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Crow 01-07-2007 01:11 AM

Esteria!
 
It is back! You can visit it again! Have fun :D

Mykel 01-07-2007 01:17 AM

Any other updates? >:|

Crow 01-07-2007 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel (Post 1261972)
Any other updates? >:|

Textbox, area name boxes and some other small updates.
And some tile updates of course :D

Mykel 01-07-2007 01:19 AM

Screenshots!

Crow 01-07-2007 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykel (Post 1261976)
Screenshots!

Sorry, I already logged off and I will go to bed in some minutes. You could just log on for a sec :]

Shakram 01-07-2007 01:43 AM

2 Attachment(s)
is it to hard to logon for 2 mins on esteria ?
there are 3 testlvl made by z where you can see the updates

Luda 01-07-2007 01:55 AM

we need a drool emotion,angelu those graphics are amazing :)

konidias 01-07-2007 06:06 AM

I still think you need to increase the contrast on the tileset/gfx... it really would take less than a few hours of work and would improve the server a lot. I've already did an example of this a while ago and it just lets the Graal characters fit the area a lot better.

Is that Oasis influence I see or maybe my eyes are decieving me... (the inside tiles)

Kittah 01-07-2007 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias (Post 1262107)
I still think you need to increase the contrast on the tileset/gfx... it really would take less than a few hours of work and would improve the server a lot. I've already did an example of this a while ago and it just lets the Graal characters fit the area a lot better.

It's because they don't blackline the tiles. It'd be simple to make them look better in less than an hour with a simple brightness/contrast adjustment in Photoshop or Gimp, although perhaps some tiles would need specific adjustments.

smirt362 01-07-2007 07:57 AM

Puuuuurdy

konidias 01-07-2007 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kittah (Post 1262123)
It's because they don't blackline the tiles. It'd be simple to make them look better in less than an hour with a simple brightness/contrast adjustment in Photoshop or Gimp, although perhaps some tiles would need specific adjustments.

No not really... Using a black outline on those tiles would just make it even weirder... All they have to do is up the contrast on the whole tileset until it better matches the characters. There isn't any individual tilework needed. They basically made the entire tileset and all of the graphics in a certain contrast. I had the same problem with Oasis... every thing looks faded. At first I thought "well it's kind of unique being faded" but then when I tried messing with the contrast in a snapshot I was like "holy crap, it looks a lot better with more vibrant colors!".

To put it bluntly... it makes everything feel more alive.

Crow 01-07-2007 11:36 AM

Yea, we tried black outlines some months ago, didnt look good :P

Shakram 01-07-2007 02:33 PM

looks ugly when you use a bigger contrast on the esteria tiles
has a lot to do with the color choice and tile design
but ok i will try it

Chompy 01-07-2007 03:11 PM

Nice screenies :D

xXziroXx 01-07-2007 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chompy (Post 1262242)
Nice screenies :D

I agree, nice work Angelu.

Shakram 01-07-2007 05:27 PM

we are using 13% more contrast now ^^

xXziroXx 01-07-2007 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shakram (Post 1262257)
we are using 13% more contrast now ^^

Screenies!

Shakram 01-07-2007 05:35 PM

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there ^^
ive redone the cliff structure too
more contrast looks to flashy XD

Darlene159 01-07-2007 05:52 PM

I am loving the graphics. Looks really nice.
:D

xXziroXx 01-07-2007 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shakram (Post 1262260)
there ^^
ive redone the cliff structure too
more contrast looks to flashy XD

Looks alot better now Angelu. :)

Kittah 01-07-2007 07:06 PM

I agree, I love the tileset and especially love the layout you've set up with it in the actually png. Very ordered.

I know I'd work for you ;)

maximus_asinus 01-07-2007 09:07 PM

Everytime I see screenshots from this server I can't help to think how awesome this server could be. Keep up the good work, hopefully it'll make the Classic list someday.

WanDaMan 01-07-2007 09:20 PM

Awesome. I can't wait!!!

smirt362 01-07-2007 09:58 PM

Freaking hot.

Infernix 01-08-2007 01:24 AM

How long have you all been working on this server? You keep on improving on the graphics but you have yet to show us all the other things that come with servers.

Like things that require scripting (NPCs and Functions of sort) and is there any story line to the server yet? Are you just showing us a bunch of flashy graphics every once in awhile.

The next time I see you post on a update I hope to see something other than graphics or Im pretty much going to lose hope in this server as well.

Skyld 01-08-2007 01:26 AM

I'm much in agreement here; where's the blood of this server? What's it's aim? Sure, it's pretty, but I haven't been enticed enough by that alone.

D4rKv310c1ty 01-08-2007 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1262404)
I'm much in agreement here; where's the blood of this server? What's it's aim? Sure, it's pretty, but I haven't been enticed enough by that alone.

I agree, gorgeous eye-catching book cover, but what's inked on the pages?

Felix_Xenophobe 01-08-2007 01:42 AM

This is obviously a server aiming for a disco, 60-70s kind of theme.

zell12 01-08-2007 02:22 AM

Hey, for the "underwater" cliffs, try something different there, make it less detailed so it looks more correct I guess you could say, underwater.

Mykel 01-08-2007 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12 (Post 1262423)
Hey, for the "underwater" cliffs, try something different there, make it less detailed so it looks more correct I guess you could say, underwater.

Maybe it's just really clear water. :cool:

zell12 01-08-2007 03:23 AM

I guess so, but even still, the cliffs would still appear slanted and stuff.

Shakram 01-08-2007 05:05 AM

you must know iam a hard working gat and lat but i cant script
and there are not many scripters on graal which do hard work too
thats the most prob all the time...
so i can only sit and wait for the scripts are done ^^
but to the scripts you dont see scripts on pictures logon to esteria and look which scripts are done
and to the story ... a story in a mmorpg is so lol all the guys are the same hero and kill the evil boss ? nope not on our server... the biggest part of our server will be quests that means not to kill monsters like on zodiac or gk nope there will be hard riddles where u must use alot of techniques and items you gain from time to time... and than there will be a big fun part which means that you can play a lot of minigames to gain different items or other things
there is no need to say where you start or what you are on our server right now :P
and to the underwater cliffs... maybe its more reality when i turn the water green and unclean but hey guys this is fantasy so my water is blue and clean so you see the cliffs the same than over the water :O

zell12 01-08-2007 05:42 AM

Yeah, I guess so, but even still if you could see them clear there would have to be some sort of slant to them or something ... looks okay either way I guess, whatever i won't be playing it.

konidias 01-09-2007 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1262203)
Yea, we tried black outlines some months ago, didnt look good :P

Did you even read what I just said above your reply? I said not JUST black outlines... I said increasing the contrast. Actually it's less contrast increase and more saturation increase. It's not the contrast it's the saturation. (meaning the colors have like faded out)

I put this example together... which one looks more alive and fun to you?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3633/contrastyr2.jpg

If you say the left one, maybe your monitor is busted. :p

Crono 01-09-2007 02:30 AM

the right one...

i wont start anything in this thread this time, dont worry :P

Shakram 01-09-2007 05:10 AM

maybe it looks ok in this small screen but in the game you cant do it like this
my screen is very dark and its to shiny for me and i think its looks ugly too
you can do things like this when you gfx in classic style but not on my tiles lol
and how i said ive done the contrast 13% higher than before not only the outlines
the mushrooms in your picture looks like the mushrooms in chernobyl (radioactiv)

konidias 01-09-2007 05:26 AM

It looks better in the normal sized image. Why is your screen very dark? Do you realize that not everyone is going to use your monitor settings? You have to make graphics in a way that will look appealing to the majority of people.

How are your tiles not classic style? You're still using some classic style tiles in your tileset (like my mushrooms) Even though your cliffs and grass and such is not like classic, that doesn't mean they can't have COLOR. All you're doing is coming off as arrogant. Like your tiles are too good to be the normal tileset color or something...

Like I mentioned in my last post (which you still apparently aren't reading), I said that it's not the contrast that you need to increase, it's more the saturation. Also if you think the mushrooms are too bright/overpowering, then you can change those as you go along.... Obviously you don't have to saturate everything... But I still think the grass and cliffs and water look a whole lot better with bolder colors.

But I can see that you're stuck in one method of thinking so I'll let you discover it on your own... whenever that might be. Good luck with your faded out server. =P

(edit: I also find it interesting that you pointed out the mushrooms in particular... because all of the image was adjusted, not individual parts... which means your mushrooms aren't in good contrast/saturation to begin with)

Shakram 01-09-2007 05:40 AM

the only thing i say is that i dont like it so bright and with so much saturation
and i never said my tiles are to good for anything
but the thing you dont understand is that there is an other way to color tiles than in the classic way and i dont want it like this
and in my hole life i never saw any game in your kind of saturation and it hurts in the eyes when you see it in a whole lvl
and i must know what i do its sure the 30 recolor of this tileset it was dark shiney and all this things and in this color i use at the moment it looks the best
and this has nothing to do with being arrogant i only do it not in your way because i think it isnt right for this kind of tiles

Crono 01-09-2007 05:41 AM

shakram listen to konidias, it looks amazing when its nice and bright

Shakram 01-09-2007 05:45 AM

yeah i let you choose at the beginning between normal colors an konidias neon colors ;)
someone else want a color theme ? maybe black and white ?


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