAK A SRVER?"

And then the good servers would be on the top. Like what's the point in making a server that's exactly like the others?

Spark910 01-19-2003 03:53 PM

Although it would be a shame to put people off from making them, if they are good. But it will be good to stop people who start these PWs but dont get anywhere with them.

Menace_P2P 01-19-2003 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
And if you put a price on it... then everyone wouldn't be going around saying "WNT 2 MAK A SRVER?"

And then the good servers would be on the top. Like what's the point in making a server that's exactly like the others?

I agree with you.. for once :O

Waltz5 01-19-2003 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
I'm guessing they still really haven't decided how it will be set up. Hopefully they aren't going to charge for non-public playerworlds. That's pretty ridiculous since who would go out of their way to pay money to work.

Exactly, they haven't. So there is no use speculating.
They might work it though were you pay for a private server, and then have to pass the PW team, and stop paying. Atleast I hope that's how they would work it.

Spark910 01-19-2003 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Waltz5


Exactly, they haven't. So there is no use speculating.
They might work it though were you pay for a private server, and then have to pass the PW team, and stop paying. Atleast I hope that's how they would work it.

That would be an idea, all online PWs have 3 chances, so liek 1 review, then fix up, another review, final fix up, last review. And they have to pass within the 3 tests, but there is like only 21days between each test so that they dont have about 4months in between.

Googi 01-19-2003 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
allow the pw's to also turn a profit of some kind.
How would they do that? Sell N-Pulse T-Shirts or something.

Rax 01-19-2003 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Googi


How would they do that? Sell N-Pulse T-Shirts or something.

the players that upgrade account for npulse will type npulse somehwere and they get like a %age of the subscribtion

JrTerrorist 01-19-2003 10:12 PM

Or, on the site, make a donations page. And you can choose which PW to donate too?

konidias 01-20-2003 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Googi


How would they do that? Sell N-Pulse T-Shirts or something.

Read the above posts. Don't make smarta** comments on topics you aren't familiar with. You're only making yourself look stupid.

I still think charging people to build their pw's is a silly concept. I know Oasis will be doomed to fail if I have to pay just to use the npc server. :( I just think it would be pretty crummy to take even more from the players then they already are. They are already taking all the content the people make, taking the money the pw makes from subscriptions, etc. Now they want to take money directly from the playerworld staff? If the pw's can't turn a profit, there will be no playerworlds. I doubt anyone wants to pay to work. Not to mention 90% of all pw managers aren't even 16+ years old, and don't even have actual jobs to make money to pay the costs anyway.

I still think they should base profit earnings on playercount. I mean the pw's that have the most players are obviously the pw's that bring in customers. Basing it off people selecting that pw as their reason to upgrade wouldn't really be as accurate, seeing as how pw's will put on big "lightshows" in order to attract people to upgrade, when in reality, it was all just smoke and mirrors and the pw really stinks, so those people just made that pw money and the pw ripped them off, lol.

Milkdude99 01-20-2003 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910


That would be an idea, all online PWs have 3 chances, so liek 1 review, then fix up, another review, final fix up, last review. And they have to pass within the 3 tests, but there is like only 21days between each test so that they dont have about 4months in between.

First thing I think needs done is make ALL Classic servers follow Graal rules, this would include all illegal GFX and stolen levels removed from offending PWs. Then all PWs need to be made to follow the rules on (1.) Profanity (2.) Sexual content, for the two most prominent ones that comes to mind. Some PWS are on top for the only reason that players are allowed to get away with whatever they please and is the ONLY reason they are on top. It sure isn't because of levels or quest and Good Staff (although there are Staff that do care and try to do right). To judge other PWs, who do follow the rules and their player counts suffer for it, isn't right. Make all PWS follow the same rules and then see where the player counts fall when they have to rely on content and good Staff for players not on how much they can bend or break the rules for players.




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Originally posted by Googi


How would they do that? Sell N-Pulse T-Shirts or something.

And how many would you like to buy? I can set you up on a good price on bulk. :p

Googi 01-20-2003 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I still think they should base profit earnings on playercount. I mean the pw's that have the most players are obviously the pw's that bring in customers.
Isn't the idea of the new PW renting thing to make money for Stefan and Unix?

Anyways, I thought that they said that the popular PWs wouldn't get charged.

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
(1.) Profanity (2.) Sexual content.
Isn't N-Pulse having problems with sexual harrasment :\

JrTerrorist 01-20-2003 04:34 AM

O.o...

Mebe..?

GoZelda 01-20-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
I'm guessing they still really haven't decided how it will be set up. Hopefully they aren't going to charge for non-public playerworlds. That's pretty ridiculous since who would go out of their way to pay money to work.

I mean it's a struggle making a playerworld as it is, I don't want to have to pay monthly just for me and one other person to have access to an npcserver. :(

I agree with charging for public pw's though. I feel they should charge the public pw's monthly and allow the pw's to also turn a profit of some kind. You can't turn profit with a private pw. There needs to be some reason for people to invest not only time, but money as well, into a project that is making someone else money.

That doesn't really makes sense... I mean, sure, people like you, but you don't deserve one single pence or whatever for it. Unixmad and Stefan DO deserve some cash, because good playerworlds convince players to buy a Classic Account. Therefore, Public Playerworlds shouldn't cost any money, and Private Playerworlds that you want for you and your friends only, should cost like, a bit more then a Gold Account. In my opinion, that is.

Milkdude99 01-21-2003 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Googi


Isn't the idea of the new PW renting thing to make money for Stefan and Unix?

Anyways, I thought that they said that the popular PWs wouldn't get charged.



Isn't N-Pulse having problems with sexual harrasment :\

err No and where did you get that idea?


And that is also what I heard.

konidias 01-21-2003 03:24 AM

Era has a profanity filter but it sure doesn't have anyone stopping people from using profanity in mass messages/pms/etc. Plus they have a prostitution problem... I've seen girls there that sell themselves for gralat. :p

G_yoshi 01-21-2003 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Era has a profanity filter but it sure doesn't have anyone stopping people from using profanity in mass messages/pms/etc. Plus they have a prostitution problem... I've seen girls there that sell themselves for gralat. :p
Sounds like fun :) Although its not real pleasure, but hey! In the artifical world of online games, who cares, right? :D

"I'll build my own theme park with beer and hookers. Forget the theme park, I'll take the beer and hookers" - Bender

tlf288 01-21-2003 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Era has a profanity filter but it sure doesn't have anyone stopping people from using profanity in mass messages/pms/etc. Plus they have a prostitution problem... I've seen girls there that sell themselves for gralat. :p
I've seen that also.

p.s. What brought this up?

JrTerrorist 01-21-2003 07:47 AM

Who cares, lets keep talking about Era's prostitutes.

Milkdude99 01-22-2003 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by tlf288


I've seen that also.

p.s. What brought this up?

PWs being on the top of the server list because of their lack of following Graal rules, and those who do follow Graal rules suffer with low player counts. Its in my previous post.

Tyhm 01-22-2003 12:58 AM

These "rules" suffer from insufficient definition. ERA can point out it doesn't actually say anywhere that prostitution and pseudoprofanity aren't illegal, and thus prevent management's hobnail boots from stomping them flat like a pancake. Or paincake.

Sol'n: Management needs a place on the site to upload rules. Then when I say Jimbob can't be FAQ Admin anymore because he didn't show up for a week, I can point to the rule and there can be no contesting it - it's a rule, set in stone, updated a month ago.

JrTerrorist 01-22-2003 03:30 AM

If you play Era, leave all morals at the door.

Locke_boy 01-22-2003 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
If you play Era, leave all morals at the door.
Era is modeled after the real world. Remember that. :\

G_yoshi 01-22-2003 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
These "rules" suffer from insufficient definition. ERA can point out it doesn't actually say anywhere that prostitution and pseudoprofanity aren't illegal, and thus prevent management's hobnail boots from stomping them flat like a pancake. Or paincake.

Sol'n: Management needs a place on the site to upload rules. Then when I say Jimbob can't be FAQ Admin anymore because he didn't show up for a week, I can point to the rule and there can be no contesting it - it's a rule, set in stone, updated a month ago.

This would be an excellent idea. Although its kind of sad that there are rules not written down but do exsist that many of us neglect to follow or abide by. Its that common sense thing ;) But just to keep people from causing trouble, everything has to be spelled out and defined letter by letter.

JrTerrorist 01-23-2003 02:17 AM

Era isnt about rules, its about laming ****s..

DANCE CARROTS DANCE!! :p


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