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DarkCloud_PK 06-01-2009 09:01 PM

Putting this poll up here about Default.
 
The pollhouse poll isnt getting attention so.

Where should the next implementation and experimentation of default HD on classic go.

GC events like CTF?
Should I improve the default spar room accomodations first?
Should I spread the PK area to angel clan and improve those systems in default PK?
Or do you dislike default HD?

post feedback please

DustyPorViva 06-01-2009 09:03 PM

Biggest concern seems to be how default will effect events, so I guess that would be the next logical step of testing.

DarkCloud_PK 06-01-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1496078)
Biggest concern seems to be how default will effect events, so I guess that would be the next logical step of testing.

yes, that is also personally what im most concerned with.

Gotenks_Gore 06-01-2009 09:11 PM

i dont care but if i had to pick one it would be events

EclipsedAngel 06-01-2009 10:30 PM

Default HD is horrible.
I can't stand the instant hit crap.

MysticX2X 06-01-2009 10:58 PM

There's a negative externality for any of the HD's. It's something you have to accept. Personally I prefer default HD (although I suck at it now from lack of practice lol), because it's the only fair HD in my opinion since you can hit and get hit pretty decently. I know the lag issue and that is the issue for every HD.

BlackSolider 06-01-2009 11:35 PM

I'd say sparring for now, since it would give people something to do in between events.

xnervNATx 06-02-2009 03:32 AM

i dislike it

Corp1 06-02-2009 04:51 AM

I like it, because i get rewarded for offense and people can hit me easily if I make a mistake. Can actually string together combos, and get combo'd if I'm not careful.

Hitting laggers, I have a general sense of where they are going, and can time the hits good and get them cornered.

The new hd on the rest of classic has no death and turns into a slash fest even between two lagless players. But with the default hd I'm positive I could get a 100% hit accuracy if I tried to with someone that didnt lag at all.

Next step is Angel Clan or events since Exodus spar is pretty good and has smooth default hd as well so no need to put immediate focus on sparring atm.

xnervNATx 06-02-2009 05:06 AM

event will suck so bad with defaulthd and lol dew AC should stay clientside its like the only clientside pk level left around the bank , default will kill classic gameplay. thatall ihave to say

Mark Sir Link 06-02-2009 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xnervNATx (Post 1496268)
event will suck so bad with defaulthd and lol dew AC should stay clientside its like the only clientside pk level left around the bank , default will kill classic gameplay. thatall ihave to say

no u will

contego 06-02-2009 05:23 AM

In my opinion those are all equally excellent areas to focus on, but I'd personally focus on releasing whichever is the quickiest solution you've offered.
I still highly recommend releasing some kind of active economy item with sign on bonuses/incentives. (i.e. hat economy)

Throughout this process Classic's staff, along with player votes, can help sway your decision on Classic's economy item. Although the economy item should remain on the back burner until your above suggestions have been implimented.

DarkCloud_PK 06-02-2009 05:31 AM

Its more of the observation and possible issue testing matter more than the implementation of it.

the systems are very delicate around here, sadly.

BlackSolider 06-02-2009 05:41 AM

Oh yay, a hat.

MysticX2X 06-02-2009 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by contego (Post 1496270)
In my opinion those are all equally excellent areas to focus on, but I'd personally focus on releasing whichever is the quickiest solution you've offered.
I still highly recommend releasing some kind of active economy item with sign on bonuses/incentives. (i.e. hat economy)

Throughout this process Classic's staff, along with player votes, can help sway your decision on Classic's economy item. Although the economy item should remain on the back burner until your above suggestions have been implimented.

I think Bell mentioned somewhere Classic couldn't have a hat economy, but perhaps I could be mistakened.

DarkCloud_PK 06-02-2009 05:52 AM

Cards were intended on being an economy item, but the project had a bad launch, and the server does not have the amount of players needed to sustain the economy. when I can revamp cards and have a nice rerelease with a decent playercount(stable), we will have an economy.

BlackSolider 06-02-2009 06:09 AM

Thx Obama.

contego 06-02-2009 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK (Post 1496276)
Cards were intended on being an economy item, but the project had a bad launch, and the server does not have the amount of players needed to sustain the economy. when I can revamp cards and have a nice rerelease with a decent playercount(stable), we will have an economy.

I can't easily get into that kind of economy item. Although maybe if the cards were more personalized to Classic Graal in general I could.

For example: (with portraits)

Old staff (examples only)
Galen Card
Tyhm Card
Stefan Card
unixmad Card
Peach Card
Kain Card
Ibonic Card
Zorro Card
Mr. Bear Card
etc.

Guilds (examples only)
DoX Card
NBK Card
TAW Card
GaNgStAs Card
TCN Card
BTK Card
Baddies Card
SNC Card
SM Card
Venture Card
etc.

Familes (examples only)
Messiah Card
Demigod Card
Chill Card
Bloodvayne Card
etc.

Legendary PKers, Sparrers, and Players
Killermech Demigod (DoX)
DraXi Messiah (NBK)
King Clops (Baddies)
Lycia (JF)
Ronald McDonald
Mercury Demigod
etc.

Above are just examples, and I'm not by any means saying these are the only cards or that these people/guilds/familes should be used at all This is a suggestion of how to allow the players to relate more to this game while still honoring the originals. And these were just a few random names I dropped.

DarkCloud_PK 06-02-2009 06:25 AM

Have you seen any of the cards? Most are based on the old pre npc server Classic in theme, and much of the old overworld and notable people(the Tyhm card for example)

contego 06-02-2009 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK (Post 1496281)
Have you seen any of the cards? Most are based on the old pre npc server Classic in theme, and much of the old overworld and notable people(the Tyhm card for example)

Hmm is there an album that can be viewed on the server side?

MysticX2X 06-02-2009 03:14 PM

There is a place you can view all cards at. Sadly, only staff can get there but I don't see why a staff wouldn't warp you there.

BlackSolider 06-02-2009 03:54 PM

There's a bunch of cards based on pre-npc Server stuff as DC said.

Several people have cards of themselves because of the role they played in the card game: night, DC, bell, kai, and thor.

You can ask mystic, DC, or myself to warp you to the card-viewing room, or perhaps open your graal folder and find the card images if you have them. I'd put all the images on the card game website but I doubt anyone would look at it until the card game gets revamped.

contego 06-02-2009 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1496349)
There is a place you can view all cards at. Sadly, only staff can get there but I don't see why a staff wouldn't warp you there.

The album is a nice start but I believe it should be player accessible.

Also I'm curious about a rule book for how the numbers on the cards work and how you are assigning the cards made.

I strongly recommend an animated walk through/tutorial to be designed, but something simple and to the point. The tutorial should be in your "Q" items for easy access/review.

DarkCloud_PK 06-02-2009 11:05 PM

Glad has a link to his site explaining the whole game nicely with videos.
He should link it.

contego 06-02-2009 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK (Post 1496498)
Glad has a link to his site explaining the whole game nicely with videos.
He should link it.

Nice that should help whoever is designing the tutorial.

EclipsedAngel 06-03-2009 12:12 AM

Ask stefan for default HD source code and then make a custom HD with that.

BlackSolider 06-03-2009 02:40 AM

www.freewebs.com/classiccard

DustyPorViva 06-03-2009 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EclipsedAngel (Post 1496533)
Ask stefan for default HD source code and then make a custom HD with that.

I believe they have it, or at least all that matters -- the detection itself.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1496569)

That's cool, but you need to replace them BMP's with PNG's :)

BlackSolider 06-03-2009 02:43 AM

*scratches head*

DustyPorViva 06-03-2009 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1496571)
*scratches head*

You mean about the BMP -> PNG? You're using BMP's for all your images... a file format not really suited for web browsing. They have about 10x the file size of PNG's, and they rarely have a higher quality. PNG's are optimized, therefor much faster to download and will be a lot easier on your bandwidth, and no one will be able to tell the difference. Especially if you index them(8-bit, like you would for Graal offline).

For example, your one image "card album.bmp"
BMP : 832.69 KB (closing in on 1mb fast there)
PNG : 142 KB
PNG8bit : 88.8 KB

BlackSolider 06-03-2009 02:54 AM

Um...right.

How to convert and/or take screenshots in png format?

DustyPorViva 06-03-2009 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1496574)
Um...right.

How to convert and/or take screenshots in png format?

Graal should save in PNG by default. But if you have Photoshop(or Gimp or any equivalent software), you can usually save it by FILE > SAVE AS > and selecting the drop down menu and picking PNG. To optimize, you can do IMAGE > MODE > INDEX

However, Paint can also do it(though it can't optimize), by simply SAVE AS and changing the type as well.
http://i40.tinypic.com/24d57hh.png

BlackSolider 06-03-2009 05:01 AM

Coolio.


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