Business Rule
 

Attention Era,

I would like to make two points just to get it out to the public and make sure its known and understood. These points of course are aimed toward people in businesses and business owners. So if neither of those apply to you, ignore this.

Pking on business tag is now illegal. Since nobody would listen to the rule, Alfonso is making a new system where if you are on tag and shoot your gun and it hits someone, your tag is instantly removed (Not the "fired" kind of removed). Problem solved.

Second, this one applies to business owners, NO CUSTOM RANKS. I have warned you guys about this once before, but I have recently been seeing more custom ranks popping up. Have these fixed or you'll have to deal with MEH.

Alfonso (Working) (Sat Oct 08 23:23:24 2011):
Mass message:

From now on, to prevent any future problems, if you deal damage to a player while on a businesstag it will deal no damage. It will instead remove your business tag. Keep in mind you can still be PKed with a business tag on.

This goes for any projectiles or melee attacks.

Thanks,
Zach! ;)

Is this really necessary? Do players PKing on business tag have an advantage over players without a business tag? It seems like it ought to be up to the owners of the business how they expect their workers to act while on tag, unless I'm missing something and they really do have an advantage.

I've never understood why staff members like to disallow custom ranks. They can make businesses/gangs more fun for some players, and it's not like they do any damage.

It keeps players in large groups of people they work with to run around killing people. Its kind of abusive. The custom rank rule is to assure the businesses are more organized and it makes the scripts easier for the higher ranking players that need rights to things in shop. owner, co-owner, manager, etc is easier than Master, Lord, Winner, etc

In that case, wouldn't a more elegant fix be to simply enable friendly fire on business tags? There's already an existing place where this can be hooked in (near the old PPA stuff in the living class).

I guess I don't really understand why it's the server staffs' job to enforce organization in a player-owned business. It sounds like the real problem is the scripts which are basing rights off of rank titles. Ideally it would work more like the gang system where each rank/member can be assigned rights.

In the absence of a competent system, couldn't you just require that any players who are to have rights use a non-custom rank like "Manager"? There would be no need to police it—any players who wanted to have rights would have to use a standard rank title—and no additional scripting would need to be done.

Uh zach, this seams like common sence than news... only problem is what are you going to do about PPA and their tags when it opens again? they have to pk while on assignment/tag

Dumb.

Pretty sure that way back when you were unable to damage players whilst on btag.. I dunno why this was ever removed, but can't you just put it back?

Custom ranks is utterly silly. They let Alfonso make up utterly useless jobs like Housing Admin or GBA (after he tried so hard to remove the position). Who cares what player's do within their own business.

y r custom ranks illegal?? this is so funny..ur working for a biz/gang in a 2d game not for the us army lol makes me wonder how old some of our staff members are

Hasn't Zao said PPA is dead? As in, it will NOT be coming back?
I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure everyone got tired of it failing so many times.

rogue, stop being a *****.

Chris, when I owned GP i asked the same thing. It was apparently a long-standing rule because a long time ago, people had fought near their businesses with their tags on, and, if they began to lose, would run in and behind the barriers that only they could get through because of their tag.

It seems kind of logical to me, then, that pk'ing on tag would be illegal. But, more interestingly..People are allowed to PK and run into their houses, which is the same kind of problem. Is anyone doing anything about that?

I told Alfonso like 2 months ago that he should use the door class for the spar arena (15 second after taking damage), and add it to homes and businesses (even the PK arena) because people would use these restricted areas (enter and leave to heal) in order to avoid dying, mostly players with bounties or who just like to waste your time.

It is such a simple thing to do, any level artist could switch all those door joins in 20-30 minutes.

But remember, we are talking about Era here.

so sum1 who has to get to hit house to do a trade or even with some cash on him can't do so cuz he gets shot by someone? maybe bombing the house entrance?
wake up rogue

Because everyone spends their time bombing houses.
And everyone who has to go for their house for a legitimate non-pk related reason gets chased by people and has money on them to trade.

That is EXTREMELY situational to the point I can't even imagine someone just randomly bombing people's house doors and chasing them to restricted areas.

Beyond that point, most homes have two entrances.. and sewer houses are in a no-pk zone so it is irrelevant to have any problems if you're going to your house for a reason beyond running from a fight.

Plus you can just run around in circles and dodge for 15 seconds if that occasion arises.

I see no problems with this idea.

still, no

Explain?

I see that point as invalid, a while ago, back when the old gangs where around, i ended up chasing someone, forgot who, during a raid, and I'm 99% sure he wasn't running because he was trading, because he was in the fight the whole time, had low hp and ran. He then popped into a house and it saved his ass. That's back when we struggled for points.

ya that's 1 of house's advantages..and ppl will always have to go to houses for non-pk reasons and it's stupid if they cant enter their own house lol

For what its worth, I asked Alfonso to re-enable the no damage while on business tag. He said it would be better to just make this new system.

It was 100% sarcasm, I as arguing against that point.
Lol'd.

If it's a non-pk related reason then this doesn't apply, cause they won't have the pk timer.
You shouldn't be able to buy such a distinct advantage over players that overrides even the logout and 5 second pk timers put in place.

Right, and I suppose this system is going to appear out of thin air.
'Cause we all know he isn't going to make it.
(Totally waiting for him to use this bash against me next time I need him for something)

Business ranks:
I'm not sure why this is such a big deal, or why it's causing anybody on the staff team such huge pain. If it's such an issue, have a scripter create a simple ranking system (GUI, even, like the Gang System) and a drop-list of ranks to choose from that ties in to the rights system so that having a rank set inherits those specific rights for that rank (With the exception of the "Owner" rank, which can only be set by a staff member with a specific "staff level" or whatever). Then, a check upon login to see if somebody has a rank that is not in the outlined list of ranks and switches them to a rank that is. Preferably the lowest rank until somebody with rights can fix it up for them.

A) Cuts down on having so many different elements that need editing when somebody's rank is changed
B) Problem solved: No need for you to constantly warn people about custom ranks.
C) It's not hard to implement.

This.

tsa is genius,

no one else is.

Just make chris manager again and fix this **** lol. Chris just ran around in circles around u zach lol

He already made it. Took him like 10 minutes.

ye this is the biggest problem of era..people on btag pking...can we get old gun stats back or some new guns or simply MORE TO DO?

Good fix bro.