Looks too similar?
 

uhmm is it just me or has graal coppied almost every T.V. show or game out there?

Zone-Gravity Hammer... wtf?? isnt that from Halo 3, and Graal's making money off of it selling it for gelats...

Playeroworld-Heads- Ive seen spiderman heads,kirby,luigi,toad,dbz,naruto,pokemon, and even WILL SMITH?
lots more--

Im not sure if graals got permission to use some of theese but still, it would be nice to see some creativity.

Slapping gravity in front of an item/weapon isn't exactly original in its own sense, not even for Halo 3.

As for the heads... if the graphics aren't stolen from another source, and since heads really don't have 'names', there is nothing really wrong with it.

Rather than discuss the thread's topic, I sort of question the motive behind it. It doesn't strike me as one made with concern.

ehh... halo 3 was the first that copyrighted it so it kinda is there original.

How do you know they are the ONLY people EVER to use, and copyright the gravity hammer?

Seriously, post some facts that show that Halo 3 was the first to ever use and copyright the Gravity Hammer.

I think if you concentrated more on the nature of his statement than the question he's asking you will see it's not worth persuit - so much so that I think he's just sour and trying to kick up some dust.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest whatever accusations he has. I have no need to defend Graal.

I just figure if he's going to ask a question and defend it, he should have some proof of his statements.

not really.. im just giving my OPINION on what I see in the game... im not asking u to get rid of everything im just trying to point things out.

I don't think it's worth kicking up the dust for what strikes me as a petty reason - especially over something serious like this. I hope you agree, if not out of opinion than for the sake of conversation.

This contradicts
this.

If you're going to say it's your opinion, don't throw around words like copyright, which would mean it's a fact.

Like I said, Gravity -insert item here- isn't really original, so it's hard to say they stole it when who knows where it first appeared.

Only way I could see the set up for a lawsuit (I wonder if they would forward the DMCA to the support center?) is if the weapons were extremely similar (e.g. look the same, same purpose).

Let's be honest here, Zone's Gravity Hammer is a 2D version of Halo's

They look exactly the same and do the same thing.

Nothing a change of name couldn't fix.

Zelda Online? What Zelda Online?

Unholy Nation --

• Pikachu Shock NPC
• Pokeball Catching Players
• Mario Fire Plant NPC
• Louigi Fire Plant NPC
• Pac Man Transform
• Gani Emote Sounds
  ° Kyle from South Park (shift + e)
  ° Lemmings (shift + y)
  ° Darth Vader from Star Wars (shift + u)
• Souljaboy NPC
• Various Dance NPCs (Including sounds)

Now I'm not being a prude, but you guys are looking too into that one hammer NPC and seem to be ignoring the rest.

What good could possibly come of this conversation? >_<

They could be removed or modified, and an added bonus would be that maybe for once you would shut the **** up. I am sick to death of your posts now.

I'm afraid I don't post to amuse you. If you have a problem with them you may have to deal with it on your own. :p

Yeah I do realise that you're inadvertently sucking up with your mediations and constant belittling of other members, but when Tyhm did the same (in a more productive mannor) you didn't like that yourself so I'm sure you know where I'm coming from. Anyway, the outlining of seemingly ripoff NPCs are to promote originality I guess -- easter eggs are great, but using graphics, sound effects as well as the original concept is edging more on uncreative content than anything else.

you cant copyright a weapon you hopeless... the design maybe but yea...
"hey dude I have copyright on swords you cant do swords, wtf your sword even do the same thing! it cuts ppl."

I'm not sure what you had hoped to gain by referencing a post that's nearly two years old :oo:... Hell, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, " inadvertently sucking up with your mediations and constant belittling of other members". I haven't belittled another member in a few weeks, and I've been doing so very consciously - I genuinely want this community to progress what it has been stewing in for the past 3 years.

I asked the people posting to stop long before many were outlined - yeesh, only a single item was mentioned and that was in passing. The nature of the thread was to throw a fuss... to get actually get anything constructive done. I mean sure, copyright infringement is bad stuff and all but whatever infringements I've seen on Graal were essentially harmless. However, it's a serious topic and shouldn't be the result of someone (seemingly) throwing a hiss fit.

I guess you're referencing the easter egg event Tigairius and I made for GK? The graphics (of which there were many unique sprites for some mixture) were original, and made by myself. Obviously the concept of easter eggs isn't a new one, and I never harkened the work as original - however, the use of easter eggs was entirely original to Graal, especially when the special effects and "personality" of the eggs are taken into consideration - something I don't think you could do, I don't recall seeing you on during the event... so I can only imagine any information you have about this event, if that is what you're referencing, would be second hand.

On top of this the sound was original and very intentionally mixed with a volley of sounds. The movement was entirely scripted righting only on a single gani (an idle gani). There was a lot of work put into the project over a short period of time with no given warning - a lot of people enjoyed it. I'm not sure what you thought you would gain from mentioning it - once again if that actually was your intent.

Easter eggs, in media, usually mean a reference to another game, usually honoring it. Like in WoW, they have a Link-look-alike that gives you a sword similar to the Master Sword, as well as a boomerang. The NPC, of course, is not named Link. It's clearly a homage to the Zelda series.

There is a difference in easter eggs and ripping... but I honestly don't know the technical difference. Easter eggs, always, though, do not directly copy what they're honoring. Things are renamed, items are different, yet similar enough so that they're familiar, and most of the time not a major part of the game, but most of the time hidden or offer little or no value.

I think that's the problem with the gravity hammer. Clearly identical design, the same name, and as far as I can tell, a major weapon instead of one just for show.

Who was throwing a hiss fit, really? Dusty and I had the same conversation over AIM a week ago, and it wasn't sparked by a certain event, just distaste for the lack of originality. The discussion of unoriginal items on Graal is what this thread was about, and everyone else seems to have interpreted it that way, other than you. I'm not quite sure who you think you are, or why anyone is going to listen to you "asking the people posting to stop" but really, it's just obnoxious and a little embarrassing. Talking of embarrassing though..

Lookup Easter egg (Media) on Wikipedia, if you still don't understand the context I was using it in after Dusty outlined it.

Don't forget the pokemon icons/guild names on Zodiac, the spiderman graal head, and the bat mobile on Era.

Nothing is original, and it's difficult to come up with your own original ideas because it requires people to "think outside of the box." The way the human brain functions, it recalls situations that it has previously experienced and it rearranges them, and that's how ideas are generated. Originality is overrated in my opinion, functionality and how well you can capture the audience is key, originally or not. I agree that people should use their head a bit more and stop copying and pasting in to Graal, but that's more of stealing than being unoriginal.

I'd say that was of more an easter egg than rip off.

I could have swore I saw the Batman icon on the back of it. That's not a rip off? Okay. :rolleyes:

Not necessarily ... an easter egg is kind of a hidden thing ... for example, might be "swim across the Atlantic Ocean" in Google Maps.

A proper easter egg of the Batmobile would be... say, a Catmobile, with a cat icon.

As for why, because when you see something called a Catmobile, you'll almost always think, HA! Batmobile. It's so obvious it's funny. There has to be an underlying message, pun, or humor behind an easter egg to give it reason rather than simply wanting to have something from another game.

What does Google Map or 'swimming' have to do with easter eggs?
I already stated in my post you quoted that easter eggs are more often than not, hidden.

I made it clear I wasn't sure - it comes as no shock I was wrong :p


Sort if crappy that you ignored all the rest I posted, unrelated to the easteregg stuff.

Yeah I get what you mean actually. I just don't associate the Batmobile personally with Batman alone, because it's a sold out concept; they've had it in as easter eggs for those cars people collect, trains, tv shows, etc. There's a big list of that stuff on Wikipedia under Batmobile, "The Batmobile in popular culture".

I guess a good example of an easter egg in the gaming sense would be Konidias' *cough* Mario / Luigi / Wario / Waluigi outfits. Everyone has seen the outfits, they are not identical to the originals, but you can still see what they are supposed to represent. The hats are named "Cap of Stars (Red/Green/Yellow/Purple)" and the item descriptions are suggestive, "A red sturdy cap with a star emblem on the front; it makes you feel like jumping." etc. Another example of an easter egg on 2k1 is the description for the halo hat, "A floating golden ring discarded long ago by an angel.. just keep it away from fast moving hedgehogs." ..you get the point >_<

It wasn't about that; it's how you don't have to base it off of something else.

Ya, I always loved those easter egg outfits on BI.

I can't really word what makes an easter egg different than just stealing it, but I'll stick to what I said before: you have to have some sort of underlying meaning to it, rather than just having it there because you want Mario on your server. Pay homage to the games, don't steal from them.

Too many easter eggs though can overpower original content, even if well-intentioned. If everyone is running around looking like Mario and Link, instead of wearing all the other original content, then you've got a problem.

I think the problem with the Gravity Hammer is that, as far as I know(admittedly, I don't play Zone so really don't know anything about the hammer), it's treated like every other weapon. There's no referencing to Halo 3 at all, there's no background story for it that honors Halo, and it's not really a novelty item. It looks the same, and more importantly, it's NAMED the same, there is no play on the name at all, which is a huge part of an easter egg. What would make the Gravity Hammer an easter egg item, rather than a stolen idea, would be to rename it to something like... Graviton Hammer, and give it a little story referencing Halo 3(like Rufus posted about the Mario hats, giving little details about who wears them[red meaning wanting to jump]).

We're talking about in games and media, and more specifically, items. Although... I still don't get your bit about Google Maps... and I don't consider it an easter egg... Not that what I said was any perfect definition of an easter egg.

Fair enough ^^

I was under the impression that's what an easter egg was, a hidden treat. "Linken" in WoW is an easter egg, because it doesn't upfront resemble Link, but if you search for it, like you would eggs on easter, you'd see the resemblance.

But that's neither here nor now. UN's NPCs aren't easter eggs, they're just straight rip offs, especially the sounds.

Wasn't there a GS1 Dragonball-Z "Kamahah" floating around somewhere?

EDIT:

Who renamed this thread? GRAMMATICAL ERRUR

On Delteria while ago, yeah. I'm pretty sure there were Chocobos ala Final Fantasy too, but maybe not just Delt.

Chocobos were removed from UN for copyright infringement I believe.