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Noobie8205 03-01-2008 02:01 AM

Simple solution, stop being lazy.
 
This is about the first time I've actually taken the time to read through the forums even though I've been playing Kingdoms for years... and all I keep seeing is people complaining about how there should be new stuff for higher levels and "blah blah we need new spellls!" when really none of that is needed.. How hard is it to create a new dungeon? add new higher level monsters? Zodiac and any other server have seemed to figure it out why can't kingdoms dev? Seriously look at the haunted house levels, they probally took a whole 20 minutes if that to actually make... ffs how hard would it to be to create something else similar with a tad bit more detail and throw some high level monsters in? Maybe even get crazy and add a "boss" at the end of the dungeon and maybe this time make it worthy of the name "lord"? and when I say that I mean let's not make it able to be biled at level 40 ffs.. I don't see how kingdoms dev plans on keeping people entertained for much longer.. these petty events and grinding lords will only last so long... seriously adding a few new dungeons wouldn't take more than maybe a weeks worth of work, why not get on it and add some new features to the game already? That or atleast drop the xp required to level so it doesn't 50 hours of straight grinding lords to advance... Yes I know people are going to complain about how the game isn't designed for high level action but you gotta start some where and at least this would give people something to do rather than idle.

warmaster70229 03-01-2008 02:07 AM

And before the GK dev team can complain about how few their numbers are, just remember, scripters, level makers, and the likes are WILLING to help, but your not WILLING to let them (Myself included).

Your bringing GKs death upon it, but if you can't fix it yourselves, let people who CAN do it.

Noobie8205 03-01-2008 02:13 AM

I agree, it's sad PLAYER ran servers are booming! Look at Zodiac it's accomplished wonders, now look at GK ran by admin appointed staff and they've accomplished almost nothing in the past 2 years I've been gone playing WoW. Whooo they made use out of that other island on the main map! ffs stop playing around with the trials and get to work on stuff that actually matters to your PAYING customers!

Revontulet 03-01-2008 02:22 AM

Honestly, from what I've read in the forums I must concur.

Sky 03-01-2008 03:33 AM

This has been suggested numerous times. ;x

I guess they just see it's fine the way it is, and the players opinion doesn't matter. If thats not the thing then I dunno. >_<

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-01-2008 03:44 AM

They should release that flying-feature for GK...
That would help a little.

cbk1994 03-01-2008 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1377194)
They should release that flying-feature for GK...
That would help a little.

Until people get bored of it.

Like someone said, there are people willing to help out on GK.

Hell -- I'd even be willing to help. There are plenty of scripters who are willing to help on GK (aswell as other developers), and there is no excuse for what is happening (nothng).

Noobie8205 03-01-2008 04:12 AM

I've already tried to help.. I had Dustari's Castle all re-done when I was king until Sam and Ravenblade teamed up and banned me for a 2 hour period while the Dustari/CP war was going on and forced me out of power.. oh well, I tried. They're afraid of anyone with a little attitude and that's not willing to pucker up and kiss #$@..

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 04:21 AM

Teamed up? I think you did something illegal to have been banned for that two hours.

Also I agree with this. I need to talk to bjorn about taking over the battle island project again. I am sick of not seeing new dungeons. I actually have and idea for 5 dungeons for battle island. And i am sure i can get some LAT, GFX and scripters helping me on the dungeons and monsters.


Anyone willing to help just forum pm me and I will let you know whats up

Noobie8205 03-01-2008 04:29 AM

No I got blamed for something Moto did if you remember correctly, and you guys just so happened to figure it all out right AFTER the war was over just in time to force me to hand over the shield. but anyways that's not the subject here.

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Noobie8205 (Post 1377213)
No I got blamed for something Moto did if you remember correctly, and you guys just so happened to figure it all out right AFTER the war was over just in time to force me to hand over the shield. but anyways that's not the subject here.

Then I apologize for that.

Stephen 03-01-2008 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by warmaster70229 (Post 1377167)
And before the GK dev team can complain about how few their numbers are, just remember, scripters, level makers, and the likes are WILLING to help, but your not WILLING to let them (Myself included).

Right, you get me a list of competent people and I'll get them jobs.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377207)
Also I agree with this. I need to talk to bjorn about taking over the battle island project again. I am sick of not seeing new dungeons. I actually have and idea for 5 dungeons for battle island. And i am sure i can get some LAT, GFX and scripters helping me on the dungeons and monsters.

This is ridiculous, why make some epic new thing - with months of work - when it's effect will be minimal at best? Instead of finding a idea YOU like and working on it, find a idea EVERYONE likes and work on it...

You'd be surprised how something SIMPLE could change the game for the better so dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Noobie8205 (Post 1377202)
I've already tried to help.. I had Dustari's Castle all re-done when I was king until Sam and Ravenblade teamed up and banned me for a 2 hour period while the Dustari/CP war was going on and forced me out of power.. oh well, I tried. They're afraid of anyone with a little attitude and that's not willing to pucker up and kiss #$@..

This is the sort of GermanlKr3w nonsense I've been harping about.


If you guys want to develop your ideas in a NURTURING environment, and discuss details so that the end result is more refined, contact me and I'll show you such a place.

BigBear3 03-01-2008 05:17 AM

Germankr3w needs a touch from another nation!

Stephen 03-01-2008 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBear3 (Post 1377227)
Germankr3w needs a touch from another nation!

Yea, maybe one where Graal's greater populace comes from... say North America?

warmaster70229 03-01-2008 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1377197)
Until people get bored of it.

Like someone said, there are people willing to help out on GK.

Hell -- I'd even be willing to help. There are plenty of scripters who are willing to help on GK (aswell as other developers), and there is no excuse for what is happening (nothng).

Psst, I wonder if he means me O.o;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377226)
Right, you get me a list of competent people and I'll get them jobs.

Two of them have already posted, Chris, and myself.

Darklux 03-01-2008 01:03 PM

The problem about the kingdoms?

The game is too unbalanced to have real wars, and the game never had anything to do with roleplay - its just an adventure.

Ive been on real roleplaying mmorpg's, and I can say that GK is none and even if people rp it rather seems to be like street theater, not like roleplay in the traditional sense.

warmaster70229 03-01-2008 06:03 PM

The unbalancing could be easily fixed, if someone was allowed to do it :)

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 06:26 PM

@Stephen - actually I really could care less about what I like on here. Other people are screaming for new content so I delivered. And I have to deliver more of it.

Stephen 03-01-2008 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377284)
@Stephen - actually I really could care less about what I like on here. Other people are screaming for new content so I delivered. And I have to deliver more of it.

Right, so instead of hopping on board the production wagon you just defend your position and basically say you'll do it all over again.

:cool:

dNeonb 03-01-2008 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warmaster70229 (Post 1377167)
And before the GK dev team can complain about how few their numbers are, just remember, scripters, level makers, and the likes are WILLING to help, but your not WILLING to let them (Myself included).

Your bringing GKs death upon it, but if you can't fix it yourselves, let people who CAN do it.

Haha, that's new to me, really. If there was a suggestion made and someone asked if I could do it I asked why not help with it. Every time it ended up with a NO not a yes.. :noob:

If there are soo many people who want to help, why are there so less things submitted? Some people wanted a development pack to do levels and stuff, ok we added one but was it used? NO.

Why are the applications forums that empy? Development applications can be posted all the time, but this does not happen, too (Only applications for jobs on GK directly are announced to apply for) .

Maybe think again about your statement. Or better, do what you said and don't just say it like lots of other people.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1377194)
They should release that flying-feature for GK...
That would help a little.

How can something be released if it's not implemented in the latest client?

DustyPorViva 03-01-2008 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377284)
@Stephen - actually I really could care less about what I like on here. Other people are screaming for new content so I delivered. And I have to deliver more of it.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2928/caringmk4.png


I dunno, sounds as though the development team got as bored with working on GK as the players have playing it.

warmaster70229 03-01-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1377308)
Haha, that's new to me, really. If there was a suggestion made and someone asked if I could do it I asked why not help with it. Every time it ended up with a NO not a yes.. :noob:

If there are soo many people who want to help, why are there so less things submitted? Some people wanted a development pack to do levels and stuff, ok we added one but was it used? NO.

Why are the applications forums that empy? Development applications can be posted all the time, but this does not happen, too (Only applications for jobs on GK directly are announced to apply for) .

Maybe think again about your statement. Or better, do what you said and don't just say it like lots of other people.



How can something be released if it's not implemented in the latest client?

If there are APP forums, lead me to them, I love GK, and would withstand the seventh circle of hell three times over to see it be revived, and i would LOVE to help with that :).

cbk1994 03-01-2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1377308)
Haha, that's new to me, really. If there was a suggestion made and someone asked if I could do it I asked why not help with it. Every time it ended up with a NO not a yes.. :noob:

If there are soo many people who want to help, why are there so less things submitted? Some people wanted a development pack to do levels and stuff, ok we added one but was it used? NO.

Why are the applications forums that empy? Development applications can be posted all the time, but this does not happen, too (Only applications for jobs on GK directly are announced to apply for) .

Maybe think again about your statement. Or better, do what you said and don't just say it like lots of other people.



How can something be released if it's not implemented in the latest client?

I'm not going to take the time to apply, but I've said multiple times to kingdom leaders, Raven, you, Stefan, etc that I am willing to help with scripts. Almost every time I get a 'ok great' or something like that.

Like I said, I'm not going to apply. I don't really want the job. However, if I am needed, I am willing to help as I have said before.

dNeonb 03-02-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1377340)
I'm not going to take the time to apply, but I've said multiple times to kingdom leaders, Raven, you, Stefan, etc that I am willing to help with scripts. Almost every time I get a 'ok great' or something like that.

Like I said, I'm not going to apply. I don't really want the job. However, if I am needed, I am willing to help as I have said before.

If you don't want to work on debug don't except I tell you what you have to do. That'd be a little odd, but I can suggest you to have a look at the suggestion forums, maybe talk to Stefan or me before starting and then develop something and submit it? I mentioned this on forums quite a few times.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-02-2008 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1377309)

Thank you!

"I could care less" is the most annoying statement people make because they usually say it in a such an arrogant manner or in a way to look down on the person they are saying it to, when in reality they're no better than a monkey with feces on his face laughing at a zoo guest. And somehow, usually, they sort of "win" the argument because they're too stupid to know they lost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1377308)
How can something be released if it's not implemented in the latest client?

Apparently, by implementing it into the latest client.

Miya84 03-02-2008 12:36 AM

It would be good to see more monsters, with a range of dificulty. There is miles of dungeon underneath the kingdom islands, why not there? just now they are just a waste of space.

Ravenblade1979 03-02-2008 08:15 AM

@Stephen - nah i am just gonna continue on battle island.

Darklux 03-02-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warmaster70229 (Post 1377278)
The unbalancing could be easily fixed, if someone was allowed to do it :)


The problem is that many people like the way it is unbalanced.
There are two parties:
-One party, oldbies, people feeling superior due to their items, they cant imagine GK balanced and without overpowered items.
-The other party, moderate players, newbies, few oldbies, who would like the game fixed up. Id say they make up 60% or more of all players.

But as long as the first group exists there wont be any balance updates most likely.

Stephen 03-02-2008 04:12 PM

Darklux, tell me in one post what you think "fairness" on GK means, and how you would get it. Tell me all of the methods you would use to maintain this "fairness" balance.

Darklux 03-02-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377497)
Darklux, tell me in one post what you think "fairness" on GK means, and how you would get it. Tell me all of the methods you would use to maintain this "fairness" balance.

Actually, I could, ive made up quite a list already and sent it to various people.
If that was no joke, please forum pm me and ill show what iam talking about.

@Björn:

You present this like:
Iam inactive, as everyone who is willing to help can develop, so it is not my fault if nothing happens.

I see an error in the logic. Afaik you are Manager for Graal Kingdoms, a quite honorable position to rule a gold game, yet you don't seem to invest time and make up plans atm. There were various people applying for that job, if you are inactive and dont contribute to gk anyways, you should think about quitting the project, as hiring people to do independent work is not the job of a manager, rather building up a team, aiming at something and making up plans. Sorry but I don't see that on gk anymore.

If someone can see it, he should visit an ophthalmologist.

Stephen 03-02-2008 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklux (Post 1377501)
Actually, I could, ive made up quite a list already and sent it to various people.
If that was no joke, please forum pm me and ill show what iam talking about.

No, I want you to do it here - so when people take the time to read what you have to say, they will realize how confused you are.

Darklux 03-02-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377502)
No, I want you to do it here - so when people take the time to read what you have to say, they will realize how confused you are.

I don't like to be insulted by some freaks on these forums.

If someone want's to discuss it with me he can do that on p.m., I don't think I will follow this topic anymore.

Ravenblade1979 03-02-2008 05:11 PM

Actually Darklux has presented me with a few of his ideas that I would love to see implimented.

cbk1994 03-02-2008 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377502)
No, I want you to do it here - so when people take the time to read what you have to say, they will realize how confused you are.

Since when has Stephen been ruler of the GK forums?

Seems to me like in a lot of his posts he is like "don't talk here, pm me so I can tell you what to do" etc.

Just wondering ...

Darklux 03-02-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1377528)
Since when has Stephen been ruler of the GK forums?

Seems to me like in a lot of his posts he is like "don't talk here, pm me so I can tell you what to do" etc.

Just wondering ...

He is trying to fill the administrative gap of the game, though he obviously has no plans. Why would he have to keep them secret otherwise? Thats just and plainly hillarious.

cbk1994 03-02-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklux (Post 1377531)
He is trying to fill the administrative gap of the game, though he obviously has no plans. Why would he have to keep them secret otherwise? Thats just and plainly hillarious.

Ah ok. Was wondering why he was commanding the forums without a green name.

Stephen 03-02-2008 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1377537)
Ah ok. Was wondering why he was commanding the forums without a green name.

If you've go some good development ideas, I'd love to hear them. Because saying "no that's a bad idea" without suggesting a better one is far too easy.

cbk1994 03-02-2008 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377541)
If you've go some good development ideas, I'd love to hear them. Because saying "no that's a bad idea" without suggesting a better one is far too easy.

I don't recall ever doing that?

All I've really said in GK forums lately is that I am wiling to help with scripting as much as possible.

Noobie8205 03-02-2008 07:56 PM

Well I see the topic of this post went all to hell, now I realize why I stay off the forums all people use them for is a place to argue >_> /sigh

OasaTor_PK 03-02-2008 08:24 PM

Simple solution, stop cooking with cheese!

(( if you have seen the Canadian Dairy Farmer Commericals you will get this, otherwise GTFO. ))


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