Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1694175)

Like you have (or should have) any say on that at all. What are you going to do, shut down the server or fire all of the staff because they have a forum that differs from this one? Force them to make their forum "unofficial" and stop advertising it?

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1694176)

While we're at it, let's fix this:



Right idea, wrong word. Encryption and hashing are totally different ideas. Passwords should not be encrypted at all.

How about...

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694177)

We will ask a server to enforce proper behavior. People or servers who are uncooperative will face consequences which could eventually result in being made private or removed entirely if they continue to advertise websites that do not fall in line with the GraalOnline rules.

Originally Posted by unixmad (Post 1203561)

I have heard about some rumours that graalonline administration was against external forums, this is completely false and we are writing this message to clarify our position on it:

We are very happy when graal players are organizing themselves to create communities. Most of the actual communities are connected to playerworld or development communities. These communities are really helping us by providing feedback, ideas and are organizing content or gameplay. We will continue helping all this communities with software, hardware, time but also links from the graalonline main client.

Recently some of you have been unhappy about the official graalonline forum moderation and forum rules, I can understand your point, it's always hard to follow rules and we all like to be able to write what we want when we want but you need also to understand our point of view:

• We are the official forum and we can not allow slang langage, personal attacks, too much spam and anti social activities.
• We are a registered company and we need to control the content available on our computer. That's the law and we need to respect it.
• The official forums are focused on Graalonline, our goal is not to provide a general forum to discuss about television or cinema but Graal. Even if it's not our goal to provide such discussion, we have allowed a non graal related forum and a private forum with relaxed rules.

Some of you don’t like to respect these rules and want to discuss more general topics. Creating such forum not connected to the graal administration is a good idea if the goal is really fair.

This is becoming a problem when such an external forum is managed by a group of people that want revenge against the Graalonline administration team because they have been banned from GraalOnline for not respecting the rules. A few of these forums have been created these last years and have been all focusing on attacking the game management and the game itself by spreading false rumours on the Internet about Graal or the Graal management or by organizing illegal activities like copying our software, logos, forums or stealing graal account passwords.

At the end it makes a small group of people annoying the big majority of players by making the graalonline small administration team spend time on fighting false rumours and illegal activities made by a group of anonymous people.

Now ask yourselves:
• If you can be part of such community and also part of the graalonline community
• If the graalonline team can respect your suggestion when in the same time you are threading the graalonline administration.

If you are member of such forums focusing on making graal change by fighting the graal administration and/or want accounts unbanned by forcing us to lose our time and our energy fighting your activities, then don’t expect anything else from us than being ignored. Don’t expect to be or stay staff or an active member of the official graal community if you play an active role on such community, we will make sure to protect the majority of the players by asking these players to go find another place.

If some players want to create an external forum to make a forum for the graal community to discuss all topics with less moderation, we will be more than willing to participate by replying to your questions or having nice discussions about graal or anything else. We will not ask anything else than respecting basic rules that make everyone talk together, the respect!

If such community is active and friendly, we could even organize or participate to some nice meeting like we have done in Germany with the Atlantis community.

This thread is open for discussion but it will be strictly moderated. It is not the goal of this thread to advertise any forum or put spam. Try to make a message to give your opinion or idea not only to say you are against someone else opinion or idea.

Thanks.

Unixmad, Stefan and the GraalOnline administration team..

Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1694179)

So wait, you mean GraalOnline rules of conduct or these forum rules? They are different.

For example, does an advertised forum have to hide it's off-topic section and require that each member join a group approved by a moderator like the lounge is hidden here?

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1694180)

Might want to reword this.

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694181)

We don't expect third-party forums to follow these forums' rules by or in itself, but proper behavior is expected to be enforced as it would be in-game. This means no harassment, no pornography, etc if the page is being linked from the server. We will only ask servers not to advertise websites that are promoting harassment of users, or pornographic/illegal content.

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694177)

Fixed. It was originally intended to be very vague.

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694181)

I see nothing wrong with the wording of the rules. It clearly states GraalOnline's position is that we accept the creation of third-party sites and that falls in line with unixmad's post. I really do not think unixmad would support a website being advertised on Graal's servers if it contains harassment or illegal content.

Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1694186)

You might want to change the "as would be expected in-game or on the official GraalOnline forums," part then, as it sounded like the PWA expected 3rd party forums to be moderated in the same fashion as these forums are.

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1694191)

You don't encourage the creation of third-party websites but they are permitted. Well, we can assume that these rules are aimed towards members of the community who are not a part of the anti-websites that are around. I think that those websites being unacceptable are pretty much a given. However, the new rules state that you don't "encourage" the creation of third-party websites. Doesn't every online game (hell, every business) encourage the creation of third party websites? It seems like something that has always been done, and by the sounds of it, something that Unixmad actually encourages.

I can understand what you are trying to say, but I don't believe that you should say that third-party websites are discouraged because they shouldn't be.

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694192)

The word "or" is there because it is meant to be interpreted as "either this or that". Sites have full control over how they moderate themselves obviously, but if they are being advertised in-game via NPC-Server PMs or otherwise, they should be properly moderated in some fashion.

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1694198)

I should also make it clear that these rules only apply when a server actively advertises the website or incorporates the site as part of the server's community. As long as a site is not being advertised in-game via NPC-Server PMs or notifications, it doesn't matter what is posted on there as far as we're concerned.

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1694201)

Should clear that up on the rule itself by rewording