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Loriel 02-01-2009 12:46 AM

Stop closing threads
 
There is no reason to close thread once you think that the point of the OP has been answered. Even if the first question or whatever has been answered, it might still produce useful discussion.

Elizabeth 02-01-2009 12:50 AM

^this.




loriel for supermod.

Crono 02-01-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1461566)
There is no reason to close thread once you think that the point of the OP has been answered. Even if the first question or whatever has been answered, it might still produce useful discussion.

It seems discussion is frowned upon these days.

maximus_asinus 02-01-2009 01:01 AM

so is joking with friends

Darlene159 02-01-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1461566)
There is no reason to close thread once you think that the point of the OP has been answered. Even if the first question or whatever has been answered, it might still produce useful discussion.

I saw the error of my ways, and reopened the thread I closed in which angered you to the point of making this thread.
I shall try to do better in the future. :)

Inverness 02-01-2009 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1461566)
There is no reason to close thread once you think that the point of the OP has been answered. Even if the first question or whatever has been answered, it might still produce useful discussion.

I most certainly agree with Loriel.

And this leads me to another somewhat related question, should the thread starter be able to close (by request) their own topic?

I don't believe so, forums are for public discussion, and I don't think you should be able to stop the discussion just because it doesn't go the way you want (assuming its on topic). I'm currently thinking of the scripter hiring thread for Crystia where everyone decided to share their unfavorable opinion of the attitudes of some of the staff there, it was closed on author's request.

Crow 02-01-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1461642)
I most certainly agree with Loriel.

And this leads me to another somewhat related question, should the thread starter be able to close (by request) their own topic?

I don't believe so, forums are for public discussion, and I don't think you should be able to stop the discussion just because it doesn't go the way you want (assuming its on topic). I'm currently thinking of the scripter hiring thread for Crystia where everyone decided to share their unfavorable opinion of the attitudes of some of the staff there, it was closed on author's request.

Very interesting point, which I almost completely agree with. I believe that a thread starter should be able to close (again, by request) their own thread when it's "outdated" though. For example, a hiring thread which does not apply anymore, since all wanted positions have been filled or whatever.

Chompy 02-01-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1461642)
I most certainly agree with Loriel.

And this leads me to another somewhat related question, should the thread starter be able to close (by request) their own topic?

I don't believe so, forums are for public discussion, and I don't think you should be able to stop the discussion just because it doesn't go the way you want (assuming its on topic). I'm currently thinking of the scripter hiring thread for Crystia where everyone decided to share their unfavorable opinion of the attitudes of some of the staff there, it was closed on author's request.

Well, too bad it went way off topic then?

So we aren't allowed to request it to be closed when it goes way off topic, I mean way beyond of the point where it's on topic and the posts were flaming and non-constructive posts?

I've actually requested a Crystia thread to be closed, becuase it didn't go anywhere. We posted a hiring thread, and it went into a flaming discussion as of whether to zoom in while recording a video or not? (Or something like that.) What does that have to do with the hiring thread?

So, I don't agree with you Inverness. If a manager of a playerworld sees that their hiring thread is going nowhere, I don't see why they aren't allowed to request it deleted/locked/closed.

Elizabeth 02-01-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1461642)
I don't believe so, forums are for public discussion, and I don't think you should be able to stop the discussion just because it doesn't go the way you want (assuming its on topic). I'm currently thinking of the scripter hiring thread for Crystia where everyone decided to share their unfavorable opinion of the attitudes of some of the staff there, it was closed on author's request.

you actually have a really good point.

Loriel 02-01-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chompy (Post 1461704)
So we aren't allowed to request it to be closed when it goes way off topic, I mean way beyond of the point where it's on topic and the posts were flaming and non-constructive posts?

No, because you are not the moderator. The thread does not belong to you just because you posted the original post, it is not obligated to try to fit your idea of "constructive". Instead it belongs to the community and as long the community thinks it is a good idea to keep posting in it, it gets to do that - unless an actual moderator detects breach of forum rules.

Chompy 02-01-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1461761)
No, because you are not the moderator. The thread does not belong to you just because you posted the original post, it is not obligated to try to fit your idea of "constructive". Instead it belongs to the community and as long the community thinks it is a good idea to keep posting in it, it gets to do that - unless an actual moderator detects breach of forum rules.

Uhm? So I can't request/report/tell/inform a moderator about a thread that is just not working out?

Loriel 02-01-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chompy (Post 1461765)
Uhm? So I can't request/report/tell/inform a moderator about a thread that is just not working out?

No, in the proposed scenario you cannot. You can only report individual posts, or, well, your own post.

xXziroXx 02-01-2009 05:10 PM

Another superb example is the Endora hiring thread that Jigga created. :rolleyes:

Darlene159 02-01-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1461761)
No, because you are not the moderator. The thread does not belong to you just because you posted the original post, it is not obligated to try to fit your idea of "constructive". Instead it belongs to the community and as long the community thinks it is a good idea to keep posting in it, it gets to do that - unless an actual moderator detects breach of forum rules.

I disagree. I think the thread creator should be able to decide if the thread remains open, or whether they want to delete it or not.

DustyPorViva 02-01-2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1461778)
I disagree. I think the thread creator should be able to decide if the thread remains open, or whether they want to delete it or not.

Except people are using that as a, "Oh no, things aren't going my way I better get it closed!" when people call them out. If people do something stupid they shouldn't be able to just close the thread.

Darlene159 02-01-2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1461899)
Except people are using that as a, "Oh no, things aren't going my way I better get it closed!" when people call them out. If people do something stupid they shouldn't be able to just close the thread.

So? Does their closing it, or removing it change peoples opinion? No.
If they have it closed, or have it removed, it will more than likely reinforce the opinions already out there, so it only hurts the thread creator.

kia345 02-01-2009 07:35 PM

Hey Darlene, this thread isn't about Jigga, but Ziro's post about Jigga was about this thread.

DustyPorViva 02-01-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1461902)
So? Does their closing it, or removing it change peoples opinion? No.
If they have it closed, or have it removed, it will more than likely reinforce the opinions already out there, so it only hurts the thread creator.

No, it coddles them. Anytime things don't go their way they can just use their 'get out of jail free card'. Sure, it doesn't change our opinions, but we can never express our opinions about them anyway. Regardless, I just think that rule should be subjective to the situation, and not used as a pampering service.

Darlene159 02-01-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1461916)
Hey Darlene, this thread isn't about Jigga, but Ziro's post about Jigga was about this thread.

Yep, that's why it is still there. ;)

LoneAngelIbesu 02-01-2009 09:05 PM

Hm. I'd have to say that it's quite common to close threads that get off topic, or at least issue warnings to users. Many forums are actually quite strict about off topic posts.

In a situation where a thread exist to advertise a server's open positions, I don't think that it's appropriate to critique or criticize the server itself. Criticizing the manager for certain actions and attitudes or criticizing the working environment are acceptable, I would think. But, if you're looking to write an op-ed on the server's quality of gameplay, for example, that's best done in another topic.

It boils down to the intent of the original post. If I were posting an advertisement for people to come play my server, I wouldn't have any ground to stand on when trying to get the topic closed for critical posts. If I were posting a classified ad, looking to hire people, I would appreciate it if the topic remained at employment, and I would certainly get it closed if it turned in to a scathing criticism of content or quality of the server itself. I'm trying to get developers to work on my server, to make it better. The last thing I need is somebody deterring possible developers because of critiques/criticisms of the server in it's current state.

Inverness 02-02-2009 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1461778)
I disagree. I think the thread creator should be able to decide if the thread remains open, or whether they want to delete it or not.

Why does the thread creator get to dictate how long people can discuss a topic?
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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1461953)
Hm. I'd have to say that it's quite common to close threads that get off topic, or at least issue warnings to users. Many forums are actually quite strict about off topic posts.

We're not talking about topics that have become off-topic in this case.
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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1461953)
It boils down to the intent of the original post. If I were posting an advertisement for people to come play my server, I wouldn't have any ground to stand on when trying to get the topic closed for critical posts. If I were posting a classified ad, looking to hire people, I would appreciate it if the topic remained at employment, and I would certainly get it closed if it turned in to a scathing criticism of content or quality of the server itself. I'm trying to get developers to work on my server, to make it better. The last thing I need is somebody deterring possible developers because of critiques/criticisms of the server in it's current state.

Those that have worked for you before have the right to inform the community about whatever problems you have.
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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1461702)
Very interesting point, which I almost completely agree with. I believe that a thread starter should be able to close (again, by request) their own thread when it's "outdated" though. For example, a hiring thread which does not apply anymore, since all wanted positions have been filled or whatever.

Why is something like having the OP and/or thread title edited to reflect the end of the hiring period not sufficient?

CharlieM 02-02-2009 02:26 PM

I wish we could see our deleted messages, because im almost positive I posted nothing about Jigga on that post...

Crow 02-02-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1462149)
Why is something like having the OP and/or thread title edited to reflect the end of the hiring period not sufficient?

Well, that would also work ;D

Darlene159 02-02-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1462192)
I wish we could see our deleted messages, because im almost positive I posted nothing about Jigga on that post...

You would be wrong.

LoneAngelIbesu 02-02-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1462149)
Those that have worked for you before have the right to inform the community about whatever problems you have.

That's absolutely correct. What I said, though, was that discussing problems with the server content or gameplay is not appropriate in hiring threads.

CharlieM 02-02-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1462196)
You would be wrong.

Hence why I said almost


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