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Ibonic 01-05-2007 07:31 PM

Should guilds with 0% activity be disbanded?
 
This is not a guarantee that they will or won't be, especially since I haven't fully discussed it with Unixmad yet. But I know some of you are complaining constantly about all of the inactive guilds, so I would like to know what the majority of your opinions are for this partial¹ solution.

{self-comment: It would be nice if we had some kind of global in-game voting system to cover more players, hmm...}

Anyway,
Do you think guilds with 0% activity should be disbanded?
If so, after how long? 2 weeks, a month, 6 months?


If this is implemented, I would like to have some kind of warning system in place so that the guild leader and other members have a chance at preventing it. I believe this has been suggested elsewhere in the forums.


Please keep in mind that I am aware of other guild issues and that I want to take care of them all in time, but this thread isn't meant to discuss them right now.
Let's try for one thing at a time and maybe they'll eventually get done.


¹ It's possible that in the future we could do something additional such as require a certain number of members to be on tag per month, which was also suggested. But again, one thing at a time for now.

Chris 01-05-2007 07:36 PM

After 1-2 months of inactivity.

Crono 01-05-2007 07:36 PM

So a guild with tons of history and such would get deleted?

I don't like this. :(

Crimson2005 01-05-2007 07:37 PM

1 month of inactivity :)

hampy 01-05-2007 07:38 PM

I vote yes, after 1 month of inactivity. But the leader of the guild should be told to sort it out after say 3 weeks

nikomi946 01-05-2007 07:54 PM

I would say a 6 month time frame since many who are in college and universities often have rather long absences but do return. Or there's that nasty addiction to other online games that often keep them away for awhile.

Ibonic 01-05-2007 08:09 PM

I guess maybe this also shouldn't apply if the guild leader has an active VIP (or Gold?) subscription.

Rufus 01-05-2007 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261337)
I guess maybe this also shouldn't apply if the guild leader has an active VIP (or Gold?) subscription.

Yes, that's perfect.

This would add function to VIP (ignore the Gold, in my opinion that's for different purposes).

Googi 01-05-2007 08:18 PM

How about giving us an explanation of what "0% activity" means? How inactive does a guild have to be for its activity to go to 0%?

kia345 01-05-2007 08:19 PM

no they shouldnt be disbanded...

for the same reason as crono, the historic guilds deserve to stay. RR, meep, all them guilds =(

Rufus 01-05-2007 08:21 PM

There are currently 334 guilds with 0% activity x_x

Minoc 01-05-2007 08:24 PM

%0 activity, after a month.
Old guilds (5 years or older) should stay regardless.

Luda 01-05-2007 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1261360)
%0 activity, after a month.
Old guilds (5 years or older) should stay regardless.

Yeah, I like that idea Minoc :]

Darlene159 01-05-2007 08:33 PM

yes, after 1 month of inactivity.

I would say that a guild leader should have another person to take over if they have to go away for an extended amount of time, if they care about the guild.

I also do not know if I agree that very old guilds should stay no matter what. Inactivity is inactivity.
Or , if the old guild is to stay, someone should be appointed acting leader, or something, to make it avtive again.

Minoc 01-05-2007 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1261370)
Or , if the old guild is to stay, someone should be appointed acting leader, or something, to make it avtive again.

If the guild has %0 of activity, who could be appointed leader?

Curt1zzle 01-05-2007 08:43 PM

I voted no, but I have no argument.

Chompy 01-05-2007 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1261370)
if the old guild is to stay, someone should be appointed acting leader, or something, to make it active again.

Well, would be hard to make 'paused' active again ( over 0%)
It is currently at -1619%

Well, I am not against it, but would be hard to keep old known guilds and such.. :(

Ibonic 01-05-2007 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chompy (Post 1261396)
Well, would be hard to make 'paused' active again ( over 0%)
It is currently at -1619%

...

That's its rating, the activity percentile is currently 4.2%

Chompy 01-05-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261399)
That's its rating, the activity percentile is currently 4.2%

hmm, my bad >_<

Ok, I agree now, with this :o

Crow 01-05-2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1261360)
%0 activity, after a month.
Old guilds (5 years or older) should stay regardless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1261347)
Yes, that's perfect.

This would add function to VIP (ignore the Gold, in my opinion that's for different purposes).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261337)
I guess maybe this also shouldn't apply if the guild leader has an active VIP (or Gold?) subscription.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hampy (Post 1261312)
I vote yes, after 1 month of inactivity. But the leader of the guild should be told to sort it out after say 3 weeks


<3

maximus_asinus 01-05-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson2005 (Post 1261311)
1 month of inactivity :)

I agree, one month is plenty of time.
Quote:

Originally Posted by hampy (Post 1261312)
I vote yes, after 1 month of inactivity. But the leader of the guild should be told to sort it out after say 3 weeks

Possibly an e-mail, or even an NPC server notification, with the warning.
Quote:

Originally Posted by nikomi946 (Post 1261323)
I would say a 6 month time frame since many who are in college and universities often have rather long absences but do return. Or there's that nasty addiction to other online games that often keep them away for awhile.

If the ENTIRE guild is away to University... well, I don't know, that just sounds so stupid. Disban the guild.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261337)
I guess maybe this also shouldn't apply if the guild leader has an active VIP (or Gold?) subscription.

No, everyone should be effected, they are neglecting/ignoring their guild, and just burdening the guild system having inactive guilds.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1261360)
%0 activity, after a month.
Old guilds (5 years or older) should stay regardless.

I agree, and disagree. I'd love to see them stay, it serves as a reminder to old times, but at the same time I want everyone to be treated equally, and if the guilds were allowed to die out completely, they should finish the cycle and be disbanned. Maybe an immunity list, once old guilds like this are disbanned, they are not allowed to be remade?

Crono 01-05-2007 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1261370)
I would say that a guild leader should have another person to take over if they have to go away for an extended amount of time, if they care about the guild..

i dont think guilds should be policed like this...

Triple_Darkness 01-05-2007 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1261419)
i dont think guilds should be policed like this...

It help's finding what guild that's active that you want to join instead of looking though ton's of unactive guild's which make's it quite harder to find what your working for and becuase more than half of those page's are filled with 0% activity...1 Month is good yes

Darlene159 01-05-2007 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1261377)
If the guild has %0 of activity, who could be appointed leader?

Good point, then it should be removed like any other guild. What is the sense of having a guild with 0 activity?

Triple_Darkness 01-05-2007 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1261377)
If the guild has %0 of activity, who could be appointed leader?

Maybe the person that has the most activity? if the Leader hasnt don anything about the guild in a month. The most Active person in that guild become's Guild Leader (if VIP) and if it doesnt work in a few week's it is therefore disbaned?
[edit]It has it around what 10 maybe 5 for it to stay living? and if it git's 0 again its disbaned?[/edit]

Darlene159 01-05-2007 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple_Darkness (Post 1261447)
Maybe the person that has the most activity? and if it doesnt work in a week it is therefore disbaneded

lol, the point was alread made there if there is 0 activity, then there is 0 activity. x_x

Chompy 01-05-2007 10:38 PM

hmm, what if the guild just barely makes like 0.1% - 0.2% and it won't be disbaneded.. that sounds weird :o

WanDaMan 01-05-2007 10:44 PM

If I were the only one still wearing my tag on & off - would my guild be removed?

Triple_Darkness 01-05-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WanDaMan (Post 1261455)
If I were the only one still wearing my tag on & off - would my guild be removed?

If the Activity isnt 0 and is like 0.1 then no it wouldn't :O

WanDaMan 01-05-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple_Darkness (Post 1261456)
If the Activity isnt 0 and is like 0.1 then no it wouldn't :O


Ok, fair enough. Is the % of activity determined by the number of people within the guild?

Ibonic 01-05-2007 10:55 PM

Quote:

'Activity Percentile' (AP) is simply the percentage of Guild members that had put on the Guild Tag at least once within the past week (7 days). The value is rounded to one decimal.

Example: Your Guild has 48 members. 38 of them were online in the past 7 days and each had the Guild Tag on. Your Guild's AP would be: (38 / 48) x 100% = 79.2%
It should be extremely easy to keep a guild's activity > 0%; even one person can do it. So really this would only get rid of guilds that nobody (in the guild) seems to care about. In a way it makes me feel we should go by a higher percentage, but at least 0% is a start.

WanDaMan 01-05-2007 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261462)
It should be extremely easy to keep a guild's activity > 0%; even one person can do it. So really this would only get rid of guilds that nobody (in the guild) seems to care about. In a way it makes me feel we should go by a higher percentage, but at least 0% is a start.

Thanks for those figures! I'm not a huge fan of any of this; the majority of people within my guild have left graal. I believe you should take in to consideration the ammount of people in the guild before you disbanden it aswell as several other key factors before you delete it because of it being inactive.

Darlene159 01-05-2007 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibonic (Post 1261462)
It should be extremely easy to keep a guild's activity > 0%; even one person can do it. So really this would only get rid of guilds that nobody (in the guild) seems to care about. In a way it makes me feel we should go by a higher percentage, but at least 0% is a start.

Totally agree.

Devil 01-06-2007 12:23 AM

I really hope we don't see good guilds with an awesome history go down the drain.

Darlene159 01-06-2007 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1261497)
I really hope we don't see good guilds with an awesome history go down the drain.

History isn't worth squat if no one is wearing their tags in the guild.
If it were removed, maybe someone could remake it...I know it wouldn't be the same, but it is better then a completely dead guild.

Infernix 01-06-2007 12:34 AM

I voted Yes but then thought about ACT...and I wouldnt want that disbanned.

Triple_Darkness 01-06-2007 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1261497)
I really hope we don't see good guilds with an awesome history go down the drain.

Plus to what Darlene said If it was THAT great then it wouldn't be forgotten in our Heart's. DUHHHH

Devil 01-06-2007 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1261503)
History isn't worth squat if no one is wearing their tags in the guild.
If it were removed, maybe someone could remake it...I know it wouldn't be the same, but it is better then a completely dead guild.

I wouldn't want some newb bringing back Legend. It would totally defeat the purpose of how many people are left in it, and who was in it, for those reasons.


To the post above me, it isn't about forgotten guilds, it's about members growing up and leaving graal.

Triple_Darkness 01-06-2007 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1261513)
I wouldn't want some newb bringing back Legend. It would totally defeat the purpose of how many people are left in it, and who was in it, for those reasons.


To the post above me, it isn't about forgotten guilds, it's about members growing up and leaving graal.

What you're basicly saying is that "Guild's that's been with Graal for a long time and now its going to deleted and the hisory of that _____ (name here) will be lost and forgotten" and if you dont want noob's making it over well as what you have to in Life is to Deal about it

Devil 01-06-2007 12:49 AM

Please don't write posts to me, unless you can put some intelligence into them.

I know exactly what is going on, I _REALLY_ could care less if every guild were deleted.


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