Gangs
 

Okay we can now see gangs are back to being dead and sucking again. Only had a bit of excitement when it changed then died of again. If changing back to 4 gangs was going to be a permanent fix then you're just daft.

We have a great system (draft) sitting there ready and (not being put in place unless the 4 gang system fails).. How many times does this need to fail for you guys to realize it doesn't work? Why keep going in circles?

Will the draft system work? Who knows but it's a great system and definitely worth a shot. Put it in place and keep tweaking it until we get it spot on. Upgrade bases, bring out new gang stuff, y'know?

Seth isn't active.. do something about that please.. Most of us only play for gangs and they suck.

This is true, and we have addressed it (like last night IIRC).

Other stuff is just speculation. The Draft system is not yet ready to be released, and additional content is being created to coincide with it. I'd rather see everything done right the first time than just throwing it onto the server. I'm sure you can survive.

From the guy who created it... Okay? now put it in place. K, thanks.

So I guess Koho was right.

Since Zuba, Smasher, Loga and I left LC and stopped PKing I can honestly say gang liveliness has just fallen to sh*t. I definitely want to see a change, not sure if the whole draft system would be as great with the new gmap when it's released though.

If everyone's ready, I could get the draft system up and running this Sunday. I can hardly get ahold of Seth, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

Do eet fegt.

I've been sayin this for like 2 weeks. :noob:

ya do the draft system so we can get some raids goin thanks

In other news, Graal appears to be down.

stefan and his sphere shaped coffee cups :cry::cry:

Draft system plez timmy

The current layout with the staff is confusing, we have random people for random positions and they aren't doing anything with the position, just looking over what is currently happening. I'm not saying we need to change everything all the time but I see no progression in Seth's GA reign. We could essentially remove the GA position entirely and just have the management (Admins and above) take it over (too bad we don't have any decent PKers on that list that would have any idea how to run it successfully.)

I suggest just passing the position to Ishmael if hes willing to take over, at least we would have someone some-what active looking over the non-progression.

This game is for teenagers, nearly all of the entire staff team has been with us for years, they're all ticking over into their early 20's, gaining a life. I think that we might need to look into hiring some of the new generation to take over soon, too bad they're all 12 and suck.

game's always going to suck, server needs reset to be fair and fun, server will never be reset, so it'll never be fair or fun.

Server doesn't need a reset at all, just needs competent staff. Why do we have guns that are $900,000, $1,200,00 and even $2,000,000?

Yeah, the economy is **** but weapons should at most cost $300,000 to $500,000.

Making working for your money a viable option and you will see a valuable increase in players.

Right now a player logs on and can never imagine owning a $900,000 weapon, even if it is piss easy to obtain through the 100 systems of quick-cash.

Draft system itself has been ready for a while, but there's a lot of ideas that came up at the same time and the original plan was to release it all as a "package." If you want to see drafts alone, we can do a trial period, but I think if we were to just suddenly switch to drafts all we would do is create another 2-3 weeks of "Oh cool this is new" before everyone realizes that raiding and events haven't fundamentally changed at all so they still think it's boring. That's why we switched back to 4-gang system in the meantime; it was always supposed to be temporary and was announced as such from the beginning. It's at least better than the 15-20 gang system and probably better than the 8-12 gang system, so it keeps things alive while we work on the rest of everything.

We would love to have gang events during the week, but that requires a lot of consistently active staff, and that isn't always realistic. People with a lot of rights need to be trusted, knowledgeable, and mature; most of these are traits of people who have real life jobs and at least some amount of real social life. You end up making the choice of having a bunch of super active idiots or a solid team of people who can only log on for a few hours each day (and take occasional vacations in the Summer). Most of Era's players seem to push for the first without realizing how dangerous that would be.

To Godzilla's points; the reason we have so many admins is because I wanted to empower the people who know certain aspects of the game to make the meaningful decisions and changes without having to constantly run back to what the forums describes as "the same four people forever" (ice, zao, blue, alf). It's worked well so far in almost every occasion; few would disagree that Ish has been very effective with gun balancing, Kat has at least tried to get some business changes rolling (it's rough at the moment because the developers are so busy), Ulti has completely revamped the PR team, and Black was working wonders on ETA right up until the time that his computer died. I will admit that the PSA position didn't turn out quite as I had hoped, and I think Amber started to feel like she was a little unnecessary, so that was a mistake on my part. I need to find a way to give that position more of a voice with both the players and the staff. SM has been active, then inactive, then active again so many times; I am hoping to be able to talk to him and get him around more again, because he really does know a lot about Gangs when it comes down to it.

I agree that we need more mid-range weapons, but it all ties in to the economy issues. What we really need to push through our own heads as staff is that selling 10 guns worth 300,000 is going to take more money out of the economy than selling 2 for 900,000. We don't like to do the math sometimes when we're releasing stuff; assuming Graal isn't totally dead, we can hope to see more mid-range weapons in the future though.

I think you're kidding yourself if you honestly believe that there isn't enough mature, sociable, active and reliable potential staff members who log on daily. Don't take that the wrong way and assume I'm talking about myself, I'm just one of the many.

Ish has done a great job, working at a nice pace to release changes but with the amount of skins being sent in every day I think a few other people need the rights to add them, not just him.

Katbot has always had a mentality of maintaining things, never really attempts to change things for the benefit of many, what you're saying could be correct, he's tried and with the active development of the new gmap it might have been unsuccessful but we've all heard the same thing time and time again from him. It's an easy fix with Businesses to create some sort of hype to not look like you're doing nothing but I haven't seen anything or any attempts so I'm just assuming he has done absolutely nothing, which we have seen time and time again by this player.

Ultimose in himself is a great PR, I haven't spoken to one person who has complimented his ability to find great PRs though, I wouldn't call his team amazing or anything to be excited about, haven't met a single player who has disagreed with me.

Blackfires is a good PR and a decent ET but I haven't seen an active ET team during his reign, everyone has massed at least once a day during the peak times and still no ETs get on tag and host.

Amber... PSA... I think we all warned you on that one.

PSA is essentially another Administrator position, it was designed to look over; GPA, ETA, FAQA and their teams. If you were to bring it back I would suggest making it something like that again, someone who is willing to make tough decisions that may step on the toes of the current staff but will benefit players over all because those current staff on this positions aren't doing anything.

Now don't get me wrong, your development team is doing great, pushing out new content whilst in the mean time creating a new gmap, that's something that shows potential but some of the current PRs that you just threw into these positions aren't doing a good job at all.

Now I know we may have some defenders who will come on and attempt to argue my points so let me get this clear; I'm not belittling the team because I'm not on it or because I want to be on it or whatever reason you may come up with. I'm belittling some of the team because the statements are true, they promised to deliver something and have failed.

In all honesty, I myself am just getting sick and tired of caring about a game and a community no one else seems to.

@ godzilla, he said blackfires computer died, this is why you haven't seen him around lately.

That doesn't change my statement at all. I honestly don't understand why we even have an ET team. I think we could give the rights to the PRs and we would have more events hosted all the time than with the random 400+ hour players that host them.

The ET team has been on a downfall since I've been back, this isn't just because of blackfires PC being dead.

I thought all staff was added to the ET system?
So technically aren't all PRs ET as well?

We should get our ET bot back up again, that looks like fun. Not sure why it's been disabled, but I'm sure it could be fixed.

That's not how it's scripted to work, but with some minor adjustments it could easily be done.

Oh weird, i was randomly an ET the same time I was hired as PR.
I had to ask to be removed from ET. :p
@ ET bot, I forgot who said it, but I was told it was disabled because at late night it would just run and the few people who were online at the time would just collect massive amounts of ECs every night winning the events.

I remember the ET bot! I totally agree; why would that have ever been disabled? We gotta get that running again and start adding some new events to it. I had totally forgotten that was even a thing.


Hey, PRs, start hosting more events in the meantime. Hopefully BlackFires will get his computer stuff sorted out soon; I'll start thinking about a stronger interim solution just in case.

Right now half the positions are just being filled because of the sake of it. The people within the positions aren't doing anything and it just reminds me of a totally different management that fell down the drain very quickly.

Jump down throats, sort people out. If you've tricked yourself into thinking that there isn't any competent players that can easily replace 90% of the members you have now, you're mistaken.

I think Ultimose is still going through a learning curve though, being PRA isn't easy and finding reliable PRs isn't either. Ishmael is probably the best choice we have for GA right now.

Other than that, I suggest sorting people out or booting em out. We need things to happen and we need them to happen fast, especially with the current state of Graal.

okay so era is down lets talk about what reall needs to happens

amsel needs to address the fact that he wont finish a Counter Strike event.

munk3h not owning gun point

i become Idea Man and i get someone to make all the **** i want

the spar complex gets renamed to douchehead central

seth gives me 1000 ammo of my choice

a /teabag command where u drop ur nuts on someone

Completely off topic but I think we have the whole gang draft being implemented sorted out so I don't propose why not take over the thread with this wonderful idea.

Munk3h got fired by the owner of GP, so what's the problem? :O

BMG works for a "teabag".

Rogue cares.

Make a new thread. "Real Talk: Server's Down."

Rule of the thread: All statements must be one liners.

This. I literally will take a position that only has access to skins, i still have atleast 60 skins that have yet to be added and make them all the time when i have nothing better to do. Ish has told me himself his biggest issue is that he has no knowledge of graphics himself, so pushing that on him on top of his other responsibilities in the first place is kind of an overload. I work 50-60 hours a week but i would find the time to separate the good uploads from the bad and create icons and such each day. If you could find a way to separate rights and such so that i only have access to that facet, i would be all for it. I wouldn't even require an rc honestly.

era threads need more of this ^

Why am I always getting yelled at by Godzilla on every threat? :(

<3 love you my frisky feline friend, don't let the dirty ausy get you down.

Never took my advice on that one... kohos always wrong though. :asleep:

Is the new gmap on era yet?
Is MVP's tradeable?
Do gangs still suck?


Could somebody fill me in.

New gmap is being worked on at the moment, if you'd like to see it's progress don't be afraid to ask. It's not going to be released until I feel it's ready. At the moment, we're in the process of moving houses over from the present gmap to metro. Which is a lot of work actually.

There are currently two gangs; it's something new that Seth has decided to try this week. The limited time-keeping abilities of Graal made an automated Drafts system get screwed up, and the response wasn't very positive to begin with so it's questionable how much the work will continue on that front. It was a great idea but it didn't break up groups of friends the way that we'd hoped (they would just refuse to kill each other anyways).

MVP weapons still aren't tradeable. They won't be made tradeable until we figure out a way to get the current coins out of circulation, or change the way you get MVP weapons. It's likely that existing MVP weapons will never be made tradable, but will instead be replaced in the shops with new tradeable guns. It's not going to do good things to the server if we suddenly allow Wil, Corey, and a few of their friends to get 150+ MVP coins worth of overpowered guns and sell them off for millions of dollars.

Wil will never trade anything, ever. Just make MVP Coins more easily obtainable, win 10 events in a row? MVP coin. highest taxi mission score for the week? MVP coin. highest bounty score for the week? MVP coin. highest spar score for the week? MVP coin. there is a 100 ways to make the MVP coins worthless and make MVP guns more easily obtainable to different groups, lowering the price on them.

That's actually a possibility too o.o nice thinking.

what about if we can trade in achievement coins for a set amount of MPV coins,since there is no way to earn more achievement coins it could make MVP guns cheaper yet not ruin them by making them super accessible

How would you guys feel about an exclusive shop that requires x amount of achievement coins to enter. From there you'd have to have a certain amount of coins to purchase certain items. You wouldn't actually ever lose the achievement coins though.

im down with anything what involves achievement coins. need to put my 60 to use.