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Unkownsoldier 07-03-2009 02:11 AM

Gold Coloring Help
 
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Here is my trophy, currently I think it's a well made W.I.P. yet, I need some help blending the gold colors together, can anyone help me?

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Galdor 07-03-2009 02:36 AM

something like this maybe but I donno xP

DustyPorViva 07-03-2009 02:49 AM

Metallics are all about contrast -- bright highlights and dark shades. Galdor has the right idea, though to emphasize you might want to make the darks a little darker. You also don't want to shy away from putting them near each other -- metals don't react to light like other materials as they reflect it much like a mirror. So you have the underlying color of gold, but the surface itself is mostly covered with reflections so all those shades and highlights are from reflections of its surroundings.

Here is the trophy from Pixeljoint: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixels/ima...onthlyart1.gif

Also, your perspective is a bit off: http://i44.tinypic.com/212smxk.png

Kain4lyfe 07-03-2009 05:34 AM

Usually the color palette makes a huge difference when trying to resemble gold. The highlights as well. Dusty is right so listen to him. :]

Stephen 07-03-2009 07:05 AM

I find the easiest way to do gold, and lot of other metals, is to take advantage of your highlights and shadows. Plain old yellow will do for your fill, but you have to be creative with your highlights and shadows.
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Originally Posted by Galdor (Post 1503713)
something like this maybe but I donno xP

Cute, I want to see how it looks resized to match his original.

Elk 07-03-2009 08:31 AM

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1260/lolerc.jpg

a quick edit

Crono 07-03-2009 08:42 AM

Wow **** off elk that is good.

Luda 07-03-2009 09:37 AM

Niceee

Nelm 07-03-2009 11:14 AM

Wowww. Very nice, Elk.

Unkownsoldier 07-03-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1503793)


lol, always out-doing everyone else. Good trophy.

Galdor 07-03-2009 02:53 PM

hehe nice one elk ^^

Soala 07-03-2009 08:07 PM

Wow that's awesome
Actually to color anything with gold, I always use a shading of course, but with some non-common colors, like orange/dark orange shade

DustyPorViva 07-03-2009 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1503793)

How quick?

Elk 07-03-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1503927)
How quick?

10 minutes or 11, today was last day at school before summer break, so I was bored and did this :)
as you can tell it's a pretty dirty sketch
the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself

ff7chocoboknight 07-04-2009 01:20 AM

So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

Galdor 07-04-2009 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight (Post 1504013)
So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

Well he could always look at Elks trophy and learn from that xD

Unkownsoldier 07-04-2009 03:30 AM

Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?

DustyPorViva 07-04-2009 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight (Post 1504013)
So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

Nope, I totally ignored him.

smirt362 07-05-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1503793)

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1503975)
10 minutes or 11, today was last day at school before summer break, so I was bored and did this :)
as you can tell it's a pretty dirty sketch
the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself

That made me a bit sad/envious.

Liberated 07-05-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1504035)
Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?

completely different, you can study where elk placed the highlights and shadows, what colors he used, etc. There is loads to learn from something like that.

Unkownsoldier 07-05-2009 02:19 PM

Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

Liberated 07-05-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1504349)
Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

When you study his cup, you see how you should shade a cup, you can call it copying yes, but normally there is only one right way to shade something, with 1 lightsource.
And of course you won't learn how to shade a square from looking at a cup, but this was about a cup and not about a square was it not.

Galdor 07-05-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1504349)
Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

silence grasshoppah... in time and with some studying you will understand.
I'll send you some good read that is not too boring, and easy to understand :p

smirt362 07-05-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1504349)
Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.

Unkownsoldier 07-06-2009 12:06 AM

The difference is these "great art masters" want to become masters, I just want to be average. So there in for lies, that I would not study a master. I just wanted a description of what I should do, not an image, because images are worth a million words, however their not made of the words described to make them. If you catch my drift.

Stephen 07-06-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by smirt362 (Post 1504475)
The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.

Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

MrAnonymous_P2P 07-06-2009 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1504485)
Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

It's also very arrogant of you to assume he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Crono 07-06-2009 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1504485)
Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

Yeah smirt don't talk about us great masters when YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW MAN. :fro:

Stephen 07-06-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MrAnonymous_P2P (Post 1504491)
It's also very arrogant of you to assume he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Given his description of "Great Masters", anyone with an education in art history can - with great ease - see he does not know what he's talking about.

Liberated 07-06-2009 07:28 AM

And even then, don't you study images and irl objects to see how the light works? I do, looking at a good other drawing gives the same effect, you don't even have to look at how he drew it.

Elk 07-06-2009 03:39 PM

Gotta love Camera Lucida and Camera Obscura :)
They sure were great masters ;)

The thing that the "great masters" learned from looking at other work is just a part of the whole...a very very small part

Robin 07-06-2009 04:11 PM

It just occurred to me that that Graal supports 24bit images now and you don't even need to pixel ANYTHING =o

Elk 07-06-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin (Post 1504615)
It just occurred to me that that Graal supports 24bit images now and you don't even need to pixel ANYTHING =o

Technically it is possible, but it is barely possible to put that into reality, as it will be a huge problem resourcewise.

24 bit .PNG's are similar to .RAW
if you know what I'm talking about.

Robin 07-06-2009 05:01 PM

People can get broadband :)

Elk 07-06-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin (Post 1504628)
People can get broadband :)

Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so... :)

Stephen 07-06-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1504636)
Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so... :)

I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.

Elk 07-06-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1504638)
I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.

But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think

Crono 07-06-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1504636)
Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so... :)

Not everyone has higher resolution monitors so... :)

Stephen 07-06-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1504657)
But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think

The client has been optimized for this sort of stuff, you only see a problem if you have a ridiculous amount of 24bit PNG images in a single level - but you would see the same problems with a regular PNG file as well.

The filesize increase is so minimal with regular graphics (32x32, 128x128, etc) that it's negligible. You do see a substantial difference if you are working with a large image (500x500+) but large images are difficult in any format, so the benefit is still fairly substantial.

I've worked with very large 24bit PNG files on GK; once they're downloaded there's no other issue (lag, etc). For anyone considering the benefits and switching to 24bit PNG, I would say from my experience it's entirely worth it.

Elk 07-06-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1504658)
Not everyone has higher resolution monitors so... :)

XD shhhh!!!


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