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Absolut_Crono 11-01-2010 10:20 AM

Recent Staff Changes.
 
Players of Unholy Nation, I know I haven't sent you a formal message as your new Manager, in hopes that I would be able to bring you good news instead of the usual self-serving "I am Manager now, be my friend!" type messages. I thank you all for being patient with me as I adjust to being the Manager of this great server. As you may have heard by now, Luca, the former Development Manager, has been fired for various reasons that need not be restated here. In light of this change, I have decided it would be for the best to remove the Development Manager position altogether, in hopes that my personal interaction with the Developers will create a better bond with them, and in kind create better products for you, the players of this server. That being said, I would truly appreciate it if you replied with some ideas for things you would like to see on the server.

Additionally to Luca being removed, Khyber has removed herself from Levels Admin. In light of this, I have rehired Mystic as the Levels Admin, as he was my choice to replace TooTy when she quit. His focus shall be on the CastleWars revamp, along with the Holiday content for the next 2 holidays coming up.

Jazz worked very hard on Halloween, and thus has been promoted to Scripting Admin. Please wish him good luck in his new endeavor! Nike, who also was a key part of many UN projects has stepped down. In light of this, we currently do not have a GAT Admin, though I would like to speak with Nike before choosing a replacement, in case he changes his mind.

Now that these changes have been made, I am confident that the staff team is in a better position to produce content. We will be working our hardest in order to bring you new, enjoyable things to do on Unholy Nation! If you have any other suggestions, please post them here and we will do our best to work through all the best ones as soon as we can!

Imperialistic 11-01-2010 10:22 AM

ding dong the witch is dead!

crono is steering this server in the right way..

nullify 11-01-2010 10:34 AM

Thumbs up to the staffing change. There is now a bit more light at the end of the tunnel. Hi5 Cron*

12171217 11-01-2010 12:24 PM

fail

Elizabeth 11-01-2010 12:28 PM

nice

MysticX2X 11-01-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12171217 (Post 1609497)
fail

i lol'd irl.

xnervNATx 11-01-2010 01:50 PM

about time

Mark Sir Link 11-01-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1609505)
i lol'd irl.

Why, he's got a pretty legitimate point. I can't think of any solid reason for any of the staffing changes made, especially the bit about him taking over development of the server. He can't even handle the PR aspects of the server, why should we believe he'll do any better with more on his plate?

How many times was Luca going to be removed/fired by Crono? I'm 99% certain that all Crono does is tell people what he thinks they want to hear, and I'm 100% sure that that will not help the server at all.

Can't really understand Mystic's appointment either.

Jazz being promoted for Halloween? lol. I worked harder on considerably more (probably better?) projects than that and all I remember getting was a demotion.

It all seems to be friends to the end, rather than any sort of, you know, ability, work ethic, whatever you want to fill in.

Mark Sir Link 11-01-2010 03:08 PM

Oh wait, I forgot it wasn't a demotion.


Absoult_Crono (Sun Sep 05 02:16:56 2010):

Scripting wouldnt be a demotion, in fact, there is no scripting admin so there's potential for you to become one of the highest ranking positions on UN (Scripting Admin is generally regarded as highly as any staff in my past experience)

fowlplay4 11-01-2010 03:10 PM

There's no pleasing you huh?

Mark Sir Link 11-01-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1609517)
There's no pleasing you huh?

There's plenty of pleasing me and this certainly isn't it.

Mystic had plenty of opportunity before as Asst. Levels Admin to establish why he'd be a good choice for this and it was literally an opportunity squandered. Rather than take the helm on anything on his own, he output next to nothing and said it was because he had no assignments.

If he can't even direct himself, why is he directing a team?



I only participated in a fraction of what was released for Halloween and discovered it wasn't worth even trying to do the rest, so I can't speak for everything about it, but I know other players who can and have outlined many of the problems with what was released.



And I'm fairly certain by now no one needs to be convinced that Crono wasn't even doing his job as PR Admin/PR Manager/etc so I don't think I need to get into that again.

These all seem like fairly legitimate issues, no?

MysticX2X 11-01-2010 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link (Post 1609510)
Why, he's got a pretty legitimate point. I can't think of any solid reason for any of the staffing changes made, especially the bit about him taking over development of the server. He can't even handle the PR aspects of the server, why should we believe he'll do any better with more on his plate?

No, it was just how he said it. Not the meaning of it at all.

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link (Post 1609519)
Mystic had plenty of opportunity before as Asst. Levels Admin to establish why he'd be a good choice for this and it was literally an opportunity squandered. Rather than take the helm on anything on his own, he output next to nothing and said it was because he had no assignments.

My 'output next to nothing' was mainly for the fact that I did not have any support whatsoever for what was aimed at the current players. I expressed myself in the other thread pretty clearly. If I was barely getting any scripting help from Luca, why would I go ahead and start other projects?

I left it to Khyber to decide what she wanted to do with the team since she complained and quit when she was removed after receiving the position from a 2 month disappearance, so apparently she wanted it that bad. The only other active member of the levels team (while the others do come on usually, but I haven't seen much of them lately) is Exil, and we already talked about it to where he said he thought I probably deserved it more than he did. I have my own ideas that I'd like to play out, and if that doesn't suffice, I will personally quit.

I have no idea what sort of staff you want in charge because there really isn't that many to choose from.

Crono 11-01-2010 06:17 PM

if the staff list can be revamped to a proper classic server lineup with active staff members in each section then you have success

step in the right direction imo, tired of scripters sitting on their thrones

Mark Sir Link 11-01-2010 06:53 PM

I hate to call out your bluff Mystic but I offered to help you with Castle Wars several times. Everyone who has worked with me can tell you I waste no assets I'm given by other staff teams (levels/graphics) as long as I'm actually given them. You rejected my offer several times for reasons I can't remember although I think it was something like waiting for Luca to assign someone.

I don't expect everyone working on a server to be a go-getter who will take on projects on their own initiative, but the people in charge most certainly should be. If they can't figure out what to do on their own, how can they possibly lead others?

Hiro 11-01-2010 07:19 PM

make UTC have a purpose again

MysticX2X 11-01-2010 07:24 PM

Just for clarification purposes, you offered your help when Jumb0 (the guy who was originally scripting CW) was still around and making progress. It seemed more reasonable to me at the time to have the person who had already started on it to continue with their progress. And mind you, the script progress he made on CastleWars was substantial and was near-complete.

Mark Sir Link 11-01-2010 07:26 PM

Also, Absolut_Crono, please be straight with the players for once in your career as manager. You did not fire Luca, he quit. Why am I not surprised that you are once again trying to spin something to try and look good to the players? You had been saying since September you were planning on removing him, and it is now November and he is gone because he left willingly.

We both know a lot of players wanted him gone, and it appears that you are just trying to make it look like you got rid of for some sort of boost in popularity.

fowlplay4 11-01-2010 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1609546)
step in the right direction imo, tired of scripters sitting on their thrones

yeah who do they think they are!

oo_jazz_oo 11-02-2010 02:26 AM

I would just like to say, I wasn't promoted to Nat Admin -just- because of what I worked on with Halloween.

The fact that i'm one of the only active scripters on the server (along with GK and MD), I've worked on countless npcs, and fixed pre-existing scripts that badly needed it.

I'm already working on a few things I believe the players will enjoy, along with some other systems that will help UN function a bit better.
I am also taking criticism, comments, and suggestions from players and trying to make sure everyone on UN has a fun time.

I'm not just going to go sit in the corner working on my own weapons to abuse the server. I'm actually working on things other people can enjoy.
If anyone has any problems or comments about the things I make, feel free to pm me directly and let me know what you think.
Your input is actually important to me.

I'm going to try and get things a bit more organized, so that we don't end up with every staff doing their own project, and ending up not finishing it.
I hope that everyone can just give me a chance, and let me show some work before being criticized.

Hiro 11-02-2010 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1609562)
make UTC have a purpose again

this

756856 11-02-2010 03:41 AM

Yay
 
Crono your the best!-blue man:D

jorollychu 11-02-2010 03:53 AM

so cool mystic

12171217 11-02-2010 04:23 AM

idk why i wasn't scripting admin (oh ye i do)

but that would've been cool; probably would've stayed a bit longer

fowlplay4 11-02-2010 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo (Post 1609645)
I'm going to try and get things a bit more organized, so that we don't end up with every staff doing their own project, and ending up not finishing it.
I hope that everyone can just give me a chance, and let me show some work before being criticized.

Isn't that what the manager is supposed to be doing? Otherwise Scripting Admin is just Dev Manager Lite.

Imperialistic 11-02-2010 04:33 AM

I think he probably meant 'every staff' as in the Scripters in his department.

oo_jazz_oo 11-02-2010 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imperialistic (Post 1609660)
I think he probably meant 'every staff' as in the Scripters in his department.

Yeah, this. Should have been more clear.

Because scripting staff tend to run off and do their own thing, making their own weapons, starting other projects, etc. Sorry about the confusion.

SwimChao 11-02-2010 06:23 AM

I have only good things to say about Jazz. It was definitely a pleasure working with him on Halloween.

I think he's the best possible choice for the position and will only do good things for the department.

LordSquirt 11-02-2010 05:12 PM

yea, I think jazz will do a good job as well :)

Fulg0reSama 11-02-2010 05:39 PM

I agree with you both as well. Good luck to ya jazz.

jacob_bald6225 11-03-2010 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link (Post 1609564)
Also, Absolut_Crono, please be straight with the players for once in your career as manager. You did not fire Luca, he quit. Why am I not surprised that you are once again trying to spin something to try and look good to the players? You had been saying since September you were planning on removing him, and it is now November and he is gone because he left willingly.

We both know a lot of players wanted him gone, and it appears that you are just trying to make it look like you got rid of for some sort of boost in popularity.

U mad bro?

Absolut_Crono 11-03-2010 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link (Post 1609564)
Also, Absolut_Crono, please be straight with the players for once in your career as manager. You did not fire Luca, he quit. Why am I not surprised that you are once again trying to spin something to try and look good to the players? You had been saying since September you were planning on removing him, and it is now November and he is gone because he left willingly.

We both know a lot of players wanted him gone, and it appears that you are just trying to make it look like you got rid of for some sort of boost in popularity.

As I told you on our forums, Luca did not quit. Luca was fired. It's comical, but not unexpected, that you would even attempt to refute this without even being a part of it. I assure you, anything that says the contrary including Luca's "quitting" post were made after she was fired. I wont even bother to comment on anything else you said, as you clearly contradicted yourself saying removing Luca wouldn't help the server, after personally going as far as starting a remove Luca petition.

As Jazz and others have already mentioned, his contributions were not limited to Halloween, Halloween being one of the many projects Jazz took on at the same time, and proved himself capable of finishing. Jazz is a more than capable scripter, and a valuable asset to our team.

Additionally, I would like to welcome Nike back as our GAT Admin. Nike has put a substantial amount of time into the server, producing many graphics during his period as GAT and Graphics Admin. Please wish him luck in running the Graphics Team!

xXziroXx 11-03-2010 03:43 PM

I support Jazz!

Mark Sir Link 11-03-2010 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono (Post 1609919)
As I told you on our forums, Luca did not quit. Luca was fired. It's comical, but not unexpected, that you would even attempt to refute this without even being a part of it. I assure you, anything that says the contrary including Luca's "quitting" post were made after she was fired. I wont even bother to comment on anything else you said, as you clearly contradicted yourself saying removing Luca wouldn't help the server, after personally going as far as starting a remove Luca petition.


I think the petition also had a good faith assumption that with his removal, he would be replaced by someone capable of leading development. Simply removing him and placing yourself in his shoes does virtually nothing to change Unholy Nation from a development standpoint because the amount of development work you personally output will be the same as Luca's, and you've struggled to even deal with PR issues, let alone now taking on leading development.

P.S: if Luca was fired instead of quit, how come immediately after he quit, staff members were discussing how you would look good for it? I am utterly convinced you are simply trying to look good, and without any sort of concrete evidence, your actions over the past several months make it much more likely that I am correct in saying you didn't fire him than you are in saying you did.

BigBear3 11-08-2010 10:32 PM

Please remove those horrible lights from Crab Shack. Thanks.

Whoever does this gets a full pardon!

nullify 11-09-2010 01:06 AM

Hey, who cares why Luca is gone? It's a step in the right direction either way.


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