UN Management.
 

UN management.

I believe it has gone down the drain within just over a year.
I mean you do have good staff on the server which do their jobs. You have staff which are always inactive/don't do their job.

There have been recent hackings going on (to name one, I'll only mention the words "BlobZ Rules" as everyone was saying.)

There are people being fired for no reason. People being hired every other week.

I also believe there have been 0 to very few updates to anything for a long while on there.

It just seems like it is falling apart more than ever before.

I could be wrong, what do you think? :confused:

Idk, why not delete this thread, and pm/email them? :p

I never liked UN myself, because it's a haven for 10 year old "bad-asses" :/ And the staff don't discourage it, because, hey, if we have to ban him, we have to ban everyone else too, including most of our staff!

this.wins++


On a less jokingly note, yes Kirble I fully agree with this and think the server should be taken off the list. It's crap. >.>

Ew I hate UN now... the GPs (including the GP Chief) banned me (ultimate) for a horrible (and un true) reason...

I totally agree...

Ok, say that when UN doesnt remain graals highest playercount sever.

And my guess is switch that you deserved it and mad you got caught.

Explain. Your reasoning.

UN is a host of events and childish people who's excuse for "omfg liek nick lukin for 2 gfs" is that their RPing. >.>

Well i can tell you a few of the classic servers are no different or less. If you managed to even look around UN it has some cool npcs

I guess admins haven't seen this, this is why the topic is still open..

I see you've complained, but yet you have not come up with some type of idea to try and fix the problem?

Shut it down and ban everyone that plays/works there? The PWA have been instructed by the management a while ago not to interfere much there because of the high player count, yet they constantly break the code of conduct.

That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

UN is the only server I can go to spar/sometimes PK. Classic changed their system to a horrible one, and Delteria/Npulse never have many people on.

inb4lock

Normally nothing would have happened to this thread, but now that everyone's going "omg its gunna get locked" it will be locked.

Right.


[LOCKED].

Putting a post on this forum isn't exactly going to get the most sympathy or compassion.

I'm pretty sure it'll be looked into. If not, I'll do a few pm's here or there. Feel free to email me at [email protected]

:).

That's a joke, right? You can't mention the name of a server and the words "management" in the same post without Moonie or someone locking it.

so sad :(

I wish I had come to work back when I had the chance. :cry:

Delteria has had between 40-65 players from the afternoon into the late evenings on most days for the past few weeks. x_x

But Un has a really nice sparring system. And pkers lol.

Anyways, I guess Spryte is alright but i hate the ugly town remakes they had like a couple months back.

time zones mang :(

Heh, thats what we said to the management, but they would rather keep the players. I'm sure they would populate similar servers like Delteria tho... ;)

I agree, and I am actually quite angry about this. No one should be above the rules for any reason.

BTW, I allowed this thread because it was not bashing UN.

^ Exactly what I was going to say before I read your post Darlene.

I only posted it to show my opinion and get other opinions in a non...how can I put it...threatening (for lack of a better word) way.

I just put forward my opinions and I must admit, there have been some good posts like that of MysticX2X, yes, UN does have various, well scripted NPC's which are inventive and such etc etc.

I was mainly talking about the staff situations. It seems that there are "extras" being thrown in and around the place.

For example, a Developer staff section being made when there are already a lack of GAT's, Scripters and level makers (level makers not so much though).

Then there are the developers, firstly there is Elk. He's a great guy, extremely good at what he does but couldn't he have simply been re-hired into the GAT section?

Same with SKrobo, he was a GAT, quit and came back as a scripter, hence he was then in the developer section. (Then was moved up to Dev. Admin)

Hoyt, not very active but a very good scripter, why is he a developer and not in the scripter section?

It simply puzzles me :S

If you are making money for the company you simply get more leeway, thats buisness 101. You let the ones bringing you profit do as they want, with certain limits.

Reflect that onto real life, and presidents/mayors giving big buisnesses tax breaks to continue bringing in money for States. Its not fair to the little buisness, but its life.

Developer is for people who can do many multitalented things.

Its basically for people who can do more things, and need the legitimacy of a real position to get more rights so people wont complain about it.

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

Fact is, UN brings more players to the community. Stefan and Unixmad like that, and they will not let people interfere with that. I just hope it doesn't go as far as making people leave the game. But 100 > 10, so oh well.

Work on a server with 100+ playercount daily and then you might understand how much of a ***** it is to keep things running smoothly.

If you have a properly structured team of staff, and everyone knows their role and does the required amount of duties to the best of their ability, it shouldn't be a large problem.

Unholy Nation, heh.. I agree with the initial point of this thread, but some important issues are missed. I'm a Classic player, but I spent a while on Unholy Nation, and have the occasional spar there when I'm bored and I have noticed there hasn't actually been any updates what so ever and I'd put it down to bad management.

Having an inactive manager plays a large role in why UN isn't evolving the way it should. Spryte seems to let the staff do everything, planning things, making up their own little projects, making the place more fun, which has actually landed us with nothing at all. Spryte was a good GP Chief, because she had really good discipline skills, but her manager skills just aren't there, and it's just like a popularity contest with her. The most I've seen happen from Spryte is a ban of Malinko, which actually had no standing what so ever, just a personal attack basically and if you like him or not, you can't do that.

Since WiKKiD left UN due to personal reasons 8 month ago, there has been zero releases to the public. The every day systems which are used, such as the sparring, were made in WiKKiD's day and are the only things that are entertaining on this server. 8 month ago, there was a new quest being worked on, everyone knew about it, Seaport. I think WiKKiD left a lot of storylines and directions for the mentioned quest, but nothing has come of it other then a few NPC character changes -- they changed the quest characters into people who actually play the server, thus destroying the whole point of trying to integrate a storyline. Everything that was being worked on 8 months ago has been abandoned, yet I believe this is what the staff should have been working on, because it was new and exciting for the players.

The lack of any updates is being blamed on the fact that the GS1 to GS2 conversion (yes, they're still fully scripted in GS1, not even GS2 enabled infact) which is incredibly stupid, they have staff, they have a dev server, yet this is the excuse. I know someone personally who tried to offer their help and support in converting from GS1 to GS2, and he actually enjoyed doing it, but was ignored by all staff "in charge" of that department.

Speaking of staff, their lineup consists of some of the most immature Graalians I have seen, who gain position by sucking up. I know someone who gained a level 4 RC 3 month back, just by asking! There are staff who have never even logged on since they gained their position, I don't believe any of them are actually assigned any work, so basically the whole point of the staff there is to provide people with position over players, rather then to work on making Unholy Nation a better server. UN has gone through some staff changes, infact, a hell of a lot of staff changes, yet haven't actually placed anyone into work and given them phony positions, like Elk, Development? I find it odd that people who have applied for jobs on UN, yet specialize in things, such as Elk and Tom, who are good at graphics, were placed into a Development staff category. Maybe the rights entice these talented (I use this term lightly) staff members, but that's not right.

In my personal opinion and from experience, I think WiKKiD should be managing Unholy Nation. I started playing UN when WiKKiD was manager because it was actually pretty fun. Things such as big player events, like the Halloween event, were very well executed, and it just made the server that bit more fun, yet things like these don't happen anymore. I also know while WiKKiD was manager there was numerous projects going on, the removal of guns and cars to be replaced with things that actually make sense to the theme, new quests, new events and progress and development was going along strong.

I think the management of UN really need to consider what the hell they are doing more seriously and either start fixing the problems, or giving them to someone with better management capabilities, like WiKKiD for instance, in order to give Unholy Nation the development it so clearly needs, rather then this farce we have going on right now.

Now continuing from the digression, you can't depend on structure to keep progression going. It simply won't work. The "large problem" is that you're dealing with a player base of young people to hire staff members from. You can't simply throw around trust to everyone. You're a fool if you think that way. Micromanaging the tasks and staff is the only way to handle larger servers if you expect copious amounts quality updates to be completed. Unfortunately this approach results in quickly burning out and losing interest, which I assume is the case with UN.

A year? Try four or five. (Excepting NJ.)

This whole paragraph that Rufus typed up is 100% accurate, there's no real better way to describe how much of a down-fall in UN is.

"UN's staffline up is just a popularity contest"
couldn't have said it better myself.

It's really pathetic to see how horrible the staff line up for UN is since Wikkid quit, a few members of their "uploading team" have told me they just got jobs by simply asking. And one of them who got it through an application openly admit that her friend helped her out with the application, yet the staff didn't do a thing about it.

Want another sad story that went away without anything happening? Elk, the very well known Developer, has had a horrible HORRIBLE reputation for harassing players, in a "sexual" way, im not bashing him, because this is an actual true story. I was just walking around TC, and then I start reading some mass messages of Elk, asking people if they had webcams and MSN. I was confused and asked why, he was then replying with things like "i'll show you everything on my webcam" and "show me your ***** on webcam" he was harassing me, and other players sexually, and I said "wow man, your acting stupid" so he jailed me for 30 minutes, claiming I was 'insulting staff' I messaged Skrobo and Spryte about it, yet they failed to do anything. Staff im friends with on UN have told me stories how he had posted very "disturbing" pictures of himself on RC. Only on Unholy Nation people. :\

The above statement is above and correct, I loved UN when it first came out.. but damn it didn't take long to go down the crapper.

I really don't see many problems with UN. There's slight staff corruption, but Delt's corruption is way way worse.

There is a complete overworld, tons of Mini-games, things to do, events, ect.

Lots of NPCs.

There are a lot of servers that need new management and real attention payed to them, but honestly, UN is not one of them right now.

There was only that new OW but i didnt really like it.

I really dont think spryte is such a good manager for UN, plus allowing for tarran and turmantra get redone was terrible. Because the remakes were kind of bad. They have a real good spar system, better than any of the other classic server list spars. Events are fun, though lats aren't good.

But i thought wikkid left because blobz made her all sad with his UN takeover lmao.

This is a game people play to play, there shouldn't be any corruption, and if there is it should be attempted to remove it rather then ignore it.

Sparring, overused events, an overworld no one ventrues outside of the outside OSL level, and that's about it, great stuff.

Just because of the high playercount does not mean it should be overlooked, at all. If there's issues, they need to be solved.

None that i seen.
Uh dont forget the card game, the rpg, r2r. People don't venture outside TC because most of it is pk. Yeah not much at all. Comparing it to others...
The fact is, there aren't any. Just some, but usually the management should do it.

It's impossible to remove it. You're working with teenagers who are being paid nothing for their time. They have little to lose in the end if they're fired, and it's normally their first time with any real power over people.

Even adults who are used to power can become corrupt in positions of authority.

Actually, I'd say UN has a lot of people who venture around. Many of the popular areas are quite far from OSL.


It shouldnt be overlooked, but it should be taken into consideration that the server is offering enough to keep people logging onto it.

Also, solving issues is a pretty easy thing to say until you're the person who has to find and effectivly solve them. It then becomes a different story.

thats partly because theyve had pretty much the same high staff the whole time. theyre getting better atleast :)