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dude2020 03-27-2007 12:58 AM

What shall happen?
 
What shall happen when Stefan or unixmad dies? im just wondering really :(

Demisis_P2P 03-27-2007 01:00 AM

Indirect threat! Somebody call the FBI!

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pooper200000 03-27-2007 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293419)
What shall happen when Stefan or unixmad dies? im just wondering really :(

A funeral will take place and we will make a shrine? I dunno. Unixmad or stefan whoever doesn't die would appoint another administrator?

haunter 03-27-2007 01:13 AM

Graal admins don't die. They go to hell and regroup.

kia345 03-27-2007 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by haunter (Post 1293431)
Graal admins don't die. They go to hell and regroup.

explains those lava tiles no one ever uses eh?

pooper200000 03-27-2007 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by haunter (Post 1293431)
Graal admins don't die. They go to hell and regroup.

:D I guess they could have a going away script ready so in teh case they die graal eats itself?

Inspiration 03-27-2007 01:32 AM

What's the point of this anyway? It's not even realistic to think that Graal would still be running when one of the two dies, assuming they don't die from something other than age-related issues.

Lord Sephiroth 03-27-2007 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration (Post 1293447)
What's the point of this anyway? It's not even realistic to think that Graal would still be running when one of the two dies, assuming they don't die from something other than age-related issues.

Hypothetically I guess.

Googi 03-27-2007 01:37 AM

We've been here before.

Triple_Darkness 03-27-2007 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1293453)

Yet it was never given a true reason :(

kia345 03-27-2007 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1293453)

congratulations, you failed at ruining our fun, -3 coolness points

Googi 03-27-2007 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple_Darkness (Post 1293459)
Yet it was never given a true reason :(

Serious answer:

If Stefan dies, then Unixmad either hires a new programmer, tries to continue without Stefan, or just shuts Graal down.

With Unixmad, it depends on the business structure of Cyberjoueurs. If it's a corporation with a broad base of shareholders and Unixmad doesn't have a controlling share (which I highly doubt) then they would elect someone else to be in charge. If it's purely Unixmad's private property then it just passes to whoever his will specifies (there's even a strong possibility this could be Stefan?)

Rapidwolve 03-27-2007 02:18 AM

What if they both die

dude2020 03-27-2007 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1293469)
Serious answer:

If Stefan dies, then Unixmad either hires a new programmer, tries to continue without Stefan, or just shuts Graal down.

With Unixmad, it depends on the business structure of Cyberjoueurs. If it's a corporation with a broad base of shareholders and Unixmad doesn't have a controlling share (which I highly doubt) then they would elect someone else to be in charge. If it's purely Unixmad's private property then it just passes to whoever his will specifies (there's even a strong possibility this could be Stefan?)

And they both die at the same time?

Demisis_P2P 03-27-2007 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1293469)
Serious answer:

If Stefan dies, then Unixmad either hires a new programmer, tries to continue without Stefan, or just shuts Graal down.

With Unixmad, it depends on the business structure of Cyberjoueurs. If it's a corporation with a broad base of shareholders and Unixmad doesn't have a controlling share (which I highly doubt) then they would elect someone else to be in charge. If it's purely Unixmad's private property then it just passes to whoever his will specifies (there's even a strong possibility this could be Stefan?)

Cyberjoueurs isn't a stock listed company.
Listed companies have to publish financial reports, so I checked to see if they were listed so I could see some earnings reports. Nothing.

The internal structure of Cyberjoueurs isn't really published either, there might be more than just Unixmad and Stefan. We can't know. D:

Googi 03-27-2007 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293476)
And they both die at the same time?

The French government takes possession of the game and tries to find a buyer for it. We pool our money and get it. Then we purge the staff, ending the oppression of the human race.

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1293478)
Cyberjoueurs isn't a stock listed company.

A corporation can sell shares directly instead of going through the stock market, you know.

kenyonandelliot 03-27-2007 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293476)
And they both die at the same time?

Nintendo takes over.

Demisis_P2P 03-27-2007 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1293479)
A corporation can sell shares directly instead of going through the stock market, you know.

Yeah but as far as I know even companies that aren't publicly listed still need to make external reports for current and prospective investors. :{
The only way around it would be to have investors that don't have some 'stock' share in company. They would be stakeholders but wouldn't have any entitlement (except legal entitlement to the value of their investment based upon some contractual agreement). I think.

The fact that Cyberjoueurs is a 'company' and not a 'sole proprietorship' or a 'partnership' would mean that there is more than just Unix at the top, but like I said before, since we can't know the corporate structure we can't make any more inferences. :{

Tyhm 03-27-2007 02:41 AM

I've often wondered that myself...
I mean, so much of Graal rests on the hope that nothing bad ever happens. For years and years, if I vanished Graal woulda been in trouble...then we got all these PWs, now it's just like if Beorn vanishes, Kingdoms freezes and decays...but Stefan could get it going again, so it's not a problem. If any given Classic coder vanished, their assistants could get things going again (after the requisite two years of rewriting the system NPC to "make sense")...
but if Stefan dies, who else knows how to code Graal?
Did he really comment it all properly?
Would anyone be able to figure out what's causing such and such a bug and fix it, and release a fixed version?

Unixmad's place is a bit less specific but just as exclusive: say he has a heart attack allofasudden, I'm guessing he's willed it to his wife. What if she deigns to sell it off? What if it gets bought up by RagOnline or MaplStory and they decide to scrap it just to eliminate potential competition, put a redirector in its place? Not to open the "IT WOULD BE AWESOME IF NINTENDO BOUGHT GRAWL BC UNIX RUNS IT BAD AND BANNED ME 4 HAXING LOLZ!" debate again, but where's Graal gonna Really find a producer/webhost/etc. willing to take the kind of losses Unixmad has weathered, absorb the debt Graal's accrued, and still keep the bloody thing going?

It's somewhat apocolyptic. I hope that, in the event martians abduct France as a whole, they've made plans to take care of us.

Devil 03-27-2007 02:44 AM

Wow.. try worrying about your own life, instead of some owner of a game you'll never meet.

Demisis_P2P 03-27-2007 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1293488)
Wow.. try worrying about your own life, instead of some owner of a game you'll never meet.

THIS SIS MY LIFE@@! YOU DON"T T AKE GRAL SERIOSULY ENOUGHG> I LIVB FOR THIS GAME#!~!!!!!! TUF GO DIE AS ASD.

Googi 03-27-2007 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm (Post 1293487)
if Beorn vanishes, Kingdoms freezes and decays...

Clearly you don't know much about 2K2.

Tyhm 03-27-2007 06:18 AM

*shrugs* It's less a specific statement of fact and more a general example of single-coder projects. Once upon a time Kyle0654 wrote a bank card for Classic and left. A year later the engine updated and the card broke. Despite the script's expert commenting, it still took me a week to figure out WHY it was supposed to work, then why it Wasn't working before I could fix it...

No matter how good the G2K2 team is, good luck adding something to the mudlib server code without Stefan...

Crow 03-27-2007 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm (Post 1293555)
*shrugs* It's less a specific statement of fact and more a general example of single-coder projects. Once upon a time Kyle0654 wrote a bank card for Classic and left. A year later the engine updated and the card broke. Despite the script's expert commenting, it still took me a week to figure out WHY it was supposed to work, then why it Wasn't working before I could fix it...

No matter how good the G2K2 team is, good luck adding something to the mudlib server code without Stefan...

Stefan is still coding almost everything of GK, so wheres the problem?;o

dude2020 03-27-2007 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1293648)
Stefan is still coding almost everything of GK, so wheres the problem?;o

And he dies? this thread is about waht if Stefan and/or Unixmad dies not the present (much)

Lord Sephiroth 03-27-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm (Post 1293487)
What if it gets bought up by RagOnline or MaplStory and they decide to scrap it just to eliminate potential competition, put a redirector in its place?

lol...

Crow 03-27-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293703)
And he dies? this thread is about waht if Stefan and/or Unixmad dies not the present (much)

Oh...yea, you are right. Eh well, dunno what will happen if they die, and I wont really think about it ;o

Shotoo2 03-28-2007 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293476)
And they both die at the same time?

Anti-Graal's final solution?

Demisis_P2P 03-28-2007 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotoo2 (Post 1293863)
Anti-Graal's final solution?

Nah. Their final solution is more like 'Super hax money clipping Era UN keylogger trojan v8.exe'

Switch 05-01-2007 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1293889)
Nah. Their final solution is more like 'Super hax money clipping Era UN keylogger trojan v8.exe'

I solute you, dear virus keylogger trojan, just to die -.-

Back on topic.
WTF WHY DO YOU FRIGGIN' CARE YOU'LL JUST GET SKINNIER SO YOU CAN'T NOT MOVE EVERYWHERE -.-
I take it like this: The moeny to play this game is so high, so I don't care that much.

zokemon 05-01-2007 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1293486)
Yeah but as far as I know even companies that aren't publicly listed still need to make external reports for current and prospective investors. :{
The only way around it would be to have investors that don't have some 'stock' share in company. They would be stakeholders but wouldn't have any entitlement (except legal entitlement to the value of their investment based upon some contractual agreement). I think.

The fact that Cyberjoueurs is a 'company' and not a 'sole proprietorship' or a 'partnership' would mean that there is more than just Unix at the top, but like I said before, since we can't know the corporate structure we can't make any more inferences. :{

You are thinking of "corporation" not company.

Gambet 05-01-2007 04:25 AM

Did Stefan program fairyland? If not, I'm sure Unixmad could just have that person do some work on Graal, or just shut down the project as a whole and focus completely on fairyland.

I've never played the game so I wouldn't know if it was any good.

Curt1zzle 05-01-2007 06:25 AM

They purchased or obtained the rights to fairyland, I'm fairly positive.

Infernix 05-01-2007 06:27 AM

Hmmm, someone mentioned Nintendo. Now imagine is they actually did make a online form of Zelda...awsome. Though Im still waiting for some SSBB online.

kenyonandelliot 05-01-2007 07:00 AM

No.. Stefan didn't make fairyland, it was made a long time ago by Koreans I think or some asian country.

Deadly_Killer 05-01-2007 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot (Post 1304809)
No.. Stefan didn't make fairyland, it was made a long time ago by Koreans I think or some asian country.

Magical Tux..?

Spark910 05-07-2007 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadly_Killer (Post 1304818)
Magical Tux..?

No, it was made by a gaming company who licenced it out. Think franchise, they get cuts of subscriptions, without the burden of actually running it.

zim5354 05-08-2007 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1293419)
What shall happen when Stefan or unixmad dies? im just wondering really :(

Revolution in this *****!
viva la revolution!


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