Gun Admin and total revamps:
 

Okay, before you guys get your panties in a bind, I have a few key points to, well, point out. First off, Wil, and you may argue this point for all I care, you didn't ask the players, who support this game, reason why its still up, reason why stefan is still making money, and you don't give us a say in your major decision of revamping. Now, after this surprise change, and we didn't know what you completely meant first time you said all guns will change, until afterwards when every single gun was nerfed. Afterwards multiple players got on your case about how this was a bad idea, and I myself made a poll which almost tied, deciding wether to keep new stats or change.

Now its been about 2 months (?) since the new stats and some of us are realizing how dull the guns are, nearly every gun is the same, especially in tier 2, where 60% of the guns are. Whats worse is that a 40k gun can match a 200k gun, when said player with the 200k gun worked their ass off 4 times more then the player who owns a 40k gun, no fairness intended, apparently.

Now to you, Wil Soul, apparent master of Era, Gun professional, etc, etc. Multiple "high ranking" players amongst your friend circle to keep you backup. You, you somehow become Guns Admin, you work hard to do what you see fit, which is what not everyone else wants, you implemented it, and now many of era are pissed at how slow the pking has become. Then you quit with no legit explanation. Now I know I've ranted about this change, but i'm also speaking from other stand points so don't go on me, I'm just speaking for the people. Many of you players who are on forums a lot own a lot of guns, a lot of money, and you don't care, but for those grinding it day in day out and finally make 100k, they realize that the 40k gun is the same damn thing as the 100k gun.

This all being said, and I can keep going, maybe when regarding your questions or comments, the re-revamp needs to happen, I can care less how much work it would take to fix this problem, you'd get happy players, a larger amount of unique guns, and when making new guns, your not restricted to 3 tiers. Pardon any grammatical errors, this just needs to be heard.


Forgot to mention, we have no gun admin, era staff: stop slacking, start hiring.

i 2nd this

I like how you made the options non-biased

I love you to.

The only ones i know who complained about the gun change were TK, Take, and you.

I see you have really good points (and I support this), but the Era Adminastration team isn't going to go for this because it involves actual work which might not have this gun adjustment made

On the forums? Yeah.

do you play era?

No, I think my Avatar shows that I play zodiac.

well i always see u on forums but i never see you on era kinda like Fragman(if u ever played zod)

You leave that there boy alone you rapist!

Wil was fired, or perhaps forced to step down, for disagreements with Gabriel (this is in his own words, im just paraphrasing what he said)

That said, I agree with WW here. It is my belief (uninformed as it may or may not be) that Wil took the guns and made them into what works best for he and his friends.

There is no perfect system, there will always be complaints about how the current guns are set up. Switching back to the old ones would not prevent this. But, in my opinion, it would make PKing a bit more fun to have the old stats back.

You do realize the only people who complain about the stats are the ones who got worse after the nerf and just can't adjust. Era never had .05 freeze guns when it was extremely popular. If I do remember correctly the only gun that I can think of a while back that might have been .05 freeze was the LC SG552. Era is a skill-oriented server, a gun should NOT be able to pk for you like the old ones could.


Why would Wil change the stats to benefit himself? He was already better than everyone else, and "his friends" were also among the top players on the server.... So how would that "benefit" us? We were better already.... That doesn't make sense.

Wil fixed the guns because it was something that needed to be done. Now that I remember even when Smu reset Era, there wasn't a single gun that had .05 freeze.... The first gun that had .05 freeze was the mp5 navy when I think Corey got one of the guns admins to buff it to that.... Then it became a trend.

Guns were NEVER meant to be the way they were before.... So this needed to happen.

Edit:

Also, just so you know, they aren't going to re-hire a Guns Admin from what I've heard. Once Wil fixed the guns they were set in stone and nobody is going to touch them anymore. Therefore there's no purpose in having a Guns Admin anymore.

I Pk the exact same as i did before the nerf, just I'm tired of ending up in trying trap the player half the spar since freezing is higher, they have more running opportunity, like i said the rich people don't care, you yourself own a mp5, if not something of that caliber. All they had to do was nerf the mp5s and other guns lower then .1 freeze, instead of completely changing the entire game. I knew someone like you would disagree.

ever since the gun nerf and the gang change there has been even less activity. no one raids, no one pks, everyone sits there massing out their items they want people to overpay for and very few people have cash because the auctions litterally suck every drop there is and make the rich even richer in theory. with nothing going on theres no noobs mining or shoveling to stimulate the economy either and people are left having to pawn guns just to create actual cash (which is what im working on doing at the moment gathering all pawnable items to add a decent bit of money circulation at a 200k loss for me in value) there wasnt anything that truly needed fixing. people could complain that .05 guns were lame and unfair but every other gun was equivalent to .1 freeze going against it. a .15 freeze going against a .1 freeze is still exactly the same its just slower. before the nerf anyone good with say an smgpk could easily beat someone with an mp5 it wasnt impossible. its just as hard now to go against the top tier guns everything is slow and just sucks now. think back to pre nerf g36k before they finally gave it a buff up to .14 freeze. it had .2 firerate and .15 freeze so even that which sold for 5k was better than all of your second tier guns now hah. litterally the lower second tier guns are just like the old xm8, even the daewoo was at .14

In fact, the G36k shares the same stats as all the guns the are twice to quadruple the price. So yes, your working for... nothing? Maybe for its rarity but thats about all. One could actually settle with a pair of Mk23s, since average freeze is now .15, and it has a fine rate of fire, its as good as the next gun you purchase with your 100k cash.

Forceing people to train on lower teir guns doesn't really make sense in the long run of things, the guns limit to the player... I think the stats should revert back to the old stats on top of that buff 3-4 new really good guns. So that most of all the population would get a Top Teir Gun. but really, gang bases should have weapons for the gang that is occupied in it. maybe make the 3 new top teir guns as the gang guns when you own the base. something. but defently the old stat system and more of a buff than a nerf I think it should have been

I'm going to take 15-20 minutes to post a good comment, and hopefully [@Willa] you're intelligent enough to understand my facts this time.

Ok you.

The change was hardly a surprise, with how open William is about change.. legitimately EVERYONE was fully aware the gun stats were going to be altered.

(40kx4=160k*)
Stats are set in stone, prices are determined by the players who own them. What do you think is more accurate? If the 200k gun is the same as the 40k gun, buy the 40k gun and the player will have to suck it up and lower their price.
If your argument is about the Shop weapons, that is blamable on the Staff members that [lacking proper Era knowledge] threw in the prices randomly. I'm sure if William was kept on the team, or some other competent person could do it (Maybe Zeus will read up on this and do something) those prices could be reworked.

It isn't a problem. As Slash said, the only people complaining are those who can no longer buy a better gun and automatically be a better PKer. (You, TK, etc.)

We don't need a Guns Admin now that the stats are fixed.. unless you want stuff to be randomly changed and messed up like the past many years.

Yes he was fired.

Clearly uninformed. Wil/His Friends/Us were already the best players on the server regardless of the stats because there's more skill to be found in that specific player populace. Being that 'more skill required' was one of the basis for the new stats, it's fairly obvious those skilled players would be better than those sitting here on the forums complaining about it and not learning to PK. Which leads me to believe it was an utter success.

Switching back would have the same, if not more, complaining/fighting/arguing.
Based on obvious assumptions that the unskilled idlers are the ones complaining about the skilled players being better (lol?).. the stats are pretty correct right now.

This could be mostly attributed to the gang change. Activity spiked exactly how we wanted (90-100+ players) but slowly died off because the new system is not even close to being completed. One of the main purposes of the system was to give Gang Points a leigitmate purpose (rather than having them poof every week). That still has not been implemented, making this new system as (or less?.. since the leaderboard is still broken) useful than the previous.

The rest of your argument I can hardly understand, but I will pick out some words:
The argument of [.5 v .1] and [.1 v .15] freeze being the same is completely false. They are much more closely balanced because that is the freeze per bullet. So now lets throw it into a ratio (since freeze works in .05 intervals, I'll give every .05 = 1)
This would come out to be 1:2 vs 2:3 as ratios for freeze time. I seriously don't think they're the same. You can always ask your 2ed grade Math teacher if you don't understand though.

How... doesn't it make sense? (Based on the fact your argument doesn't make sense I'll ignore it)

The gun does limit players to a point (Which is why there are multiple guns... each suited for a specific player style). Obviously a player who can fire 5 bullets a second has a better chance than a player who can only fire 3. But it still depends on how those players fires those bullets (use their guns).

There are (were?) going to be gang guns. Ask Alfonso about that one.

This makes my argument even more so. Players are working 5 times as more to own a 200k gun than those who only work to a 40k gun. But this all being said, depending on how you see the G36k is worth, some say its 30k.


Those who don't complain are those who are already rich, like i already explained. Majority of era is filled with the middle class, some only work for that 40k gun and are set for life, I wished to believe that there was another aspect to this game, called making money, which would directly affect how much free-er you are to PK. So that those who both work hard to make the money, are also rewarded for a better pking experience, but that all being said, I was still able to beat players that use a MP5 against me with an Ak47, there was still skill needed, but at a much faster rate since pking was, faster.

Everything is as bland, boring, dull as ever, if that was your viewpoints of being "fixed".



You are still regarding those with expensive guns, ei the MP5, Souizen, Scar, etc. I can't see how you still think every single one of you Souls, and the Soul butt train think they are the best, when they have the half a million to multi-million guns running around having a grand time, while the rest of era are working their ass of to at least compete in a fair match against those "Super Pros".

Then don't buy the 200k gun when you can work 1/5 as hard for a g36? I met Common Sense yesterday, he told me you're argument fails.

Then go get rich @ everything else you said.
You think I started with a Mp5? I didn't spend 2-3k hours mining and merchanting over years to buy it?

Go get a bunch of your friends, gather 3-5k hours a piece and all obtain mp5/tg/etc. Then make a family/gang and see if you can get anywhere near our status.

Wil didn't just fart and suddenly Soul was formed with the best PKers gathered in one spot, equipped with Navies.

You don't think about anything but what you see.
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Tell your middle class to work instead of idling, to spar instead of talking, to PK instead of crying about PKing; then maybe we can get somewhere with Era.

I'll even throw an example your way: As you've been sitting at unstick crying about the gun stat change for the past month, a cute little player named Courage (Conquer) has been mining.. bought himself a fresh BAR out of the shop, worked up to level 58 mining, and is nearing 1.2m cash trying to buy himself a mp5.

If that doesn't inspire you to Try instead of Cry, then have it your way.
Done here.

I remember you winning that lightsaber when it was 1 million cash. :)

sup bro can i jump in and ignore everythign 2?

Neo and Sanity created Soul :p

what i think willa is trying to say is..he doesnt like how he spends 200k on a gun and then some 30k gun can match up.

william just made cheap guns be able to go toe-to-toe with expensive guns and that isnt fair at all. All the rich people dont care because they have the best guns..just liek what willa was saying. imo the rich people shouldnt have a say in this type of thread because it doesnt affect you at all. unless you want to destroy your mp5n and get in the boat with the rest of us but why would you want to do that hmmm maybe because you worked hard for your guns (maybe some of you got the guns from a friend who quit or are borrowing guns) what im trying to say is oh shoot i forgot wat i was going to say.

Thanks for the shout-out bud :cool:

At the same time Mp5 was 4 of a kind and considered un-buyable. That didn't stop me from buying one did it?

The lightsaber anyone could've won... Trak won P2ks aswell, it was a legitimate boost to my standing but hardly afforded me everything.

And I traded it for a house.. :3

I know my history, I was making a point. And this actually helps enforce that point.

It's a personal problem if you don't have the foresight to check the gun stats and find the one you like that is most cost effective. Especially when the stats are layed out in a [fairly easy to understand] document.

The people who worked for their weapons to get on top don't have a say because the people too lazy to work want everything to be their way?

Yeah, you should stop right there. Because you don't have anything to say.

:cool::cool:

what do you mean my post doesn't make sense It means the gun limits to the player using it. So I don't see the difference between what we have now than before, other than it's forcing one tier of weapons pretty much

stats should be put back to what they were before and gangs bases should have guns gangs can use when they have the base and they should be like old stats mp5, acr and new 0 freeze guns. make things more exciting on era.

Hush your mouth with that blablabla

@rogue why are you even on this thread as you said

"Clearly uninformed. Wil/His Friends/Us were already the best players on the server regardless of the stats because there's more skill to be found in that specific player populace."

so how would changing guns back to old stats affect you.

the prices of guns and the stats dont match. imo a m1 should suck compared to UMP. wil didnt do anything except make a lot of people mad and all the oldbies have a walk down memory lane with the slower guns. wil should've stayed banned we wouldnt have this. the only thing i will thank him for is not allowing guns to be able to hold D but the only guns that cud really do that were mp5/scar/souizen/tg but souizen and scar werent a problem because they were barely seen.

if i may redirect your attention to the poll, you will see that 55% of people who voted don't want the stats to change, and only 45% want the change to take place..

now if the poll was in-game and not on forums it would be complete opposite

Hm.. i wouldn't think it would, even if most of era agrees to change the stats... Alf, or any high admin would agree to change them

the only reason its like this is because trials cant vote most people that are on forums have played era since when it came out

Vote yes, almost every gun does 20 dmg... wtf even an XM8 and an SMGPK >_> Dmg would be better...

Lol I'm so glad you left Zone. :D

To be honest, I see less people at unstick me with this gang update. Truth be told, when there's not a lot of people on, there's more people at unstick me. (hasn't it always been that way.?)

yea boy cuz i rape you there

The reasion for less raids is because the new gang system isn't complete. the gang point shop isn't done, and Scoper or his team of ET's do not host gang events often (to increese gang activity), and all aside pking activity is slowing down.. other than that I have nothing more to add to this thread other than i have stated before

We host them once a week. When we do, we have to scrape and beg gangs to participate, or get more members on. Furthermore, it's ALWAYS the same 4 or 5 gangs each week, nobody else asks to participate.

this problem is playerside, not ours.

Wil still didn't even ask if we wanted a nerf, he just simply stated that he is going to change the gun stats, no one would've figured he'd work hard to make every gun suck.