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Fogles 09-26-2005 01:56 AM

Unholy Nation
 
I'm here to talk about the massive playerworld known as Unholy Nation
(UN). In the recent months, UN has declining in the status of a playerworld.

The new UN, meaning the new overworld has been released for months and
nothing new has been developed. In addition, many new staff teams have
been formed which doesn't allow an efficient team to continue with
development. With the addition of the new staff teams, most favor staff which
leads to corruption.

The only new thing that has been developed and released on UN is a new
spar center. It's not that much since it's just a re-make of levels and not all of
UN can enjoy it, as trials can't enter it anyways. All the plans that were made
before the release of the new overworld, where are they? I haven't seen the
plans released.

So I'm wondering, how come no one else is talking about this? How come
no one else is giving comments or suggestions? How come no one is
taking care of these problems?

UN needs to start giving comments and suggestions! I don't want to see this
massive playerworld we all play on just die.

Thanks, Fogles.

NeoJenova 09-26-2005 02:07 AM

lol

Luciano 09-26-2005 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoJenova
lol

lol so tru


Wait, wasn't this thread to show you that it's not -- Oh nevermind. You don't get it.

shogunmu 09-26-2005 02:18 AM

Wow what does this kid know?

NeoJenova 09-26-2005 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciano
l
Wait, wasn't this thread to show you that it's not -- Oh nevermind. You don't get it.


lolx2

protagonist 09-26-2005 05:27 AM

UN probably won't die. Most players don't even care about the whole staff thing anymore, since being a staff is pretty boring.

Mykel 09-26-2005 07:28 AM

rofl

napo_p2p 09-26-2005 07:29 AM

lmao

Corp1 09-26-2005 09:16 AM

ROFL...


PS- I dont like the new spar, :( especially the 3 person bug that makes it lag worse.

Luda 09-26-2005 05:05 PM

I rule

xAndrewx 09-26-2005 06:14 PM

At least take this into consideration. About 4 people have reported about UN. Is someone going to look into it?

PrinceDark 09-26-2005 07:43 PM

Trial accounts can't spar? Then I guess there's nothing else to do on graal for them besides Cyber. oh well.

Fogles 09-26-2005 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xAndrewx
At least take this into consideration. About 4 people have reported about UN. Is someone going to look into it?


My point.

Crono 09-26-2005 09:12 PM

Nobody cares, UN has the most players and for some reason it's still had it for years. I suspect it's because it's the biggest GRAAL server. By GRAAL I mean it's not some RPing server, Valikorlia Rip off, more-modern type server, semi-modern, etc.

It has the most Graal feel to it. Although I think UN is a load of cow **** none of us can make fun of it until its no longer #1 on the playerlist.

Fogles 09-27-2005 12:20 AM

So your basing this situations on your opinion? I think you should rethink that whole comment.

Mykel 09-27-2005 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogles
So your basing this situations on your opinion? I think you should rethink that whole comment.

A completely new overworld was just recently (sorta) added to a server that already had the highest playercount. The fact is, nothing had to be done at all, and something was. Take it easy.

Jared 09-27-2005 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogles
I'm here to talk about the massive playerworld known as Unholy Nation
(UN). In the recent months, UN has declining in the status of a playerworld.

The new UN, meaning the new overworld has been released for months and
nothing new has been developed. In addition, many new staff teams have
been formed which doesn't allow an efficient team to continue with
development. With the addition of the new staff teams, most favor staff which
leads to corruption.

The only new thing that has been developed and released on UN is a new
spar center. It's not that much since it's just a re-make of levels and not all of
UN can enjoy it, as trials can't enter it anyways. All the plans that were made
before the release of the new overworld, where are they? I haven't seen the
plans released.

So I'm wondering, how come no one else is talking about this? How come
no one else is giving comments or suggestions? How come no one is
taking care of these problems?

UN needs to start giving comments and suggestions! I don't want to see this
massive playerworld we all play on just die.

Thanks, Fogles.

There's nothing wrong with UN. It has the most players by far 24/7, the least corrupt staff, and one of the two most vibrant sparring communities. There is currently no server that could even begin to surpass it in player count. Even if people did stop playing, it's not like they would just disappear. They would move on to another server and there would be nothing wrong with that. From the perspective of the owners (Stefan and unixmad), people leaving UN or any other classic server could only be a positive thing, as some of those people might decide to purchase gold accounts to play on one of those servers instead. I like UN as it is. Drastic changes would at best accomplish very little in expanding the player base of UN (which I doubt is even a priority for the owners), and at worst would prove to be disastrous for the server (take Classic for example). Stop pretending there's a problem when there isn't.

Also, trials shouldn't be allowed to enter the sparring arena, as a large majority of them aren't versed in the proper sparring etiquette (meaning they will interrupt spars constantly), they will keep the real sparrers from being able to spar each other, and they will also lag the people who are really trying to spar. The spar arena is much better than the previous one, although I think it could still be better.

It's apparent from your post that you're either very young or very retarded, so let the big(ger) boys handle it, ok?

Chris 09-27-2005 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xAndrewx
At least take this into consideration. About 4 people have reported about UN. Is someone going to look into it?

4? Oh man, I remember a new thread being made weekly back in the day, when Psyker PWA and forum mod, about UN. UN has probably had the most problems for a Graal server, yet somehow manages to keep a high player count. Crazy? Bet your ass it is.

Tukuya_Chan 09-29-2005 08:16 PM

UN is fine the way it is. If you see that UN is the server with the most playercount during the day, then by all means, that should say something. If you wanna do something about UN, then go ahead?

Lolz

MysticX2X 09-29-2005 10:54 PM

he's just mad because he isn't staff anymore.

Tukuya_Chan 09-30-2005 01:31 AM

Oh I see. In that case...



ROFL

Luigi1 09-30-2005 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami
It has the most Graal feel to it.

Graal isn't exactly synonymous with just "chatroom"

napo_p2p 09-30-2005 08:02 AM

UN was noob central way back when (it probably still is now, but I haven't really been on, so I don't know).

I would still be there sparring every now and then, but I only have 3 hearts and a level 1 sword (and I'm too lazy to do all the quests over for a third or fourth time) >:O. My 50k kills and 500 deaths in under 120 hours are all for nothing :(

Meph 09-30-2005 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by napo_p2p
UN was noob central way back when (it probably still is now, but I haven't really been on, so I don't know).

Still is.
Events are what make it tolerable.
Quote:

Originally Posted by napo_p2p
I would still be there sparring every now and then, but I only have 3 hearts and a level 1 sword (and I'm too lazy to do all the quests over for a third or fourth time) >:O. My 50k kills and 500 deaths in under 120 hours are all for nothing :(

Quests don't take any time.
Within an hour of onlinetime I had all heart quests and all four dojos completed.

excaliber7388 09-30-2005 09:10 PM

UN = WALMART! Offers cheap stuff that drives un-educated people wild XD

DarkFireXZ3 09-30-2005 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protagonist
UN probably won't die. Most players don't even care about the whole staff thing anymore, since being a staff is pretty boring.

Honestly that is true, It bored me to the point i couldn't even look at the name without wanting to sleep.

Malinko 09-30-2005 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogles
I'm here to talk about the massive playerworld known as Unholy Nation
(UN). In the recent months, UN has declinisng in the status of a playerworld.

The new UN, meaning the new overworld has been released for months and
nothing new has been developed. In addition, many new staff teams have
been formed which doesn't alslow an efficient team to continue with
development. With the addition of the new staff teams, most favor staff which
leads to corruption.

The only new thing that has been developed and released on UN is a new
spar center. It's not that much since it's just a re-make of levels and not all of
UN can enjoy it, as trials can't enter it anyways. All the plans that were made
before the release of the new overworld, where are they? I haven't seen the
plans released.

So I'm wondering, how come no one else is talking about this? How come
no one else is giving comments or suggestions? How come no one is
taking care of these problems?

UN needs to start giving comments and suggestions! I don't want to see this
massive playerworld we all play on just die.

Thanks, Fogles.

Finally, someone is brave enough to report a problem such as this in a public manner.
Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoJenova
lol

Clearly what you always reply to when a situation is brought about. I'm surprised you didn't say, "o well".
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciano
lol so tru


Wait, wasn't this thread to show you that it's not -- Oh nevermind. You don't get it.

Hah. <3!
Quote:

Originally Posted by shogunmu
Wow what does this kid know?

What do you know? You're the Gani Administrator on Unholy Nation, you should realize what someone is talking about or at least relate to it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoJenova
lolx2

Refer to the last quote.
Quote:

Originally Posted by protagonist
UN probably won't die. Most players don't even care about the whole staff thing anymore, since being a staff is pretty boring.

Notice the playercount is slightly declining. If you wish to know further information about this, you can contact me with playercount logs with an average.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykel
rofl

+1 Post for you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by napo_p2p
lmao

I say the same towards Aeon.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corp1
ROFL...


PS- I dont like the new spar, :( especially the 3 person bug that makes it lag worse.

New spar? That's barely something you can call, "new". It's just a re-make of levels.

With the three person bug/glitch you have found, maybe you can report it to someone to fix it?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luda
I rule

+1 Post for you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by xAndrewx
At least take this into consideration. About 4 people have reported about UN. Is someone going to look into it?

Thank you for being serious on the situation.
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceDark
Trial accounts can't spar? Then I guess there's nothing else to do on graal for them besides Cyber. oh well.

Quit promoting bad things, Criminal X! <3!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami
Nobody cares, UN has the most players and for some reason it's still had it for years. I suspect it's because it's the biggest GRAAL server. By GRAAL I mean it's not some RPing server, Valikorlia Rip off, more-modern type server, semi-modern, etc.

It has the most Graal feel to it. Although I think UN is a load of cow **** none of us can make fun of it until its no longer #1 on the playerlist.

Nobody cares? Well, one person is caring right now. I'm sure there would be a lot of people if people came out and said what he/she feels about Unholy Nation. Well, when people come to GraalOnline, I suspect when seeing Unholy Nation with the most amount of players, he/she goes to the playerworld since that's what MMORPG are all about.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogles
So your basing this situations on your opinion? I think you should rethink that whole comment.

Thank you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykel
A completely new overworld was just recently (sorta) added to a server that already had the highest playercount. The fact is, nothing had to be done at all, and something was. Take it easy.

The new overworld was release between May and June. Since then, no new development content has been released. Plans have been made, though no further worked showed upon and no plans released to players. Maybe just, "WAIT A FEW WEEKS AND YOU WILL SEE!" Though, it's been months. We're waiting.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared
There's nothing wrong with UN. It has the most players by far 24/7, the least corrupt staff, and one of the two most vibrant sparring communities. There is currently no server that could even begin to surpass it in player count. Even if people did stop playing, it's not like they would just disappear. They would move on to another server and there would be nothing wrong with that. From the perspective of the owners (Stefan and unixmad), people leaving UN or any other classic server could only be a positive thing, as some of those people might decide to purchase gold accounts to play on one of those servers instead. I like UN as it is. Drastic changes would at best accomplish very little in expanding the player base of UN (which I doubt is even a priority for the owners), and at worst would prove to be disastrous for the server (take Classic for example). Stop pretending there's a problem when there isn't.

Also, trials shouldn't be allowed to enter the sparring arena, as a large majority of them aren't versed in the proper sparring etiquette (meaning they will interrupt spars constantly), they will keep the real sparrers from being able to spar each other, and they will also lag the people who are really trying to spar. The spar arena is much better than the previous one, although I think it could still be better.

It's apparent from your post that you're either very young or very retarded, so let the big(ger) boys handle it, ok?

"Let's all warp to TownCenter while I trap you all in present boxes so you can't move! HAHAHA! THIS ISN'T CORRUPT! I AM JUST HAVING FUN!"
If you know what I'm talking about, good for you, if not, then don't speak because you clearly do not play Unholy Nation to know what you are speaking of.

Trials are players too. GraalOnline trial accounts were designed to have new players know what GraalOnline has as its features to encourage upgrading. Preventing trials from doing things is quite illogical.

Your last paragraph wasn't needed. Please use the edit button and remove it. Gosh, learn to discuss.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris
4? Oh man, I remember a new thread being made weekly back in the day, when Psyker PWA and forum mod, about UN. UN has probably had the most problems for a Graal server, yet somehow manages to keep a high player count. Crazy? Bet your ass it is.

LOL! I REMEMBER ONE DAY, AT BAND CAMP!
Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticX2X
he's just mad because he isn't staff anymore.

That's all I can see you say when you send mass messages on Unholy Nation. You're just mad since no one listens to you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by napo_p2p
UN was noob central way back when (it probably still is now, but I haven't really been on, so I don't know).

I would still be there sparring every now and then, but I only have 3 hearts and a level 1 sword (and I'm too lazy to do all the quests over for a third or fourth time) >:O. My 50k kills and 500 deaths in under 120 hours are all for nothing :(

Does that make your lips hurt real bad?
Quote:

Originally Posted by excaliber7388
UN = WALMART! Offers cheap stuff that drives un-educated people wild XD

Your mom goes to college.

I bet she's educated.


Anyways, maybe when I have the time, I'll post additional information about this playerworld, Unholy Nation, and tell you what I feel and see within it. I'll give you detailed reports as well. At least I can discuss this in a logical manner with prove of facts and statistics. Therefore, if you do not know what you are talking about, please do not post here. Thanks.

Okilian 09-30-2005 11:03 PM

Malinko seemingly keeps me entertained whenever he posts. He is..of course the all wise knowing one of everything happening with UN. Wait, no he's not. But then again, neither am I, or anyone else. But certain people know from their own sources (credible or not...that's to be determined) what has happened, and how it was handled.

I will wait and see what Malinko has to say all about UN. Of course, we could always have our great discussions over AIM, but where is the fun in that?

Malinko 10-01-2005 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okilian
Malinko seemingly keeps me entertained whenever he posts. He is..of course the all wise knowing one of everything happening with UN. Wait, no he's not. But then again, neither am I, or anyone else. But certain people know from their own sources (credible or not...that's to be determined) what has happened, and how it was handled.

I will wait and see what Malinko has to say all about UN. Of course, we could always have our great discussions over AIM, but where is the fun in that?

You don't know my AOL Instant Messenger screen name even. :)

SuperSlayer90 10-01-2005 02:32 AM

+1 for Malinko.
He is leading all of you by 58 in common sense points.

NeoJenova 10-01-2005 02:38 AM

lol :cool:

NeoJenova 10-01-2005 02:58 AM

Ok on a serious note.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malinko
Finally, someone is brave enough to report a problem such as this in a public manner.

Or someone ignorant enough...

Quote:

Clearly what you always reply to when a situation is brought about. I'm surprised you didn't say, "o well".
No I was really afraid of being reported for harassment, being he is one of your friends and all.

Quote:

Notice the playercount is slightly declining. If you wish to know further information about this, you can contact me with playercount logs with an average.
Your comparing a summer playercount with a school year playercount, think logically.

Quote:

New spar? That's barely something you can call, "new". It's just a re-make of levels.
New middle spar
3 New spar rooms
Introduce a New monthly tourney with the spar lobby.

Just to help you recognize what is new about the new spar lobby.

Quote:

The new overworld was release between May and June. Since then, no new development content has been released. Plans have been made, though no further worked showed upon and no plans released to players. Maybe just, "WAIT A FEW WEEKS AND YOU WILL SEE!" Though, it's been months. We're waiting.
Yeah thanks for all your uhh... wait no, thanks for everything you didn't contribute to the development of Unholy Nation. I'm sure the players gain plenty of use out of the Artanis and Malinko Mansion you gave yourself. Its about all you really provided UN with in your stay there.

Quote:

"Let's all warp to TownCenter while I trap you all in present boxes so you can't move! HAHAHA! THIS ISN'T CORRUPT! I AM JUST HAVING FUN!"
If you know what I'm talking about, good for you, if not, then don't speak because you clearly do not play Unholy Nation to know what you are speaking of.
Yeah, that was fun, you seemed to be the only person who thought it was "OMG HARASSMENT LEAVE ME ALONE YOUR HURTING ME"


Quote:

Anyways, maybe when I have the time, I'll post additional information about this playerworld, Unholy Nation, and tell you what I feel and see within it. I'll give you detailed reports as well. At least I can discuss this in a logical manner with prove of facts and statistics. Therefore, if you do not know what you are talking about, please do not post here. Thanks.
Please make time to post more information.

Also there has been plenty of development on UN since the overworld has been released, but you'd have to actually play UN to know that. I see nothing but blind hatred because UN is not what people consider "OMG QUALITY GAMING MATERIAL AND IS #1 ON THE PLAYERLIST" all I say is keep hating its motivation.

Our economy was what kept us on top and it is what I am re-creating now, it was previously destroyed by hackers. We have already created some better versions of jobs but I refuse to give a release date on anything because good help is hard to find.

Fogles 10-02-2005 05:11 PM

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Pking on tag..rofl...

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Staff sparpking, and abusing a glitch..uh oh.

Crono 10-02-2005 05:58 PM

You act like you're surprised, Fogles.

NeoJenova 10-02-2005 07:40 PM

PKing on tag on UN is not illegal, it gives the staff member no advantage.

AlexFiery isn't even staff.

Next please.

Lance 10-02-2005 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoJenova
PKing on tag on UN is not illegal, it gives the staff member no advantage.

Except for the whole "That's a global rule" thing.
Or, at least, it always used to be.
It goes hand in hand with the "Don't PK staff that are on tag" thing.

Wormx2 10-02-2005 08:06 PM

Whats funnier is UN staff being banned on NPulse for speed hacking.

When you say it has a large sparring community, the only thing I can see out of UN is about five people who know how to spar well, and the rest are 1400 raters who are pretty easy. UN's sparring community isn't that big of a challenge. In the Monthly Spar Tourney, you never lose to it's sparring community, you lose to about five people differen't people, or you beat five differen't people who are actualy threats to beating you. UN's sparring community is by far the worst compared to other servers, past and present. The rest of them do what Fogles showed - they try and spar PK rate, run from spars, etc. This is why I have, mostly, stopped sparring there. It's pretty pointless.

My opinion on the staff issues is that some of the staff don't care about players. What I mean by this, is that they usually ignore people like, "King Chrono [looking for g/f]" or "Blzin' kid 666" because their trial accounts, or people deemed idiots by the staff. The PKing on tag is against the rules as Tseng has pointed out. And, I remember UN RC as being one big chat-room. Only two or three people were actually doing something productive towards the "New UN" project. This is why people like Ajira quit. He was the only scripter besides (Whats his name. Ex-Head NAT) and they both quit since they were doing all the work. So, they can ignore players, PK and Spar on tag, and not work, but not be corrupt?

I boycotted UN for awhile. I think I'll keep it up. 'Siddes, this is only my opinion.

NeoJenova 10-02-2005 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance
Except for the whole "That's a global rule" thing.
Or, at least, it always used to be.

Where is this written and why is it a rule?

If we really didn't want pking between staff on tag and player we'd script something stopping it.

Quote:

It goes hand in hand with the "Don't PK staff that are on tag" thing.
Which was also not a rule followed on UN, most ETs host "kill me" events and usually stay on tag while running around UN pking players and getting pk'd, just seems like an rule uneccesary of global recognition and forced upon playerworlds.

punkyx 10-02-2005 08:36 PM

If you're unhappy with Unholy Nation or the playerworld you play on, visit N-Pulse!

We just released a new halloween version, and are adding new halloween stuff almost daily! There will be tons of events! Come on over!

Fogles 10-02-2005 09:38 PM

I would if i was unbanned.


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